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i just started downloading "closer" and listened to the first 3 tracks. god damn this is horrible. how can anyone like this? i guess i can appreciate the creativity and the songwriting, but jesus does it sound terrible. the singer sounds like jim morrison only bad, and the production makes my had hurt. maybe if someone else performed this material it could sound better, but i can't stand to listen to this anymore. can someone explain to me why this is enjoyable to listen to? |
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Blasphemy! |
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makes my *head hurt |
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I know what you mean... too much of their music would drive a person to hang themselves. |
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"how can anyone like this? maybe if someone else performed this material it could sound better" Are you fucking kidding? Joy Division are fucking legends. If you hate Joy Division you hate yourself! |
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Let's get over-excited here. I like their music, but I can certainly see that it's not for everybody. |
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to each his own, but luminous is a tad harsh in the way he put it. (for joy division fans:) |
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Sorry. I got over-excited. I just think their music is brilliant, and has influenced a lot of other artists. LuminousAphid: Have a rest, and try listening some more tomorrow. |
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I agree about giving them a second chance. The first time I listened to them I didn't like them, but I downloaded all their stuff and gave it a second try, and really liked it. |
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I know where you're going wrong, you miserable fucking cunt, it starts here " i just started downloading "closer" and listened to the first 3 tracks. " Oh good for you, you've downloaded something, half listened to it, and trashed it. If you're interested in them, buy a fucking album. If you're like "wooah dude, what's all the fuss about Joy Division, download.. skip.. download.. skip... oh.. I don't even know what I've downloaded... THEY'RE RUBBISH" No, you are a cunt, you are rubbish. I could no more explain to you why they're one of the only good bands ever to form a fucking band, than I could find the time to describe what a cunt you are. |
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If only someone genuinely talented and original like the Flashbuld would take their crude material, and fuck it up for your fucking miserable ears and brain. |
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The Eternal, Heart and Soul, Means to an end... don't make me come and put them up your arse. |
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haha, i agree on some points there. I mean Closer is an absolutely amazing album. This culture of downloading music, especially individual tracks promotes a desire for instant gratification, when an album like this should be listened to attentively, lyrics, atmosphere, mood... you just don't get any of that when you download a couple of tracks and listen to them on your computer while your doing whatever else you are doing. |
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i wouldn't bother, they're not for 'everyone' ;) |
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If ever there was an "album" album it is Closer. Well done to new bands now that, due to market pressures, have to cram their whole raison d'etre into the first 2 seconds of any of their songs, for fear of losing any of their witless audience all of which have ADD. Closer came out in 1980, 19..fucking..80. 26 cunting years ago. And it's still powerful, moving, unmatched... atmospheric, post punk, pop, poetry.. "Ohh I downloaded three tracks and WTF ?? LOL ..." FUCK YOU, honestly, fuck you and your barren piss life. |
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I hate 'everyone'. |
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"dog_belch: Buddhist Monk" (2006) |
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"dog_belch: Buddhist cunt" (2006) |
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it took me a bit to get into joy divison but now i absolutely love them. some stuff takes a bit of time if you're not used to its aesthetic. have a few listens to it all, let it marinate a little for a few days, go back if you feel the attraction. not much else to do, is there? |
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ha, maybe closer to the truth :P dog_belch II: Redemption Day (2007) (TV) |
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All the things you don't like about the album (Emo Curtis' grim warbling , the minimalist playing, the rough production) are all part of the appeal, so this just isn't your thing. You suck. Just kidding. But the album most definitely does not suck. |
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One of my favourite bands. They sound more melancholic than depressing to me. |
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Hi Jay, I got a pretty groovy John Lennon torrent; have you heard it? It's like 8 discs of his home recordings. |
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Like Leonard Cohen, who's melancholic and beautifully melodic rather than the facile "Depressing and Dreary" which he's criminally labelled as... I was disgusted to read that his Greatest Hits album had been voted as The Most Depressing Album ever by some shitty magazine... like a Take That album isn't a more depressing listen?? |
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sounds good - are they actually good? |
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It's understandable...I've never been able to get into Closer too much, but Unknown Pleasures on the other hand.... |
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Obviously I haven't listened to them all, but most of the ones I've listened to so far have been.. a lot of interesting demos which ended up different... like a version of Starting Over which had a different name and different lyrics. Worth the big download I'd say. |
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I don't have much Lennon solo-era bootleg stuff, so nah. I do have the Lennon Anthology and there's some good stuff sprinkled in there, so I'm interested... |
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And yeah, Cohen made/makes beautiful music. Depressing my butt. I have to pull over to the side of the road when Suzanne comes on the radio. |
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Shit, not too much to say after dog_delch, he seems to have covered it all...but I'd just like to state on a purely musically level--just notes being played, either from instruments or vocally, not all the hype that comes with bands--Joy Division created songs that literate musicians only wish they could. There's actual counterpoint between the bass and guitar. Hook's bass work is amazing if not genius at times. It perfectly completements Sumner's lousy guitar playing and Ian's simple but effective vocal melodies. All the parts each of the band members offer is unique alone, but put togehter they shine beautifully. I'm not much into "worshipping" popular music much, but this band has my devotion fisrt on a musical level then comes Ian's lyrics which just makes it all something undeniably great. Undeniably great. |
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I just have heard She's Lost Control Again, I was planning on buying the album it's on but it's not Closer |
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haha, funny guy |
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i think you have some issues yourself if you get that riled up if i insult your little band. and i almost always listen to entire albums, but when i listen to the first half of the album (i did listen past the first 3, but not long) and it's that terrible, i don't really feel like bothering with the rest. but i guess you can keep feeling good about yourself for how much you can insult me for not liking it. have fun, i still think their music sucks cocks. big ones. |
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idiot |
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i could understand if you were talking about the happy mondays |
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listen to atmosphere, shadow play, love will tear us apart, shes lost control etc.. it's also martin hannets production that was innovative. basically you cant form a very fair opinion of a band on 3 songs - thats what lead me to believe autechre were shite for about 6 months until i delved deeper. |
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Great band, but they really do make me depressed. |
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Thanks for clearing that up, I look forward to ignoring any future, uninformed opinions on any subject you'll doubtless incontinently feel obliged to share with us. |
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luuuuve, luve willll tear usss apart.....again |
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congs to ezkerraldean for making a follower |
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i'm sorry, i wasn't aware that i need to be "informed" in order to form opinions on whether i like or don't like the sound of someone's music. i definately won't keep that in mind. by the way, i still think it sound like shit. |
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i'm sorry, i wasn't aware that i need to be "informed" in order to form opinions... Well, here's the news, and you may have to sit down to receive it. OF COURSE YOU FUCKING DO. |
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so i am required to know something other than what music sounds like in order to know if i like the sound? |
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You need to know at least what the music sounds like, not just skip through a couple of tracks. Fucking hell. No, you needn't have a degree in Pop History. If I listen to something wholly derivative YES I can make a snap decision because it's like reading musical shorthand. If I listen to something that's different, unique, new, unfamiliar, I might have to give it a few goes before I'd fire up the Internet and say something as fucking stupid as "hey, downloaded the first three tracks, lol, wtf?? This is shit" |
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context? |
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I'd love to know who you think should perform this material so it sounds "better"? I'd love to know which artist I should trade in all my original old Joy Division records for? I wonder who I should get into once I've got shot of those useless fucking horrible Joy Division albums, flexi discs and singles? Who would it be that's "better"? Some shitty American pisstake band calling themselves punk? Some half arsed 10 generations too late emo band? Some ghastly Canadian, po-faced, humourless, irony free Electronica act? A Doors tribute band? |
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fuck off |
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joy divison only has like 3 or 4 good songs. none on Closer. closer IS a pile of shit album. i really dont understand how anyone likes that shit either. no disrespect to ian curtis but new order is SO much better. most of the other "post punk" albums from that era blow joy division away. the only band i can think of that overall sucked more than joy division is Magazine. |
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i bet you all like magazine though |
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Magazine is indeed very mediocre. But a few of their songs have really Mega-Man-ish melodies. That's about the only remarkable thing about them though. |
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