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if you rread the thrread you'll see you'rre just adding things that he hasn't actually sharred with us. and i'm sorrrry forr not knowing him perrsonally orr anything. |
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it is. stop making excuses and just stop smoking. |
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It's nothing to do with me knowing him personally and you not. I'm adding things that he has shared with us in other threads. That's why I said cf the thread he made about it. He mentioned his worries about smoking in mimi's post what you are worrying about thread- http://xltronic.com/mb/91440 and he mentioned his sleeping problems in donna simpson's SLEEP thread- http://xltronic.com/mb/91440 among others. |
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svalx and anus_presley shall receive full and ample replies in due course |
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You have to sober up first? |
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quitting smoking is not as easy as you make it sound. you've never been a smoker (as fas as i can tell) so you're hardly an expert on the subject. i've quit many times, for long periods of time, and i was also telling people, oh it's so easy. yap yap. but it's not. i'm back on the wagon again, i console myself by telling myself at least it'snot the 20 a day you used to go through. oh. why. *brain fart* |
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bullocks. I bet if I started smoking I could quit straight away. that quitting is hard is just something you've been told by everyone around you. it started when someone figured out smoking was bad for you and the people who didn't want to quit made up some excuse about it being hard to quit. otherwise, it'd be weird how people who haven't been exposed to the notion that it's hard to quit don't find it hard to quit. japanese people, for instance, are great at quitting smoking; some start when they are young to be "cool," but they've only ever seen the image of the smoke and not the "oh, it's so hard to quit" part of it, so when they grow up they just stop smoking and that's that. |
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Agree 100% |
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total bullshit. of course you could quit straight away if you "started smoking". you'd not be addicted yet. it's an addiction like any other, and while i'll agree that the withdrawal symptoms of quitting are slightly exaggerated in public culture, it isn't an easy thing to quit. you don't know what you're talking up, so please politely shut the fuck up. |
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*talking about |
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no, sorry, the bullshit is dripping from your nicotine infested lip. I've talked to people who quit smoking straight away, and they said they were kind of expecting that they'd feel sick and depressed, etc, but then when they quit they didn't really feel anything special. I'd say the symptoms aren't only slightly exaggerated, but rather completely 100% fiction, and if you just tried quitting RIGHT NOW, Drop the smoke and never buy another, never smoke another, you wouldn't notice anything but a more pleasant body odor and better health unless you've already smoked so much that the damage is irreversible. |
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nicotine addiction. 100% fiction. that just about says it all. |
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You've never tried quitting smoking though? How can you possibly know what youre talking about? i agree with redrum, it isnt quite the same as its made out to be but its not very easy. its not about withdrawal symptoms and feeling ill for most people, its just really really really wanting a cigarette. indeed people use the excuse that its hard to quit to cover up their disappointment or shame when they go back to smoking. Ive quit a few months ago, cold turkey from a habit of a few a day, but its not just one decision to not smoke, its constantly having to decide you won't have a ciggy, occasionally it seems like a terrible decision |
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I've had that a few times, your dick becomes a flump (for those who don't know it's a cylindrical marshmallow)... if you can manage to get it in it hardens up enough to do the job, though. As I said on a thread Anus started the other day, I used to drink on my own all the time and it sucked. One of those things, though. I still drink on my own sometimes but nowhere nere as much as I used to. I'm drinking now, but I'm broke and can't go out and I found some booze in the fridge from Thursday. Plus it's a Sunday! |
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I've never tried quitting smoking, no, and I probably never will 'cause I'll never start.. not even to prove smokers wrong, but that doesn't mean I can't make observations about it. how can the urge for something as specific as a cigarette be a result of a biological dependancy? It can't; your body doesn't know what a cigarette is. Thus, this dependancy is psychological, and anything psychological is, though possibly quite powerful, easily defeated if you just set your mind to it (a determined mind is more powerful than a some undetermined urge). The mere fact that anyone at all has ever quit smoking and that some of the people I talked to quit cold turkey without any particular discomfort plus the fact that people who don't "know" that nicotine is addicting can quit without even giving it any though is proof enough that all those who, in spite of a desire to quit smoking, still can't are just not determined enough. Determination is very very cheap and not something reserved for "special" people; it doesn't take much effort, and once it's there, you'll understand how easy what you're determined to do (at least in this case) really is. also, guess what: if you're going to quit smoking, the most helpful aid you can get is *drum roll* NOT nicotine patches NOT nicotine gum NOT ..eh.. other drugs THAT'S RIGHT! ENCOURAGEMENT FROM FRIENDS and A DETERMINED MIND! *trumpet fanfare* redrum: the nicotine addiction isn't 100% fiction, but the purported difficulties with quitting are. |
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you're talking out your fucking arse. nobody said it was a biological dependency. that doesn't mean it's easy to give up. yes, all you need is determination. the only problem is, you have no fucking clue how much determination it takes, or how difficult it is to stop smoking 20-40 cigarettes a day, and as you said yourself, you never will. so do yourself a favour and shut the fuck up. you have no idea what you're on about and are quite frankly making an utter tit out of yourself. i've always had a certain respect for you, and would certainly consider you a friend, but really, there's no need to ask you politely to leave it out, considering the clueless nonsense you're coming out with. |
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Murder boy is angry |
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I try giving up smoking every now and then, longest was four months but I managed to hardly drink in that time... drinking makes it difficult, although I know it can be done because I used to drink and not smoke. I can not smoke for a few daze but then smoke with a vengeance. I'd recommend the book "The Nicotine Trick" for all those wanting to quit. It helped me for a while. It was leant to me and it's something you should own because you'll need to come back to it time and again... but if you own a copy I think it would do the trick because it is very powerful. If you're an ectomorph like me then stopping smoking is difficult, because of the constant need to eat. When you drink, it's a pain to eat, and difficult when you're in the pub, so smoking alleviates it. Mesomorphs and endomorphs I know tend not to have this problem. Maybe we can have an XLT poll regarding tendancy to smoke and body type. And for all those who don't know what I'm on about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatotype Although my ectomorphic tendancies may be due to fact that I don't eat as much as I should... if I gave up fags, booze and substances proper for six months or so I may balloon for all I know... but I move quickly and I do a lot of active things so I burn energy and weight very easily. |
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i don't think drunken mastah is a very good psychologist |
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it probably would help if you didnt expect to relapse like people do, because they know they are addicted. but youre really not winning me over on this one, its hard to quit, please trust me |
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there were a few nights while drinking online which owned lots of drinking offline nights. most of pubs don't play your fav songs exactly when you want them. drinking without the music you like is not it. |
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sorry, but when a person is a smoker (as opposed to when he isn't.. the distinction applies to one person within the person himself, not between people who smoke and people who not smoke, if you catch my drift; it applies to a person only when smoking, expressing an urge to smoke or nagging about it being hard to quit, etc), I have neither respect nor pity for them and the fact that they haven't quit smoking shows that the talk about wanting to quit is either bullshit or they're just.. I can't find a proper formulation, but.. "of weak willpower" or something, and even a person of weak willpower is merely decieving himself; we all have equal willpower (I kind of mean the power of determination, but I don't know if that's a separate word), but one can make oneself believe that ones responsibility to quit smoking is somehow diminished because "oh, deary me it's so hard to quit; this substance is addictive!" I say that's bullshit and quitting smoking is as easy as quitting smoking. I also believe that I do know intimately what I am talking about though I haven't smoked myself (except cigars); it isn't addiction.. it's temptation, and we've all had experiences with temptation, but we all have the willpower to not give in.. or, rather.. not all of us, but those who do give in also try to unload their own burden of responsibility onto everything but themselves. a good example is that of a rapist who claims the girl was "asking for it" by dressing or acting a certain way (he believes he wouldn't be able to bear the responsibility for his actions all on his own, and this is a major flaw in society these days). staz: smokers don't need psychiatrists.. they need a good beating. |
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I'd also like to point out that you are using an archetypical method of relieving yourself of responsibility.. you're referring to and attempting to define yourself as something else than yourself; a ectomorph. you're also defining yourself according to outdated (one exlamation mark) sosiobological (thousand exclamation marks and a nuclear bomb) classification. |
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indeed.but well... |
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Drunken Mastah, shut up. we've hearrd it, the same thing 18 times. shut up. |
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And I thought my posts were ridiculously long... Regarding the ectomorph: I did say I'm probably different if I tried, so I wasn't quite classing myself as such. I don't class myself as a certain thang, I just try to be myself, whatever that is. I don't know if it's outdated, check the Rorschach test, that IS outdated. Still fun, though. Stopping smoking is hard in the UK as the drinking culture makes it difficult. |
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Geoff Dyer raged against smoking better, I'll see if I can put the article up once somebody skools me on posting images. |
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also believe that I do know intimately what I am talking about though I haven't smoked myself (except cigars); it isn't addiction.. it's temptation hahaha |
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topostimagesyoumustdonates. |
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Really? May take a while. I make money outside of my job (which I don't have anymore) though, though not a lot, if I can shift some pottery I have then I've the money for it. |
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drunken_poseur |
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I dunno. This thread seems to be all about some of my fave XLT people fighting together, and it makes me all sadface. |
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oh boy,enjoy life....and let it be.. uh? and have fun,watching words.avatars~fightin^ here. xltronic is like a *hall of mirrors Cheers *go now to watch what Giginger post :O |
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You're right, Falito. I'm just gonna go to bed soon, I'm getting wobbly. Some people smoke, some don't. End of...? |
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lol @ drunken mastah, next time make some research on the effect of nicotine on the body when consumming enough for a suficcient period of time ;-) off course willpower and your surroundings/friends are probably the most important thing to succesfully quit smoking, especially for the psychological part of it but nicotine does have a strong effect on the body |
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If I started drinking regularly I'd be homeless withing 4 months. I think I have an addictive personality. |
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bah! the physical addiction accounts for no more than 10% of the addiction. |
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Where does it say that? or are you just picking facts out of your arse again? |
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if your trying to quit smoking then i recommend alan carr's only way to stop smoking. you can get it from smiths for the same price as a crate. i used to smoke 20 a day until i read this and then i quit. you continue to smoke while you read the book. also, i quit about 2 weeks after i finished it. but i really wanted to. if i smoked normal cigs i would have found it easier, but cutters choice was soo sweet. so i know what you mean about making excuses for cigs. havent had a cig for exactly a year now. dont even think about it. |
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reading this thread makes me think redrum is alrighty and i'm an alcoholic |
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you can't "ask" someones biological body how addicted it is to something. you can ask the person, and the person is also the only one who knows he's addicted to it (or, rather, a person as opposed to his body). the biological effects of addiction aren't related to actually wanting anything, but rather to certain symptoms you experience when attempting to quit; sligth depression or being restless, etc, and you only assume that the way to relieve these feelings is to smoke. if you don't allow yourself to smoke to relieve these things, you'll find something else to do with your time. between all these things, the biological makes up no more than a very small amount of the "dependancy." now, try never buy another cigarette never smoke another cigarette and when you feel like you have nothing to do or nervous or depressed, just remember that these are things everyone feels, but smokers don't believe it to be their own, they think it's the lack of smoke that causes it; drugs are most often used to "cope with" certain natural conditions. it's normal to be bored, restless, a bit depressed (just don't start cutting yourself), etc, but when you have a dependancy, you think feeling like this is because you haven't got what you're depending on. just, whenever you feel like you need a smoke because you're feeling "bad," do some active thinking into the fact that even though some researchers call nicotine one of the most addictive drugs, it still isn't very addictive in itself. The setting is the addiction. |
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The biological side-effects encountered by people quitting smoking, which occur due to the lack of nicotine in the bloodstream, aren't comparable to "normal boredom or depression or restlessness". they're recurring, and you KNOW that it's due to your own nicotine depravation that they're occuring. It's not an assumption, it's very simple fucking logic, simple enough for a 6-year-old to work out, simple enough to be lost on you. sure, you're right, if you don't give in, after a month or two things will become to get easier, and after a year, things will get much easier. but this is all about your arrogant contempt for the difficulty involved in giving up smoking, so that's what i'm addressing. |
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it still isn't very addictive in itself WHAT! Yourr arrgument that one of the harrdest things about stopping smoking is brreaking the habit, but you'rre arrgument fails because you'rre playing down both how difficult the withdrrawl symptoms can be and also how harrd it can be to brreak the habit. |
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Yourr arrgument that one of the harrdest things about stopping smoking is brreaking the habit is fairr enough, I agrree.. |
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He gave up fags, Ah hu hu hu |
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Actually, if you can help it, don't rreply to me Drunken Mastah, ignorre my post, this is futile. |
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no, I think it's the same normal boredom and depression as everyone else feels, but if you ask a smoker, of course he's going to attribute it to the nicotine! that you say you KNOW it's because of your own depravation proves my point as you are a smoker and I doubt you'd be any more or less depressed than I am. I'm both bored, depressed, stressed and restless on a regular basis (though not all the time, and people who quit smoking aren't constantly depressed either), but I don't believe I have to drink constantly to relieve this stress (I did for a while, but I then I thought "what the fuck?!" and stopped). my arrogant contempt for the difficulties is more than justified (thus not arrogant, but still contemptuous) because I KNOW that I'd be able to quit smoking in a second if I'd been smoking for ten years straight 100 a day (the quitting may be because I died). |
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Nicotine in a measurable (and possibly permanent, certainly long-term) way. Dopamine levels directly affect your mood, i am sure you know this. Nicotine withdrawal is therefore not "normal boredom and depression". You are wrong. That last paragraph is so fucking stupid i don't know if it's supposed to be tongue in cheek or what, i won't bother. This really is futile anyway, isn't it, you'll just type everyone else into submission anyway. BLAH BLAH BLAH |
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if you'd quit smoking and didn't believe that nicotine was addicting, you wouldn't think about getting a smoke. |
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