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offline nacmat on 2002-03-07 16:24 [#00115826]
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hey friends....dont you get tired of discussing all the
time...and about such deep things.?

I love giving a great thinking to everything but man you
leave me far behind...
my english is too bad to understand the whole of your
arguments so I cant follow you... I hope you get somewere...
I am a bit jelaus I cant participate


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-03-07 16:25 [#00115830]
Points: 7669 Status: Regular



I don't want to be part of the working class, I've tried it
and it is rubbish. Get rich stay rich and if you have come
from the working class you will bring others in your wake.

Why not have a goverment who looks after the winners.

It doesn't mater who you vote for Tory and Labour don't seem
that different. Who would have thought that a Labour
government would propose privatising the London Underground?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:28 [#00115837]
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Private eye are certainly elitist! I don't mean they're
right wing in the sense that they support the govt/order,
they're just anti-hippie -even the first few years(I know I
have copies) when it was "underground"- and they're
pro-formal education and working.

Jonesy: I'm welsh.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-07 16:29 [#00115839]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



Yeah but what happens during an econimc crisis? Look at
Enron.

Sorry Nacmat. I feel like a twat now. Your English seems
really good though


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:30 [#00115840]
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Yeah, apologies to Nacmat.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-07 16:30 [#00115841]
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Ceri: its just you seem to have no grasp of irony.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:36 [#00115852]
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Look at the adverts in Private eye, admittedley there are a
few Commie ones, but most are aimed at London-type business
men. Surely that gives you an idea of the reader
demographic?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:36 [#00115854]
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Look at the adverts in Private eye, admittedley there are a
few Commie ones, but most are aimed at London-type business
men. Surely that gives you an idea of the reader
demographic?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-07 16:44 [#00115866]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker



i think you must be reading a different PRIVATE EYE than
me... the PRIVATE EYE i read attacks corruption whichever
"wing" it happens to be cowering under. it is bitingly
satirical about all things -- corruption, pretensiousness,
dumbing-down, spin-doctoring, policy-buying &tc -- i have
the new issue right in front of me, and it certainly isn't
siding with any class/education-attained -- it appeals to
anyone enlightened enough not to buy baloney (no offence
meant to any italian-americans :D)

as it has explained before, if a company it is
attacking/satirising is dumb enough to advertise in the
magazine and thus help perpetuate this great magazine's
existence, then the IRONY is delicious...

oh, and it's NOT aimed at london office workers


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:47 [#00115873]
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Doesn't the image of the "typical" reader just conjure up a
man with a brief case and bowler hat to you?

Ian Hislop is certainly elitist.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-07 16:47 [#00115875]
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Apparently the magazine has featured the college I work at
on occassions, including my boss Dame Pat Morgan Webb. I'm
not sure what's been said init as I've just started here.

The vice principal here though is on £90,000. I'm on
£11,888. This makes me angry. That's eight times as much.
He probably only works 12 hours a wekk and then goes to his
other job that pays just as much. Hew the arther half live
eh?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 16:55 [#00115889]
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It is nuts how much high-level academics get paid, but it's
the only way of stopping them leaving to work in industry. I
agree, there is a (shouldn't be saying this on the uni
network :) ) lecturer who must earn about £30,000 a year
and runs his own company as, comes in *1* day a week and
basically uses his tutorials as beta testing for his
companie's software! Takes the piss.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-07 16:57 [#00115894]
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It always wound me up when lecturers plugged their own books
while my dad was back home working every hour God sends to
pay for my overpriced education. They take the piss.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-07 17:00 [#00115904]
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hmm... my post is missing! shit! i said that having to
conjure up a "typical" private eye reader is a pointless
exercise in stereotyping..and i asked for an example of ian
hislop's elitism...man i hope this one posts...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 17:08 [#00115918]
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My dad's class went on strike when he was a student because
a lecturer MADE them have a copy of his book to enroll on
his module, he claimed it was that he knew the materail and
could teach the students more effectivley from it, but he
was effectively getting loads of royalties each year.

Ian Hislop went to Oxford, he takes the piss out of
ex-Polytechnics and doesn't think they're as good as
red-brick universities. He also makes fun of people who
haven't read the "classic" english literature.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-07 17:10 [#00115926]
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i have read the classics, and believe they should be more
widely read.

so what if he went to Oxford, and derides polytechnics -
people who went to polytechnics deride polytechnics


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-07 17:22 [#00115940]
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Yeah and that's why we (Glamorgan ex-poly) beat Loughborough
University (one of the most respected red brick unis for
computing) in Research last review. In fact we were only one
grade less than Oxford. Bearing in mind we're a vocational
as opposed to academic university I think you'll agree this
shows that ex-polys are *not* inferior.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-07 17:27 [#00115945]
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personally, i don't believe in competition, and i wouldn't
judge/compare a place of higher learning w/out extensive
research


 

offline wizards teeth from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-07 17:53 [#00115988]
Points: 1070 Status: Regular



jonesy your list was 90 %

well done

tonight i eat meat
teeth


 

offline Binaural Tea from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2002-03-07 18:13 [#00116014]
Points: 1912 Status: Lurker



marlowe:

suppose your girlfriend´s eight months pregnant and then
goes: "oh, its amazing.. i´m eight months pregnant and i
decided to sniff some magic markers, because i heard its
healthy for me and our offspring".. i´d question her
intelligence. HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA......


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-07 18:51 [#00116059]
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I would ask to see the article detailing why it would be
actively healthy to inhale magic markers, read it, shrug,
and continue reading "fear and loathing in america"


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-08 09:05 [#00117017]
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Ha ha Marlowes reading Fear and Loathing in America too!
Have you read the proud highway too?


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-08 09:10 [#00117026]
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Ceri: I don't know your brother. He was much older than me
by the sounds of it. Where did you go - Barry Boys?

Yes you're right to be worried. I'm slowly teasing
information out about you so that when I come back at the
end of the month I can hunt you down like a helpless lil
bunny wabbit. Ha, ha.


 

offline Binaural Tea from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2002-03-10 19:49 [#00120100]
Points: 1912 Status: Lurker



A FACT:

WHEN YOU INHALE SOLVENTS (SUPPOSE YOU DO IT FREQUENTLY) THE
CHEMICALS GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH YOUR LUNGS AND INTO
YOUR BLOOD. AND COME TO THINK YOU SHARE BLOOD WITH YOUR
UNBORN CHILD, THIS IS NOT A NICE THING TO DO TO YOUR CHILD.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-03-10 20:03 [#00120119]
Points: 24578 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #00117017



i haven't seen PROUD HIGHWAY yet unfortunately - but i
certainly want to get it since most of his stuff is from 68
onwards. :)


 

offline Darth manchu from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-10 20:04 [#00120121]
Points: 1897 Status: Regular | Followup to Binaural Tea: #00120100



You dont share the *actual* blood with the baby. Its just
all the stuff filters in.


 


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