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In my 20 year or so quest to re-write "Donna" by the Art of Noise from their "Into Battle" mini-lp, well not re-write it but think about it a lot whilst I make something, I feel I am finally getting there. This is a small sample of the track I am pouring beery sweat into, called "Own Brand". It's fucking chockablock full of reverb, "bad" snares, and it sounds muddy. Hmmm, yes, but after being encouraged by Staz's kind words yesterday about some other new tracks I went back to this for a bit of a gee up. And now I did want to run it under your collective nose and see if I was A). backing the wrong horse or B). Yeah, could be good if you did this that and the other or C). you know, anything else. |
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usual dog belch |
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Thanks mate! |
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well, it seems you intend the drums to sound like this, but other than the drums it's a great track imo! |
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I'd like nice drum sounds, to be fair, I like "cheesy" drums but I also like "cool" drums, I think maybe I could mix "cheesy" and "cool" drums, and by cool I mean, you know, not obvious drum samples or different sounds for rhythmic elements, shall we say. So yes, good point. Love you. |
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I dig I dig :D |
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bc kinda thing. |
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What, jav? |
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well, nothing really. option a was out of the question so i picked options b and c. i think you caught the essence of art of noise excellent there but to give a constructive opinion i would have to hear the whole thing :) i definitelly hope i'll hear it because i like this part a lot. i haven't downloaded it so i was wondering what quality you got it ripped into? |
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oh, and i wouldn't change drums if i was you :D |
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Oh, I see, I thought you were saying something ENTIRELY different. Well, I made it into this mp3 and to me it sounds the same as what it sounded like when it was parts on a laptop. But, yes I'd like to develop it a bit more, but more than that I'm ever so honoured your busy ears had time to give it a listen, even in its current state. |
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you know, i don't think i've heard your stuff before so i thought i'd give it a chance. i've played it on repeat for a while now..perhaps you could lengthen it simply by looping it a few times :) |
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Ha! This version is the same thing looped twice with a bit of extra faffery in the second half, already. I think maybe it just needs an intro, an outro, and a euro rap in the middle. |
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I love it, it's my favorite thingy from you. my cat likes it too, we are dancing |
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I love you AND your cat. But you more. That track you posted the other day of yours, you said it was your last. I really liked it, Arden Fox? I played it on Pomme's "The Cut" show, a lot of the stuff I playted that night was rank, but yours was SHIT HOT. |
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needs 6 minutes at least! |
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I agree, the quality/atmosphere of this song warrants 6 more minutes at least. and I'm flattered beyond words about that song, arden fox...or whatever it may be called, it doesn't really have a name |
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It's fucking chockablock full of reverb, "bad" snares It was right up my alley. :) Great track, I like the fact that not all the drums are gated/filtered/what-have-you.. it retains interest alot easier since the effects are applied somewhat intermittently. Cool synths and atmosphere too.. but I'd avoid the Euro rap :\ but to each his own (brand).. |
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It's nice. I'm not massively into it though. The things you posted yesterday though, Star Burger in particular, are fucking ace and need finishing. I have listened to Star Burger about 50 times today. |
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i'm totally not qualified to give an opinion on this given my lack of knowledge about the art of noise (never got into them). i'm not fond of the drum sound (i think i may have used it myself in one fruityloops track too many). i think it's quite nice otherwise - has that urban/industrial/80's feel for sure, but it's also very warm. i'll borrow a cliche and say flowers growing in cracked concrete. |
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'i only like this because dog belch made it. if anyone else did it, it would be crap' |
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I like your carrot avatar, but only because it's in a dog_belch thread. If I had seen it in any other thread, it would be crap. |
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Honest oppinion: Not that great IMO. Not bad either. The drums are really crappy! I know its your intention, but the bottom line is it doesnt sound that good to me. I like the chords in the background and that whispering voice. The melody line is too samey. Gets old quick. Listened to it 3 times now, and i don't feel like listening to it again. Youve posted much better stuff than this, so to answer your question: A). backing the wrong horse, and at the same time C). Evolve some of your other tracks, or make completely new stuff. |
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I only hate that post because you wrote it. If anyone else did it it would be great. |
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i've played it twice now and tried to enjoy it. it's not bad but it's not great either. I think I would come back to the track and make it a bit longer, grander and worth tears. Plus something tells me it needs female vocals, maybe by Patsi Kensit ? |
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I guess you post your stuff to get some constructive critisism, so here goes: I'm listening to your other songs, and it seems like a problem in all of them, that its the same thing over and over again. Making repetitive music can be either hypnotic/mantra like or just become boring, and to me, it seems your music falls a bit into the boring category. You have some nice ideas, but it seems like nothing happens in the tracks. I dont feel motivated to listen to the tracks over and over again. Combined with the drum sounds you use, it makes your music sound a bit like tracks from someone who got fruityloops a month ago (wich i'm guessing is not the sound you are aiming for). I need finished tracks dammit!!! More specefic notes about your tracks: Star Burger: Perhaps the best of the tracks you uploaded. Has good mood to it. Good use of sounds. I thank the lord that you didnt use those crappy snares in this one. but again, 1:08??? I need more. I need more melody. I need something that will actually make me feel like listening again. It feels like something is building up, but then it just ends instead. Happy Shopper: Delete this track. It sucks, to be quite honest. The drums sound extremely bad. Not promising in any way. Nothing can save this track!!! It needs to die. You tried to save it with some effects here and there... pah. The snare drives me up the wall. Track one (live): Shows some promise as well. I can actually stand listening to this one. But same as the others, why doesnt it evolve? Same little loop again and again. Its not that brilliant that it deserves to be played again and again endlessly with only a swooping sound to add variation. |
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I can imagine this being used as the shop/garage or possibly loading screen in a futuristic wipeout/f-zero style videogame. In terms of "listening techno" though, it's a bit too repetative, not really going anywhere. Although, I suppose that's what makes me think it'd work so well as looping music in a game. |
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the structure/the idea is pretty good (very ultradyne'ish), i like it. but the overall quality, the feeling is very amateurish. like a movie filmed with a handycam, you know? |
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Last night I was listening to it thinking "Woooah, ok, could finally be onto something", now I'm listening and it sounds a bit threadbare. Hmmm, sometimes when you're in the middle of doing things I think you fill in the gaps too much mentally... but, yes, maybe you have to actually DO some of those for the listener. But I will say, that these three newer tracks aren't finished at all, and I shouldn't have stuck them under your nose yet, wasting your time. I appreciate everyone's ears, and in particular DirtyPriest's (oh so dirty) comments. I honestly agree with pretty much everything you say there, apart from saying about the snare sounds, but I am going to give it a go replacing all drum sounds with different things. I'd say I try not to do the same thing over and over, but I am aware it comes out like that. And it is Amateur, in small flashing lights. I agree that Happy Shopper one's not so hot, I have this romantic idea about very old techno compilation tapes, but again, these three newer ones are more "basic". I know you've had more than a fucking enough of me by now but some things I consider a lot better and a far more structured are and from earlier this year. |
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Sea World is good! i remember listening to it a long time ago actually. The thing about those damn snares is, i dont think people appreciate the irony/romantic ideas or whatever. It just doesnt sound that great, and thats the bottom line. It pulls the whole thing down. You definatly need some more interesting drum sounds. Looking forward to listening to some more completed stuff :) I'm also glad that my critique is appreciated, sometimes it seems like an odd thing to do, to point out bad things about someone elses work, that these people have spent their time and effort on. I just remember that good constructive critisism has been very helpful to me over the years, in both music and art. Its really annoying as hell when you hear it, and then you often realise its true, and you evolve. Also, you must know, i wouldnt bother with this, if i didnt think there was a possibility for you to make some good music in the future. If it was utter crap, i wouldnt go into details like that. |
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I really appreciate you giving the time and honestly you've picked up on some things that I do need to really look seriously at if I am to "move on" and progress, let's say. It's very helpful indeed, particularly things like how a simply a bad snare can bring the whole lot down. I think, yes, now I see one must be mindful of all the details if you're to pull something together successfully, you can't afford to be sloppy in that regard. So yes, I really do appreciate everyone's input and it all does help. |
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Thats cool. Ill probably upload some music soon, then you can pick it apart, if you want to get back at me :) I noticed an interesting thing about your tracks, that is pretty neat actually. They almost always consist of small "drones", like beats that are repeated again and again, and then synth chords in the background that are constantly changing. I like this concept, it works nicely in ambient type music. But i think (i'm just rambling now, you dont need to listen) you could have a really powerfull effect if you at one point in a track like this changed the beat completely. And not make it wilder, more distorted or anything. On the contrary, it can get more intense, if you make the beat simpler for a while, if you combine it with an unexpected chord change or something. Or the introduction of a new sound. Just thoughts. |
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I'm sold on that, yes, definitely. I'll give that a go as an exercise. I think maybe we're looking at adding a bit more light and shade, some depth, where at the moment it's a bit of a static storm with just shades of grey. No, definitely, like it, I like a challenge, godamnit! Thanks for your thoughts, again, and look forward to hearing a bit of The Priest. |
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boy this is weird, for once I actually disagree completely with DirtyPriest :).. and the other comments here. I liked the tracks.. alot. Sure they're threadbare, but you did maintain that these are simply sketches/first drafts. I LOVED Happy Shopper.. it's got a very lovely, subtle undertone gliding under that bassline - very hard to describe but I think it can be exploited. Maybe add some kind of swirling, phaser effect to that really quiet two-note melody under the bassline to help add some nuance? (I don't know, what I like about this track is hard to pin down in words). It's sparse, yeah, but I guess I just like the sense of variation-within-repetition, the occasional mechanized drumfills peppering what's otherwise a very repetetive track, is what keeps my interest while still allowing me to get lost in the more samey synthy drones. Unlike most people here, I thought Star Burger was boring.. almost cliche. I don't know why it was the fan favorite, but I MUCH prefered Own Brand and Happy Shopper. Anyway, keep 'em coming.. :) |
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I can understand why you like it! with your preferences in sounds and all. |
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It's a fine line one must traverse. I think you and I, as far as I can tell, enjoy and pick up on certain similar things in... certain types of music. But, I guess it's ... broadening on that to let more people in on... the thing, ... without losing the first thing... entirely. One person's reaction to a "cheap" snare might be associations of pop music past, the un-written history of a billion bedroom composers since year dot, some childhood imaging of the future, some idealised past that one knows was never really true but still fancies popping back there.. all sorts of different things, and someone else will just think, no more rightly or wrongly, "Cheap snare" and bring the whole lot down. So then the challenge is, I suppose, to make it work. I think there's an art to putting in a cheap snare, it's got to sound like it's meant to be there, not just because it was the default. I know this is all obvious, but I'm still. ... trying, godamnit. |
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i came here looking for new cygnus beats and was thoroughly disappointed shame on you, "dan" |
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This is actually turning into a pretty interesting discussion. Actually, i really like the sound of a tr808 (wich is what you used right?) But combined with other elements, that clarifies that the music maker is aware that he is using an overused song. Its sort of sound design post modernism in a way. The thin line between making kitch and making camp (not that any of you twos music is either one, but its sort of the same thing) I think, Dog_belch, that your music lacks some elements before you are "allowed" to use sounds like that. |
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Haha, sorry old boy, I left out all the beats and just stuck to mad melodeez. I just have to say, again, that uviol's Stephanie Tanner Suprise always succeeds where I fail, everytime I listen to "Nothing can stop me today", for example, I just shake my head, knowing I will never get it as right as that goddman track, just incredible. I must get the bloody album I suppose. And I am just getting into Warhawk Tanzania as well. |
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this thread is GIGANTIC. i'm gonna listen soon, if falito allows it. |
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I think, Dog_belch, that your music lacks some elements before you are "allowed" to use sounds like that. Exactly right, on the money. I am just, via this very thread, coming to realise this. |
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used an overused SOUND, i meant to say |
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As Dirty pointed out, this is an interesting discussion.. actually a subject I've been thinking alot about. Indeed, it is a very fine line. As you were saying, dog_belch, we do share certain affinities for these kinds of sound palattes.. but as Dirty mentioned, there must be enough in the mix to set them off.. to throw them into relief I suppose. It's a very tough call because as you both have already said, this kind of thing is very easily misinterpreted. What are intended as references to dated sound archetypes will sound, to many people, like presetty, amateuish wank. In some cases it might be that.. Still, it's tough to know how much to assume the listener will 'get' and how much to spell it out. It also assumes that there is something to 'get' in the first place. That said, thank you again dan for your comments on and support of sts.. you are way too kind :) I appreciate your time and careful listening more than it is easy to express in text. And yeah.. warhawk's a very different animal but I hope you enjoy that too! |
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too short this track (as always), but it's still lovely for its soundscapes, and it's quite daring in comparison to a lot of the music i hear online and offline. you always have the musical balls to take stuff far out like this, i love it. no shyness, just full on with bizarre synthlines, snare reverb and openhats floating on the right. oh, and i wanna do a collaborative "EP" or something. that would be fucking awesome. |
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you're talking about the Own Brand themo mp3 ? |
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what else |
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I so love Staz, in as much as one man can love another without becoming "a gay", and even then... but, I know Staz does some of the most awesome tracks around, offline online signed unsigned wherever. What's his greatest gift though? His wonderful ears, this lad can listen, truly hear, and I think that helps him make Top Music, I believe. Obvious, really, I guess. And even when what he's listening to is ropey old tolsh, like my old chuff, he can still hear through the poor production, the frankly piss poor use of volume, fx, dog bollock melody... to .. the intention, the aim, the whatever. And I am sure this gift will serve him well in the future. I know I've lost what few people held me in any regard with these last half baked spams, I've attempted to make ammends with the faux acid muscular workout that is , but, I suspect, not only is the jury out, they've long since fucked off. And I don't blame them. |
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wankshot |
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hahaha, it sounds like grindcore |
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