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more. of. the. same. |
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Oh man I can't wait. I wonder what the theme/time period/location is. Shouldn't be long before we get to see some screens. Also, at Bungie.net. I'm downloading it now. |
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I see that makes perfect sense. The wii controller just has left a bad taste in my mouth. I suppose over time it might settle in but i really enjoy disliking nintendo even though i grew up a mighty big fan of it! |
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so, uh, nintendo just conquered e3. heh. |
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really, the only real exciting news is coming from nintendo. they're not missing their chance for a comeback. |
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not that hard to do, really, if you keep quiet for almost a year. |
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I dunno, I would say the only real surprise or big ''news'' with regards to the ''console war'' is GTA on Xbox. Bad news for Sony. Other than that, the conferences were extremely predictable... Sony blew it like they always do, Nintendo trotted out Mario, Zelda and Metroid like they always do, and Microsoft is all about Halo, like they always are. The only announcement that made me go ''whoa'' was GTA, that franchise is the most signifigant asset and now it's a polygamist. Even though it doesn't even really matter to me at all since I'm getting both of those systems and I don't give a shit anyway, it's still the biggest surprise and the IGN boards are already rife with X-Bots trolling the PS3 boards bragging about it. Gotta love gamers, always focusing on what's important. |
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I don't know, I think these large press conferences are possibly the least interesting aspect of the E3 (well, besides the booth babes perhaps) - like Ophecks says, it's always the big names, the big sequels, blah blah blah. when you get all excited over GTA coming out on Xbox I just go "hey, it's now on the other big console" and "hey, it's a sequel to GTA, unsurprisingly". I hope there will be some stranger more interesting but above all NEW games, being developed by smaller developers, bobbing up on game journalism sites soon. |
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Yeah the press conferences are just macho posturing, pimping the AAA franchises that pay the bills. Especially in Sony and Microsoft's case, the Katamari Damacys/Guitar Hero/ICOs/weirder little games get ignored. They shove the big franchises down our throat. But by the same token, a lot of these repeated franchises get repeated for a reason. Mario /Metroid/etc always break new ground every gen. And a big part of MGS4's appeal is that it's ''yet another sequel''. People actually care about MGS's story and characters, and it's never a rehash. The Halo trailer looked typically boring though, that series has no grasp of the artistic side of things. Halo 3 WILL be more of the same. |
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by the looks of things the idea of being a game journalist sounds exhausting |
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stone tape; heh, jane ascher and the haunted oscilliscopes!, definite armchair theatre |
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mario galaxies looks like the greatest game ever. oh man. |
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it's great! and pretty scary, still. |
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GTA is coming out on 360 AND PS3 |
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is it?, i saw it a good while ago on ukgold or something found out there bfi have released it!?.. they've put out some mad stuff recently, its class |
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yeah they brought it out a few years back, that's when I bought it. :) there's a commentary track which is more of an interview with Nigel Kneale. super. |
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i kinda don't care about gta when i have real games to look forward to. i mean come on! |
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i'm glad Nintendo is pwning everyone. Even without Wii they could still make Sony and Microshit eat their own balls with just the DS. The thing about Sony and Microshat is that THEY JUST REHASH THE SAME BORING SHIT ONLY WITH BETTER GRAPHICS. When the playstation1 came out there was no fucking way i was buying that piece of shit. A 2x speed cd rom drive with a controller popping out its ass? No thank you fuckers. Xbox? WOW you mean now I can drop an extra $300 on top of the $800 i already spent buying a computer that performs just as good if not better than an xbox? Where do I sign up for the anal wrecking ball? The only reason Sony is still in the game is because they have really good 3rd party developers making decent shit. The only reason I bought PS2 was because I thought i'd be using it online. 4 years later I realize that not one fucking game I own has online capability and the new Final Fantasy's can suck my fucking cock. Nothing but girly prepubescent anime bullshit. I honestly feel like the only reason these consoles are selling is because: 1. Status symbol. Maxim said it was cool so i bought two of them. 2. No fucking clue. 30 year old washed up fag tries to be 'techy' and 'cool'. Thinks mario is for kiddies. 3. I'm rich. I have so much fucking money I buy every console ever. 4. One of the above losers sold me theirs at a discount price. It'll be on ebay when I'm bored with it. |
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I was gonna rant about the PSP too but I ran out of testosterone. Anyone who owns a laptop and still thinks the PSP is worth it is a fucking dumbass. |
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huh huh, ran out of testoterone |
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i love videogames all these new controllers make me want to splooge |
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assuming you're not joking), you're like one those Wii martyrs on IGN, but with even more inexplicable bitterness. Dpending on my mood, I sort of agree about Microsoft, they're very devious and the worst offenders when it comes to generic software and crass media manipulation. Here's the raison d'etre of the Xbox 360. Nothing to do with the ignorant gobbledygook you listed. Jeezus. It's basically a specialized PC. It would be very expensive to buy an actual PC that can run Oblivion at 1920 x 1080 at high framerates, HDR and AA. But the Xbox 360 does it now for a fraction of the price of a great gaming PC. Just about every PC game worth having will end up on Xbox 360 (or PS3), and gaming feels better with a home theater than it does at a desk. That, along with Live, is the reason why so why people buy it. Nothing to do with image, just function. It's not rocket science, and it's not about ''image''. (and it's also about Halo... most people I know bought an Xbox 1 to play multi-player Halo. I initially did, myself. Fun party game, well worth the buying an Xbox for. What does that have to do with image and Maxim or whatever silliness you were talking about?) If you think there's nothing original in Sony's library, well, I don't know what to say. Personally, when I look at Zelda and then at ICO, Metroid Prime and then Shadow of the Colossus, Super Mario Sunshine and then Ratchet and Clank, it's pretty clear to me Sony has been holding their own, artistically. Then there's 3rd party stuff. There's lots of Katamaris and Guitar Heroes and Rezes and other obscuros, you didn't look hard enough if you think the PS2 doesn't have a ton of original games. It's naive to think that Sony's success has nothing to do with its game library. Especially considering the hardware is ghetto. |
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I'm glad Nintendo is pwning everyone. Even without Wii they could still make Sony and Microshit eat their own balls with just the DS. That's not entirely accurate, but paucity of truth seems to be a common theme here. Just for reference, on Gamespot, they gauge the popularity and hype for previewed E3 games and update it every hour based on web traffic. The PS3 holds 8 of the top 10 spots, the Xbox 360 holds 1 (Halo, of course). The DS has the other. I mean, if you don't like MGS, Halo, Grand Theft Auto or Final Fantasy, cool, but don't kid yourself here. These are the games to beat. Sony and Microsoft are in good positions, as is Nintendo. This will probably be the closet console grudge match since Sega/Nintendo in 93/94. Curb- i love videogames Yeah. So do I. I think I'm masochist when it comes to gaming, though. Getting some insightful gaming discussion going on the internet is like getting blood from a stone sometimes. It's often rough going but I sure do love console wars anyway. It's not enough for EVERY console to be worth owning, one or two of them always have to suck. At least it seems graphic-whores are on the decline. Anyway, on the bright side of things, there's a new full-length 15 minute Metal Gear trailer being posted by Konami later today. It blew the roof off the joint at E3 last night, it's supposed to be super-deluxe. I'm pretty hard. |
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your number 1 reason now completely goes for the Wii, a renaming that blatantly has "MARKETING DEPARTMENT" scribbled all over it - let's make it look a bit like an iPod, try to get that crowd of hipster wannabees in there too.. you should choose a console based on the games that are available for that console and whether you want to play those games- if you like the games for the PSP, you get a PSP, if you like the look of the DS games, you get a DS. not out of some dumb form of fanboism. |
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granted Castlevania is a great game but that post compairs apples and oranges. |
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exactly |
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I've now watched the Sony and the Nintendo press conferences, and there's just way too much to account for... Luckily I don't have to, since it's all out there on countless sites! Wii (I'm loving the name, btw, it's a real hit, "pika-pika" japanese crazy style) seems exciting enough, and if it's going to end on the economical side of the market, I might as well buy it. There's a few good reasons: 1) Mario Galaxies, 2) Mario Galaxies, 3) Zelda: Twilight Princess, 4) the rest is bonus! To be frank, Zelda didn't seem altogether mind-blowing, compared to what Gamecube already does, but as an integrated experience I'm sure it'll deliver. The hyper-excited kids playing baseball and ping pong in their living rooms did not resonate with me, but maybe I'm not in their target trendy audience. The discussion here is on the right track: It's definitely no less an appeal to youth trendiness in Nintendo, than it is in MS, or Sony. Luckily Miyamato-san will deliver gold no matter who's buying it. The little we saw of the new Mario, I can say it's going to be a worthy continuation of the series. I still consider Mario 64 as possibly the greatest game of all time, and Sunshine was cute enough too, so I have high hopes time time around as well. Last complaint: To say (second year in a row, I can testify!) that "it's no longer a matter of the quality of graphics, but rather the quality of content" is a clumsily concealed way of saying that Nintendo is unable to provide groundbreaking hardware for developers or gamers. Looking at the Sports party game they had to offer, one thing seems clear - "dazzling" is not the word to describe the level of their graphical offering... |
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Sony, on the other hand, provided just that: DAZZLING graphical demonstration. No matter what you think of some of their rehashed demos from last year, it's clear to me that they are WAY ahead of the race as far as pure processor power is concerned. I'm looking forward to the longer MGS demo, so I'll skip that for now... FFXIII, too, seems too early to say anything about. GT HD was quite sweet. Tokyo track was a bit boring, since it's the same lifeless track from GT3 and 4 (was it in GT2 already?). They haven't updated the dynamics or the interactive elements of the backgrounds at all, it seems, which makes for a poor show of what the machine is capable of. To be fair, it's not a demo for a NEW game, but rather a simple re-vamping of old content with new resolution and frame rate. That said, the "Grand Canyon" stage seemed absolutely remarkable! Not only the jaw-dropping background (in fine detail), but the faultless, smooth, streamlined vehicle models in beautiful close-ups really gave a glimpse into the future of the series. Still, certain factors NEED to be introduced to the series: 1) Interactive and embellishing elements to the stages - including people (not mere carton figures), birds, LIVELY trees and plants, wind, water, rain, thunder, geological formations etc. 2) A.I.! Please - these drivers would totally flunk the Turing test. If it drives like a robot, and slides like a robot - it's a robot... 3) Realistic collision detection - including harder punishments for hitting walls, grass, gravel and other cars. 4) Finally - one can always dream - the ability to wreck your car/bike. The rest of the games seemed quite exciting too. Nobody's talking about Afrika, that could rule. Plenty of teasers, but enough of live performances as well... These seemed particularly exciting: Medal of Honour, Resistance: Fall of Man, 8 Days (or was it 9?), the untitled Naughty Dog game, and Warhawk (hell yes!). |
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Last, but definitely not least, Heavenly Swords blew me away, for what easily could've been mistaken for pre-rendered goodness in last year's E3 was now proven 100% to be actual gameplay. Well, sort of - plenty of the moves seemed quite scripted, in the vein of Shenmue. This is no Shenmue though. If anything, in the worst case scenario, it could be "The Bouncer" of PS3's launch (anybody remember that PS2 showcase?): a semi-worthless game with the sole purpose of showing what the machine is capable of before launch. But it didn't seem too bad at all, this Heavenly Sword. Entertaining as hell, methinks. In fact, so many of the PS3 games seemed faultlessly smooth and pretty, that it's safe to say a new era of gaming is dawning on us. Sure, thank Nintendo for innovating yet again in gaming interfaces and content. Sure, give X-Box its' due for introducing hi-def gaming and hard drives in our livingrooms. But the only system that makes my skin itch, my hands shake and my heart race - and, occasionally, my blood boil - is PS3. Now, if only the price game down a bit. :( |
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Ophecks and Qrter I love you both. about the xbox: It's basically a specialized PC. Yep, I couldn't have said it better. Thats all it is and just like any PC it will be obsolete in 6 months. Why just not upgrade your current computer and use that $400+ for a new video card or cpu and then you can play oblivion as well as half life 2, etc... And lets not forget the other features of your current desktop like: downloading pr0n, browsing the internet, keyboard + mouse (superior gaming control), high resolution monitor (as opposed to most tv's), massive file storage, music/mp3 workstation/stereo, etc etc etc. And shit! If you have a laptop you can bring that fucker anywhere. Lets see the xbox try and go portable. Yes I know xbox can hold mp3s and crap but now you have to spend more time and effort transfering them to the tiny 20 gig harddrive. And if you didn't get the removable harddrive version you're kinda fucked if you plan on putting more than 14 gigs of shit on your xbox. Another fantastic idea from microsoft: "Xbox Live Silver is free of charge and allows users to create a profile, join on message boards, access Microsoft's Xbox Live Arcade, and talk to other members. Silver members are not allowed to play any games online." OH GOOD, I've always wanted to pay a subscription to play online. Can't blame microsoft though. Even selling their premium system for $525 still doesn't make up for manufacturing costs of the system so they gotta make up for that lost cash somehow. The only good thing is the 3.2 mghz processor. whoopeee. I can go buy a 3.4 if I really felt insecure about my penis size. |
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so Oblivion has/had no chance at E3 this year ? ? |
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I'm not saying its about image, or marketing hype, or the cheesy names or whatever. I was just saying that there are a vast majority of gamers out there who just buy shit for one of my 4 reasons. Most people here (on xlt) do not fit into those categories at all. If you really have a boner for a certain game, then go get it if you really think its worth half a grand. Otherwise the rest of us can utilize some self control and wait for any xbox title to come out on PC. Also, I did forget to mention that xbox has a really crappy selection of games right now so another reason to wait on buying one. I did say that the Pstation has some great games. Thats why I bought one. Ico, Shadow of C, etc are all amazingly mindblowing but its just that the PS2 as a console didn't live up to all my expectations. I got a dusty ethernet port on the back of mine thats drying up faster than an old woman's vagina living in the middle of the desert. And eventually I might sell it in about 3-4 years and get a PS3 but theres no way in hell i'm paying for a brand new one for $550. It seems like more and more - all these e3 wars are starting to look like a car show. Boost your ego and hide your small penis by shelling out lots of money for a fancy system. Remember graphics don't make a game fun, but it might get you laid. lol |
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I think the PS3 will probably be pretty good, but why is it that Sony is scared to do pretty much anything new? Their controller is pretty much the same now, lots of the same games coming out, and none of the things I've seen from it make me particularly excited... especially the price tag. I guess the 360 is in a similar situation, but right now I'm really enjoying watching every game at E3 right from my 360, which makes it worth it. Plus, it didn't cost me $600. Of course, the lack of innovation is excluding the the features they've nabbed from their competitors, but I'll let that go. I'm much more excited about the Wii (and it's price tag) at this point. Yes, Wii's excite me. |
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Seriously PS3's downfall is the price and that cant be helped. Blu-ray is the way to be. Nintendos price is friendly to everyone although the third party support always seems to be weak. (cue 85 more pario party games) Xbox 360 didnt really do much for me. Its there but games lack content (Tigerwoods 06) |
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A bit excited, aren't Wii? |
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they're only computer games |
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it's only language. |
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British Council linguists have recently discovered it's all more about englisch than english. which puts the irish english straight into closet. scary ! |
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computer games are time-wasting past times.. but they're fun. yeah. so. great. hardly warrant an awful lot of discussion though, do they? language is the mother of all thought. i'm not saying "they're only computer games" and shunning their discussion because i'm not into or interested in them, i'm saying it because they hardly deserve the attention they get, considering what they are. |
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what're you on about, obi? they've found the influence of german-speakers' English on the language itself greater than any other? |
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Stoner- all your points are valid... but ultimately, it's all moot. Tons of people have already considered and dismissed the points your making. HDTV gaming is a big thing now. Playing games on a big TV is always going to better than on a monitor, and I think a very hefty chunk of 360 owners are people that got it for their home theater. Big selling point. I bought one with mostly for that, I know a few other people that have, as well. A PC would not suffice for that role. And show me how the 360 is going to be obsolete in 6 months. There's no software on the horizon that suggest that. And then there's Halo. Even if you don't like it, that doesn't matter. It's fun. Re-Sony- I don't understand your stance... it didn't meet your expectations. OK. By no means are you required to be a Sony fan. You say you don't like the selection of games, and that you don't play online... cool... yet millions of other people buy PS2 games by the armfuls, and millions more play online all the time. I just played Metal Gear Online on Monday. Why not just say ''I don't like the PS2, its games don't appeal to me'' and then move on, rather than basically say something akin to ''people only buy the PS2 and its games because they're sheep''. Arrogant, and objectively wrong anyway. Regarding your comment about E3, I agree. Just macho posturing. But don't be brainwashed... there are always going to be tons of little ''art-house'' games that don't get attention at shows like this. The PS2 has the most... Gamecube had a ton of them, even Xbox has a lot of gems that never get hyped (Sega's games alone justified buying an Xbox, as far as I'm concerned). If anyone's buying into the graphics/flashiness media blitz, it's you, not Sony gamers. You can't seem to look past the hype and realize that there's much more to it than that, even if the media doesn't make a big deal about it. PS- I liek you to. But u r such a fanboy lol |
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Box Bob- good posts, I agree that Heavenly Sword looks wonderful. It's just balls-to-the-wall action, and fucking amazing looking... must everything be ''innovative''? Why can't games simply be ''fun''? That game looks insanely fun, hot shit. Afrika caught my eye, too, not even sure what kind of game that is. Resistance looks great, Insomniac are money. The new Ratchet and Clank is supposed to be jaw dropping... that's my favorite platform series going right now, though I'll see how Mario Galaxies turns out. I thought Gran Turismo was a pointless and underwhelming, to be honest... it was literally just GT4 in HD. I think that was a bad omen for the Sony conference. I have no doubt that the final product will be awesome, but why show an enhanced PS2 game to break the ice at a PS3 conference? I don't get it... and I think the crowd was pretty unimpressed, too. The game I was most disapointed to not see/hear anything about... the new Devil May Cry. And the price is indeed depressing. Doesn't matter much to me though, I'll pay. Other games I'm looking forward to- Alan Wake on Xbox 360. I'm not even sure what kind of game it is, but it looks like some kind of nice moody adventure in the Silent Hill mold. A Resident Evil game was announced for Wii yesterday, that's worth making a fuss over... actually, that's my most anticipated game for Wii, not Mario or Zelda. I'm hoping for a souped up RE4. I'm not a big fan of the Wii-mote, but it will shine the most for games like RE. Here's the trailer, a robust 15 minutes. This is what next-gen gaming is all about, for me. I want gaming to advance as an art, first and foremost, input devices are the least of gaming's problems... games play fine, it's the artistic aspects that need to be advanced. This game is going to be an experience. |
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if irrelevant discussion is at all possible - this is it: discussing whether something is objectively worthy to be discussed. jesus CHRIST! so what - you don't like computergames, you don't like talking about computergames. then just FUCK OFF out of the thread and devote all your spare time pestering people with pedantic comments about mistakes in spelling made on a motherfucking messageboard of all places, YES, for that IS important! or better yet, keep commenting every other time tridenti says something that annoys you, a much better way to spend your time. in short - don't make yourself look like an ignorant dickhead. |
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In the grand scheme of things, video games are about as impactful and signifigant as, say, Frank Zappa... which is to say, not signifigant at all. What are we doing, if not wasting time and having fun until we croak? Video games are just another way to enjoy yourself. And there's plenty of substance to them, a big reason I'm into them are the composers. I'd take Keiichi Suzuki over any of the artists discussed on the first page of XLT. (except maybe Tuxedomoon...) |
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Ooh, this cat has claws! pwned But yeah, that's pretty much it right there. What you do with your spare time is no more substantial than what Tridenti does when he plays with his Wii-wii. I'd think someone that loves music (and Zappa) so much would know better and be more open-minded. |
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don't get too nervous, i'm out of beer already :) cheers and hugs. |
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i think you're underestimating zappa's influence but i get your point. you seem to think that "wasting time" is as significant a preoccupation as having fun, yeah, we differ on this one obviously so i'll let that one lie. yes videogames are fun, but they represent just more time spent by people staring at screens instead of interacting properly.. and what better note than that to |
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you can't be saying "wasting time" about Morrowind...or Oblivion...cause they're ultimate games....they're games of games. if you've played Morrowind you don't need to play any other game in this world. cause Morrowind is perfect. |
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They're not a waste of time at all, though. There's a lot of games that try hard to be more than just ''fun''. Metal Gear being the most obvious example. It's got ridiculously talented visual artists doing the graphics, accomplished flim composers doing the music, and a nice hybrid style of storytelling that incorporates post-modernism, melodrama, what-have-you. No more a waste of time than listening to Frank Zappa or Tuxedomoon while posting on XLT. But yeah, I could argue about this all day, but something tell me it would be fruitless. Like dancing about architecture, yeah. |
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