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well the clever people hide from the rozzers @D <- a cyclops |
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dude you need to bust some heads! force em to listen to niiice tunes :) |
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Will do. SAWII is the reason drugs exsist, and vica versa. It will be quality than they can take, Muahahahaha! |
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saw II is a drug by itself as i said before music is my drug althoufh some maria is always wellcome hehehe |
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SAW2 does enough for me WITHOUT chemicals. I like it in it's pure state. |
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It is in human nature to explore. Just as some do dangerous things like climb mountains and sail uncharted seas of the Earth risking life, some of us feel the need to explore the uncharted territories of different states of mind. Just because you don't find any benefit in drug use doesn't mean that nobody else can benefit. It's not right to deny yourself of a serious curiosity. It's simply a matter of the person. I'm offended by who ever said drugs eat away your soul. I've done my share of chemical ingestion and I'd like to think my soul is as vibrant as any. Those who seem to let drugs eat away their soul, imo, are the ones who let drugs amplify the shit that was already there. We are not so easily manipulated. We all have shit and drug use a sure way to be forced to face the shit, and if your not ready to heal those issues they are going to become quite prominant in your life. |
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Well put Slugo!!THE BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!!! |
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I should say that I have had higher moments in life experiencing live music without drugs than any of my drug experiences though. Music is definitely key to getting high. Sometimes when listening to music I feel like I'm drinking distilled essence of the artists soul, pure as it comes. |
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HA! (to big B) |
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I love drugs, if you're smart enough to controll them, then more power to ya! The PC was popularized by long-haired LSD hippies. The righest man in the world practically re-invented the stuff while at harvard with his geeky FRI-ends. Know your limits, research, research, research. For those interested: www.EROWID.com - a great resource for those curious about drukqs. ME WANT APHEX ACID! |
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so how do all you anti-druggists feel about aphex twin's drug-induced music then? and don't try say it ain't , because IT IS! |
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as a society we're all exposed to more drugs then we could ever possibly imagine, i.e. soda pop (look at the ingredients some time) aderol aspirin tylenol caffeine nicotine all the other crap that they put in tobbacco for "flavor" (i really should quit) all the hormones in all the meat you eat, and believe it or not: all the hormones in the vegetables you eat, all these things alter your body, mind, and whatever so the only advice i have to give, is don't do something just because it's legal and PLEASE don't do something just because it's illegal yada yada (dedicated to terry fick, august 19 '81- june 7 '01, and i don't think i need to explain what killed him) |
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marlowe, define "drug induced" and then i'll be happy to debate the topic |
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Ooh, soda is the worst. The benefits to drawback ratio for soda is very low... I'm thinking about droping it for crack. |
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soda pop- never, ick! Give me milk. aderol- never aspirin-never tylenol- I never get sick caffeine- never nicotine- I'd rather die! I am one drug free son of a gun! Well, as for the food things, you're REALLY grasping there... I guess I take hormones, then. And as for Aphex's drug induced music, which music IS that? How can you tell what tracks he did while on acid, etc... I'm sure the tracks he did while NOT fucked up in the head are a hell of a lot better. Drugs don't help these musicians, that's shit rumours that got out while the Beatles and others were experimenting with marijuana. It was the cool thing to do. In later interviews, Lennon always pointed out that the music the Beatles recorded while high was ''shite''. They'd think it was great, then go in the next day to listen to last night's work, and erase the drug induced shit. Even the CRAZIEST Beatles songs were done while NOT on drugs. They couldn't make tracks under the influence of chemicals. And of COURSE people think they're more creative when stoned/high/tripping/whatever... they're on DRUGS! They'll think anything. The walls are trying to eat me, there's a black hole in ground about to swallow me up, my music is good... |
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I believe Ophecks has a point. Most music made while on drugs is shit. However, bands like Grateful dead or Coil claim to have been influenced by their experiences while on acid. In fact, here's an excerpt from COIL's interview in WIRE, I think it explains a lot: PC: I'd have to say, though, for me there's no difference between chemically altered states, spiritual states and magic. Psychedelics specifically. . . it opens you up to something that objectively exists. Well, all experience is subjective, there is no other kind but the places that you go to with those drugs are just as real for you as. . . Croydon. JB: I mean these places have been accurately mapped by certain people including John Dee. Certain people can access these areas, like Amazonian shamen, Terrence McKenna, certain people. Some people using their 'maps' precisely will go to the same place and have comparable experiences - the equivalent of geographical regions. You go there and you see what is there. PC: Having said that I would also say that I think that taking those drugs in an environment where there are loud noises and bright lights and it's difficult to breathe is totally detrimental to the experience you have when you're on them. I mean we did go to a lot of raves but that's how we worked that out. I certainly wouldn't recommend that. |
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the only good thing i think is that you get more emotional when i am drunk. it can end up with a really nice melodie with a lousy prroduction. i dont know really? |
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i must be drunk right now cause i cant spell correct |
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so, ophecks, having never done drugs you claim to be some kind of expert on the experience? if you have never done drugs, how can you tell what it feels like? i can't believe the narrow-mindedness of some of you -- just spouting out trite rubbish, ie "The walls are trying to eat me, there's a black hole in ground about to swallow me up, my music is good..." when jimi hendrix asks "are you experienced?" i believe your answer will be "no" MUSIC ------- jimi hendrix led zeppelin the who de la soul the byrds the stooges donovan bob dylan louis armstrong john coltrane the doors charlie parker LITERATURE ETC ---------------- james joyce lord byron hunter s thompson robert anton wilson philip k dick ken kesey tom wolfe aldous huxley ...now you may come back and say "look! some of them died because they took drugs!" well, so what if some overdosed (people overdose on things other than drugs constantly) - the beauty they created outlasts their physical mortality - we could all go at any time, and living life by the rules made up to pander to rich capitalists is just wrong... ganja was made illegal not because people were getting high but because hemp was cheaper than wood and rockefeller didn't want to lose money. some people have addictive personalities - some people like to self-destruct... it is normally the loud majority that get mistaken for the quiet minority. |
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well stated canerfold. just because drugs aren't for everyone, it doesn't mean nobody should do them. i did my fair share of exploration; most of it was good, some of it was bad but i wouldn't trade any of those experiences for anything. I know that my life is very different than it would have been. my life philosophy, and perspective has been positively effected by my experiences. just be careful and make sure you experiment in a safe place with safe people and take it slow. |
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I hear some good points here. This thread turned to be quite good after all. The problem with drugs in our society is social more than health. Where other cultures use different drugs for sacred/ social/ ritual reasons, we have this stupid recreational use of drugs. That's a big part of the drugs problem. |
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Oh, by the way, I think Coltrane's best music was made after he stopped using heroin (after love supreme, that is), but that's just my opinion. He was such a spiritual searcher that drugs were just a small part of it. |
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yeah evol, i don't regret anything. if i did i wouldn't be able move on. every moment is a lesson and to regret a moment is to not progress. i agree that making music while on drugs is not usually a good thing, but a lot of music is inspired by drug experience and not necessarily made while high or whatever. example: the beachboys. you may think "pop crap" but that's only the stuff you hear on the radio. like the beatles, they began making simple pop sounds. the album "pet sounds" came out after what's his name began trying out the ganja and who knows if there was anything else involved, but its lush. a huge step forward. and one of their albums made the hmv top psychedelic albums, same one the features music has the right to children. then again the drug experimentation is not necessarily the cause of the new direction in music and might just be a corolation. trying out some new states of mind, some new forms of musical expression, and its all good! |
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