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started playing after i got home from a party, and just now realized its after 5:00am... Time flies by so damn fast when I play this game. |
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it is frightening ! i love the field exploration....how vast it is! i wanted to go from one village to a river which didnt seem ^really far away on the map and it took me four hours :D and loads of goblins altercations. |
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oh gosh I just spent what basically for me is quite a wad of money on a new graphics card.. it's actually making me hyperventilate slightly, as I really don't have the money for this.. and it's only a Radeon 9600.. now I hope I can install it, seeing as I'm not sure this computer doesn't use PCI-Express instead of AGP. |
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oh jesus it works! |
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also jesus: the xbox 360 version of the game got a whopping 9.6 over at (whose reviews I generally respect the most) - no element scores below 9.. |
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I got the 360 version today, and this game is fucking unbelievable. Gorgeous graphics, amazing sound (Jeremy Soule is such a great composer!) and an element of exploration that is unparalleled. There are some weird glitches like the sound cutting out at some points, once I even fell through the floor and drowned inside a block. But it's all good. It's all very fucking good. Atmosphere is oozing and my pants are soaked. |
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it is good.. oh the fun of sneaking and slapping down goblins with arrows..! |
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Hey guys, check this out. |
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WTF??? I wasn't even interested in this game untill I saw that. |
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LOL@Ophecks ! One other good point of the game is that for some mounths i wont be spending money on other distractions, this is the best part of good and long games. |
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roommate just bought this.. I'll borrow it from him eventually and hope it will run and that it possibly even knows how to handle a dual core (which means I'll get awesome performance).. not likely, though... |
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it is quite incredibly good. oh dear, oh dear. |
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has anyone encountered a problem where the game exits for no apparent reason? his computer matches and surpasses the recommended specs on everything but the video card, which is a geforce 6600 instead of a 6800, but since the 6600 is the recommended and his computer has a few more ghz than the recommended we figured it'd weigh out somehow..? |
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it has crashed a few times for me, but never at a really frustrating point. it does crash a lot when I quit the game, which is strange, but doesn't matter that much, ofcourse. |
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I was playing the game on my friends super computer over the weekend, and I must say the game feels incomplete in a few places. A lot of animations are fucked up in 3rd person view...they say you aren't meant to play in 3rd person, but why would they put it in at all if they didn't plan on finishing it? Fighting is cumbersome at times, the controls seems a bit weak and aren't always responsive (i.e. switching from attacking to blocking). I haven't gotten very far, but from what I've seen leveling isn't very exciting; you choose three attributes to put points in (i.e. strenth, intelligence, etc.) and that's that, no new skills or spells or chocolate cupcakes. But yeah, it's fun to run around and junk... |
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qrter, can you tell me how it runs on your machine? I still have my 2500+/512/R9600Pro and I wonder if the gameplay would be smooth enough. |
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yeah, it's not crashing when it's important, it just randomly closes the application... |
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I forgot to complain about two things: 1.) Character customization is great for the face, I spent hours tweaking my character's peanut-shaped face...but then there were absolutely no options at all for the body. Not even the rudimentary skinny, normal, fat. 2.) I was very frustrated when I gave the inn lady money for lodging and went to my room only to find that I had to pick the lock...which I couldn't, even after destroying about 100 picks. |
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the fighting is done pretty well, I think. it's a big improvement over Morrowind anyway. 3rd person is handy for certain situations, like if you want to jump over a tripwire. I wouldn't for the life of me know why anyone would want to play it in 3rd person, though. it's much more immersive in 1st. leveling isn't very exciting, no. then again- personally I don't play games like these to be able to level - frankly, I don't really care. you learn skills by using them in the game and by getting training from experts. similarly, you get new spells by training your spell skills and by buying them. overall, it's a pretty good levelling system because it's based on direct actions and not on a experience point system based mysteriously on whether you finish a quest or not. the character custimisation is a bit silly - you can design every square inch of your face but nothing about your body. the inn thing sounds like you went for the wrong room or the game bugged out. |
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Answer me man. I'm on the verge of spending money here. |
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The problem with ''sandbox'' games like this, and it's pretty unavoidable, is that it's like a compilation of dumbed-down mechanics and aspects from more specialized games. You can play as a thief/ninja/spy, but the sneaking is sloppy and undeveloped compared to a Splinter Cell, Hitman or Metal Gear. You can be an all-out warrior, but the combat is uninvolved and requires very little skill. This isn't Devil May Cry. So certain aspects of these games always feel ''incomplete'' and sort of unsatisfying, especially if you compare them to more focused games. I guess the real appeal of games like this is the convergence of all the aspects and such. There's so much to do and lots of ways to do it. There's nothing here that other games don't handle ten times better, but man, there's something to be said for sheer, shameless size and scope. And I'm finding the quests and world way more interesting than Morrowind. As for the levelling, yeah, it's tedious and not fun. A lot of people are just taping their control sticks forward and walking away for hours while their guy levels up their Acrobatics and Sneaking! And why not, I guess... it's not like levelling that crap up presents any sort of interesting challenge anyway. Overall the game is fucking awesome, although to be honest, I've got my difficulty slider pretty low and have eschewed pointless item collection quests (and I'm a millionaire). I originally didn't plan on doing that, but I realize I've grown really tired of some of the more redundant RPG conventions... when I ignore them (and it's easy to in this game), the game chugs along, always keeping me busy seeing cool things and hearing different stories, and the experience as a whole is great. I'm enjoying it more and more the deeper I get. |
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I can't believe you didn't mention Thief and did mention Splinter Cell.. man, Thief owns all those so called stealth games. actually, I'm pretty impressed by the sneak system - it works really well, I use it a lot. |
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As for the levelling, yeah, it's tedious and not fun. A lot of people are just taping their control sticks forward and walking away for hours while their guy levels up their Acrobatics and Sneaking! And why not, I guess... it's not like levelling that crap up presents any sort of interesting challenge anyway. that doesn't make sense - leveling isn't much fun, so lets make it even more tedious. what's against just playing the game, having fun and then discovering now and then that you've leveled up? |
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I run it at 800x600, but then I can crank up some other stuff, like reflecting water, reflecting windows, etc. it looks great to me, slows down a bit at times, but not a lot. |
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I dunno, I like Thief a lot but it's a different experience from a something like Splinter Cell, which is all stealth with no miscelleanea. I probably like Deadly Shadows more than any Splinter Cell game, but the stealth isn't as polished. Lighting is less advanced, jumping is floaty, enemies are morons and too easy to take down and survive encounter with, etc. Yeah the sneaking is cool, just that... even THAT is governed by arbitrary statistics, statistics that aren't challenging to level up. Like, I made the mistake of making my guy a big strong dude, and people catch me so easily. The dipshit Cultists in the sewers didn't see me, but they knew I was there because my I hadn't done much stealth up to that point. Whereas some people have characters that are almost invisible in broad daylight, merely because they've spend a lot of time building up their stealth by standing behind people, crouched, and walking back and forth for an hour. It's just dumb and RPGish. (but it's still very fun, sneaking is never not fun) |
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It's not tedious to pull tricks like that, they can go jack off and come back a superior thief! Problem is, to get to a point where you can do a certain thing satisfactorily, you don't really need to overcome obstacles or actually improve YOUR skill, the game just calculates how many menial tasks you've done and stuff and awards you skills even if you happen to still suck as a player. I can see why people enjoy levelling up, but I personally don't really get anything out of it anymore, and a lot of people are just exploiting a flawed system because they don't either. This hasn't affected my enjoyment of the game at all though, I'm getting what I wanted out of it, it's fun. The game lets you do your thing, and if your thing isn't hardcore RPGins anymore, it's cool. |
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Thanks qrter. I hope there is another Thief game in the making already. |
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This game looks gay. I'd prefer play Mario Bros DS. |
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This game is not gay. But my sources tell me that Mario is gay. |
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this game is AMAZING!!! every problem i had with morrowind has been remedied - and it looks so beautiful, no more slowdown and fighting is NOT TEDIOUS ANYMORE THANK FUCKING CHRIST. stellar game - it makes me want an Xbox 360, just for the game. I've been commandeering the system and game at my mate's house whenever I can - haha. |
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2.) I was very frustrated when I gave the inn lady money for lodging and went to my room only to find that I had to pick the lock...which I couldn't, even after destroying about 100 picks. haha, dude, i think you went to the wrong room... |
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ah, but what I'm saying is - why not just play the game and have fun, who cares about the statistics? |
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do you know what gay means |
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probably not, I'm afraid. Looking Glass always envisioned it as a trilogy and looking at the ending of Deadly Shadows.. it think it also didn't sell very well. |
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well, it runs on my comp, but only uses one core (thus it's only running on 2,8 ghz), and it's a bit slow.. also, there seems to be some weird clip/texture error.. either parts of stuff is going through itself or parts of stuff has texture blinking on and off... |
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on what kind of resolution? with all the extra bits switched on? you could have a look at the forums over at elderscrolls.com - plenty of threads about tweaking and optimalisation there. |
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ah, but what I'm saying is - why not just play the game and have fun, who cares about the statistics? Agreed, that's what I'm doing. But that doesn't mean the game doesn't have flaws that need to be fixed in the future. Morrowind had a myriad of them, and a lot of them were addressed. I'm really just an old lady, I like to bitch. I could, would and have gone on for 10 paragraphs about what the GTA games need to improve on, but the bottom line is I've had as much fun playing that series as any. I don't want to play games if I can't bitch about them and look forward to the day when they suck less. Sandbox games, man. Sandbox games. |
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well, it's not so much about there being bugs - bugs are annoying and should be fixed. it's more that when people find exploits that they'll spend a lot of time using those, which kind of beats the point why you're playing the game in the first place, for me at least. |
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I think some people are missing the point of the leveling system in oblivion. If you're running around in circles trying to level up athletics and things of that nature, then you're still playing oblivion like a traditional "kill this monster, gain 500 exp" RPG. The beauty of it, to me, is that I can just go about my merry way in the gameworld, doing whatever I please, and I never have to stop and check some arbitrary number like 3502053/3770505 experience until next nevel. Which is good for me since I am compulsive about checking stuff like that. I just like how natural leveling up feels, and the AI difficulty in the game scales to roughly your level, so you can see that Bethesda really meant for there not to be any long and tedious "leveling up times" just so you can beat that next boss, like in countless other RPGs. Not saying you all aren't entitled to your view, but I'm just surprised more people don't see the leveling system as revolutionary. |
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Fair point. Personally I think the real-time, more-active-and-interactive-than-ever gameplay just doesn't gel with some of the archaic and arbitrary character building elements. I wish there was a more intuitive way rather than ''do stuff and your guy will automatically be less visible somehow, even if you still suck''. But I don't have an alternative solution and I'm a hypocrite because I've exploited this game like crazy. It's hard for some people to resist doing that, since the levelling up process isn't exactly an engrossing challenge, it's just time consuming. Some people just need to pad their stats or they can't play the way they want to play. Hence why so many thieves are just saying ''fuck it'' and exploiting the sneaking trick. Bottom-line, it's an RPG so I should just accept this. I've played 25 hours, and had tons of fun. BTW, has anyone did the ''Paranoia'' quest? I want to know some possible outcomes, I think I fucked up. |
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There were stranger franchise resurrections in the past (Alien). |
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Good points again, but like I said, there are certain things people want to do and certain ways people want to play, but they can't accomplish that until their stats are built up to a certain point. And it's just too time consuming for some people. I experienced a change of heart recently and wanted to alter my style and be stealthy, but I found I couldn't do it well because my stats were too low. You just can't ignore this stuff sometimes and ''go on your merry way''. My fault for not sneaking enough and choosing the wrong path? Maybe, but it's still annoying and I'm not looking forward to building up my sneaking. Not an interesting challenge. I do like this system more than a lot of Japanese RPGs where you just need to kill a lot of cannon fodder, then you'll be able to beat the boss. And I don't have any bright ideas, just criticisms. |
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hmm, not that strange, seeing as all the Alien films did rather well, financially.. |
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yeah, I did the "paranoia" quest. it all went a bit pear-shaped for me too.. |
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800x600 was the highest it'd run on with my comp... and I turned off all those fancy lighting thingies and distant land just to be safe, and I haven't bothered checking what it's like with them on because I fear it may just make everything silly... |
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*run smoothly on |
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I guess I was lucky enough to have picked a set of skills that suit me enough that I don't want to change. I hear what you're saying about switching skills not being an interesting challenge. On the bright side, once you have plenty of money (which you probably already do, it doesnt take that long), you can always pay trainers to advance your skills faster. by the way, have you tried taking your boots off completely when sneaking? even if your sneak skill is low, it's pretty easy to creep up behind people if you do it barefoot. Remember to walk, even though its really slow it's the best way for low levels to remain undetected. |
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no, that is not the case. |
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