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Now, lets discuss Machine Drum - Now You Know [MERCK 005]. Details can be found Any messages NOT related to this particular release will be mooned Thanks to Mooken for introducing this through the . I think it's a really good blend of electronica, though the influences shine through alot, I like the energy in the tracks. |
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i thought this was about the Elektron Machinedrum |
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sorry to let you down |
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I like it |
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i find his stuff boring - and people calling it hiphop makes my skin crawl |
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well, I would say it's a cross between BoC and Prefuse 73 ...but definatly not hiphop...if this is hiphop, Mr. Oizo would be hiphop too |
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why? I've never heard this, but I found some samples and it sounds a lot like hip-hop to me... |
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I think this is machine drum's best. Very crunchy, and the stuttering vocals which are now more or less cliché appeals to me :) My favorite tracks: Wishbone be broken, Jewlea, Thanks very much, Hello my future. |
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why is it not hip hop? cause its not. why do i find it boring? because it doesnt offer anything interesting to me. - i remember i used to speak to him through instant messenger and we got into an argument about what hiphop is...it was comical...esp after i saw pics of him - hahaha |
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Mr Oizo is hiphop in the same way that Req is hiphop. |
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Well, there you go. You have stated twice that you find it boring. Give yourself a pat on the back. |
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It's "severly electronified hiphop" as merck themselves put it ;-) |
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well, it's ok that you find it boring, but what I heard is most definately hip hop! |
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Glad to introduce you to it Junktion, Now You Know is an awsome album. Big Beauty Hose is definatel my fave track on it Bidnezz is a lot more glitchy,crisp and electronic, also cool. Offs is my fave track on that. |
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i was answering a question you fuck |
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I didn't say that you weren't. |
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What would you consider hiphop anyway? If your using the culture as a reference, then it isn't. But if you are looking at from a strictly musical standpoint, then I would have to dissagree. |
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culturally it couldnt be less "hip hop" if it tried musically its not hip hop...because hip hop is a culture |
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What is hip hop Mr Filter? Is DJ Shadow hip hop? |
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What I meant is, does it resemble the music of the hiphop culture? Yes. But it doesn't fit into the hiphop culture at all? No. |
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hip hop is changing son |
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do you ever stop to think about the bullshit you post? |
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v2? |
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i would say yes, shadow is hip hop drumachine doesnt seem to employ what i appreciate in hip hop - no turntablism, no samples, no b-boy (type) culture, no mcing (chopping up shitty vocals does NOT count) its lap-hop - i would never consider it hip hop, ever i cant sit down and say, wow, i know this guy listens to erc b & rakim, or old soul records, or really dug in a shitty dusty crate for that break hence...it aint hip hop to me stretch the boundaries, fine, im all for it, but i cant consider what he does hiphop |
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yeah for the worst |
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yes, constantly, but i dont consider my posts bullshit i consider the predictable ass-kissing i read in other posts bullshit do you really just want another member to agree with everything you say? if so ill gladly leave this board |
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you're probably one of those people who believe classical music could only be made between 1700 and ~1850 |
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and youre probably one of those people who consider machine drum hip hop ooooooooooooh mud-slinging is fun |
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I only know that machine drum is shit. I'm not debating his hiphopness |
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im expecting people who liked the latest autechre album to not consider shitty electronic music hip hop...most likely not gonna happen so ill give up arguing what is and is not hiphop but i agree with vlari...boring music |
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it sounds like you just don't want it in hip hop because you don't like it... what do you call prefuse? |
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i dont want it in hip hop because no part of it sounds like hip hop - it doesnt hold any properties in it that remind me of any hip hop record ever... what do you call prefuse? same thing as i call machine drum - boring |
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and, unfortunately, edan is coming around in may with prefuse - hopefully edan will go on first so i can leave before p73 plays |
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it doesnt hold any properties in it that remind me of any hip hop record ever so when you listen to music you expect to be reminded of other albums already made instead of hearing new things? is prefuse hip hop? (yes) |
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so when you listen to music you expect to be reminded of other albums already made instead of hearing new things? an album can remind me of something older or different and i can still hear new things in it... |
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so if there was an mc on machine drum, would it be hip hop? |
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"so ill give up arguing what is and is not hiphop" |
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I don't care, answer the question |
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hip hop is not a culture. hip hop is fashion, and styles that significantly appropriate hip hop fashion can be said to be "hip hop." hip hop doesn't belong to anybody, and anybody can take from hip hop whatever they want. i don't think i've really heard enough machine drum to say whether or not it's hip hop. but i'm inclined to go with drunken mastah on this one. |
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oh, hip hop is a culture! that's for sure.. it is, however, also a musical style that, while it isn't completely separate from the culture, is a thing all on its own, and the music doesn't have to follow the trends of the culture and the culture doesn't have to follow the trends of the music. the music isn't some mystical entity that you only gain divine access to if you're a part of the culture; you don't have to be a gangsta to appreciate gangsta rap, you don't have to be black to appreciate hip hop, you don't have to be anything, you just have to.. well, you need ears/a sense of hearing (or a sense of touch, as I am told deaf people still enjoy music by feeling the vibrations). |
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machine drum is dope. it sucks that you can't appreciate his music. i've personally paid out of my pocket to have him perform at a park party i had. try listening to Urban Biology. just listen with an open mind and try to visualize what he's done. to the dude that said that hiphop is a fashion and nothing more - you've obviously never been to a real hiphop show or seen a b-boy in action. many people only "participate" in the fashion side of hiphop, but in reality, there is so much more to it than just your clothing, hair cut, etc. it's about the rhythm, it's all about the rhythm. everything else is just bullshit. |
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What are you talking about??? A lot of great rap and hiphop was done with drum machines. Its not all just juggling beats, and rapping. |
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And prefuse 73 is hiphop. He has been embraced by many of the icons in hiphop culture, as well has having his productions being accepted by black radio. |
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i cant recall how many times ive heard the true-roots hip hop argument being used against stuff like prefuse or machine drum or anticon, when its really just an unfair reactionary response to people who "feel they know what the genre implies". stop being uptight about it. people use broad genre terms all the time in reference to what they talk about; not everyone has a huge fucking back history on every single genre, because you could go in circles in claiming "what is REALLY something". you can say something has hip hop styling without being true to the roots. its people that complain about this that annoy me. its like if i say i listen to "hardcore" when i talk about old man gloom and neurosis, then you get 'real true fans' who start bitching at you by saying "ITS NOT TRUE HARDCORE, ITS METALCORE". its entirely possibly to take influences from hip hop and inject them into what you are doing, and calling it loosely, and NON LITERALLY, hip hop. who cares? why does it even matter to you? do i have to be a black man from detroit in order to make detroit techno? do i have to live there and "feel its culture" in order to call my music detroit techno? does anyone? culture is important yes, but dont fucking bullhorn it around. people arent going to WANT to learn about anything you speak of if you just start complaining about how wildly it gets used. people can still like the sound but not be part of the culture. what youre implying is that in order to appreciate it you have to live it. not everyone can live the culture, so should they limit themselves to what they know? even if its just a small branching out--even if it doesnt incorporate all aspects of hip hop culture, people can still enjoy it. theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, and what machine drum or any other artists do. so dont fucking tell people what is and what isn't right about it, its up to them to decide how they feel about it. |
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Well said. |
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Altho you sound like you could use a smoke after a long rant like that. |
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totally that kid knows whats up |
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word! I'm whiter than snow, I love hip-hop, I'm no gangsta (I live in norway for gods sake!) but I still love gangsta rap, I've never been a part of any hip hop culture, but yet the music is one of the things closest to my heart that said, machine drum and prefuse are most definately hip hop. |
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Very well said. |
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i still disagree, but i suppose we probably have different notions about what constitutes a culture. "culture" is a very flexible word and to really get to the bottom of this issue is beyond the scope of a message board, given that hip hop has been around for many years now and represents the dominant movement in popular culture of the past 20+ years. i think there is a powerful desire to attibute culture-status to hip hop in general because it has become a powerful signifier of "cool" in the united states (can't speak for any other country). but hip hop is missing too much of what makes a "culture" a culture. there's no question that we could debate this for ages... |
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