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BOC are just the best group with out a doubt right now, I can relate to so much stuff that they talking about. They are so smart and they can definitly see the light. "the hexagon theme represents that whole idea of seeing reality for what it is, the raw math or patterns that make everything." |
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They understand the truth, and they see Mathematics for what it really is. "sometimes music or art or drugs can pull back the curtain for you and reveal the "wizard of oz", so to speak, busy to pushing the levers and pressing buttons. thats what maths is, the wizard." It sounds like nonsense but im sure a lot of people know what im talking about. |
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When we deal with digital, we dealing with the linear, a binary unit, just ones and zeroes. If you look at mathematics its just the same thing (negative and positive). When you get to nine you add that one to it and you’re back at 10. Back at the same one and zero. |
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Everybody dealing with positive and negative stuff, everybody got a positive and negative side etc thats all digital stuff. If you forget the positive, which is the one to the right of the zero on the number line, and forget the negative, the one to the left of the zero, and just focus on the zero, you’re focusing on the truth. If you look at history, they didn’t know about zero in Roman and Greek times. When the Romans got to 10 they used an ‘X.’ It was unknown. When Europeans went to the Crusade wars, with Prince Saladin and all that, back in 1198 and earlier, that’s when they found out about zero. |
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the europeans got this from the Arabs, who dealt with mathematics. They got the science of the zero: no beginning and no ending. The Earth ain’t flat. It’s only when you step outside the zero, to the left or the right of it, that you can get a number. Other than that it’s all in the zero, because that’s all it’s gonna add up to. You can count positive one, positive two, positive three–by the time you get to 10, what happens? The one goes back behind the zero again. Boc dealing with this too. |
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They even created "Devils In the details" out of math (they said this in the new NME interview). Its common sense right there. That came from understanding mathematics and taking a look at it in the life-form, instead of as a piece of paper with numbers. Look at it for life, and try to understand the meaning of what religion is, or God.... |
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Music is math, that’s the beauty of mathematics, u can create a beatiful track out of a complex eqaution. What seems coincidental ain’t no coincidence. I can give you over 50 things that may seem coincidental. Like there’s 64 squares on the chessboard, right? And how many codons in your DNA? 64 |
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Yeah Why is that? Why in mitosis and meiosis does a cell split into 64 different cells? What happened in 1964? I could go on. It all seems coincidental. I don’t think anything happens by chance or coincidence. I think some force makes it happen, whether you know it or not. You don’t know why it rain, but there’s a reason. So I come back and go, "Why why why why why." I’ll give you a little insight: in mathematics, seven is considered God, right? "G" for God, the seventh letter... |
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Check out this, though. "Y" is the 25th letter; two and five? 7 Seven And the ultimate answer to "Why?" is what? God. |
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To bring up a much philosophised point, I believe the universe is binary, rather than analogue, but is not (and cannot be) a simulation like the matrix. I'mm writing a paper on this called "Binary Reality Theory". |
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Damn, that blew my mind... Thanks for posting all of that Archrival. |
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So now yall go, "Okay, that’s cool." I’ll give you another one. The Y chromosome is the smallest chromosome. It’s only found in man. And God made man in His image. Now you go, "Why?" And I say, "That’s why." Right now Im reading alot about DNA, so thats why I came with that right there. Boc has made a lot of riffs that was designed to imitate well known equations, but in musical terms. They dealin with math nah mean. The supreme mathematics. |
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I seem to be reading more & more maths books nowadays...wish I'd be a little more into it at school...there's definately a real beauty to it that didn't seem apparent all them years ago... but you gotta be real careful not to get too far into the maths side of music & forget that music without any sort of emotion in it is generally pretty sterile & not much fun to listen to... and it's easy to get caught up in numurology...get a few does of PI the movie down ya neck for an instant cure.... |
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Archrival can you name any interesting books your currently reading about DNA? I'd love to pick some up. |
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RE: Chromosomes. My girlfriend reckons the fact that as woman was made of man allegedly she oughtnt have more chromosomes than man. I disagree, women have more chromosomes (and ribs) because they were made from man. There's no way people can claim that was know when the Bible was written :) BTW Archrival, I don't know why, but when I glance at your pic I see Elvis! :) |
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Sorry, I didn't explain that I mean they took the X chromosones with them when they were removed from man. |
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To me BOCs music is like a big UFO. I get the sense that something is arriving, and its really big. Its like you know its of Earth, but you feel like its heavenly!!! It seems like its more than that. Especially when you get a good artists like BOC to give you a display of it. |
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I played some BOC to one of my lecturers last week :) |
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oops... you didn't say books did you Archrival? My bad... In any case where have you been reading about DNA? |
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BTW RE: numerology and Pi I agree, people look too hard for it e.g. they say that house number 71 relates to 8 because 7+1 = 8 etc. whihc I think is pretty lame. That said I agree with Pi's theory that God must hide stuff like his name in maths. I reckon there's loads of stuff like that that we won't find for years... |
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Ceri JC: dam you discovered my big secret!!!!!! im Elvis :) "Who gave the woman her tasteful saliva?/Who gave the vagina its fibers/And caused men the lustful urge to be inside her?/But they try to play with the ribonucleic acid/And grab their fatherless bastards born in plastic test tubes/Trapped in a cesspool/But now it’s Heavenly Archival to the rescue/Since the first atom moved out of darkness/Archrival sparked us." |
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Resident Evil: I actually read some books, plus u can find tons of info on internet. |
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Anyone who's into Maths/Music link might these... a few little animation loops i cooked up a while back...took forever to ray trace at the time but now I guess you could do it real quick... The anims are based on idea on how to translate the maths of a musical chord into a physical shape...there are some wonderful shapes created... check em out at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jand/index.html ... theres no preloaders on most of em so be a little patient whilst they load - I was teaching myself Flash so excuse the rough edges...Use the G in GERM to move onto the next shape, the M pauses the anim, the R starts it playing again...some of em have some further processing going on so they loop in odd ways, so give em a little time to run through... URL is ... Theres another one on ... it's the 3rd square from the left...(and before you ask, yep, I do like minimal interfaces..;) )...the other things on there are a version of Game of Life in Flash & a recreation of Langtons Ants, a neat life ALife thing... Let me know what you reckon...I keep meaning to put larger versions of them online somewhere as computers are a lot faster now and can handle big anims without running out of steam... |
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Thanks for info guys! |
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i'm just starting into buckminster fuller's synergetics... interesting stuff anybody else read any fuller? |
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mathematics is the language of nature |
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Mathematics really confuses me. I'm good at physics but complex maths really hurts my head. You guys really make me feel like an eegit. |
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Jand: I like that stuff, the use of the spectrum keyboard as an interface was cool. This sort of 3d stuff is the kind of graphics I'd like to get into, I've used Bryce and Poser before can you recommend any good programs for this sort of fractal/maths type images/animation? Cheers. |
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There's def something wrong in the way they teach maths in school... I'm sure theres a way to make it a lot more interesting, all I can recall is having to do the same old exercises time & time again and we weren't really given any idea on the applications of what we were learning... I think the problem is that they tend to teach things in very dicreet units and you never get to see the broader picture & how the different areas relate to each other... I shouldn;t complain too much..I actually work with my old maths teacher (altho she's not teaching anymore) which is a bit trippy..(I work with quite a few of my old teachers...pretty odd situation really...).. |
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Ceri... I used POVRAY - a freeware ray tracer - it uses Text files to describe a scene so can get a bit complicated to do thigs in but was perfect for me as I was writing a custom program that would output a series of Text files; one for each frame...which I then got POVRAY to render each frame and used another bit of freeware (Daves Targa Animator - DTA) to put them together in a .FLI file... I've only recently converted em to .SWF flash anims so I could put them on the web.....the original ones are a lot bigger on-screen than these, I really must dig em out... Do a Google on POVRAY to find out more...there are some freeware modeling programs available as well for POVRAY so you don't need to get into that Text file lark if you prefer working visually on-screen.... Think the URL for POVRAY is www.povray.org ... Runs like a demon on new PCs - I originally created these anims on a 486 so it used to take an age to render a 200 frame anim...could probably do it in 10mins now... |
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I used to make fucking vectorized objects when i was on Amiga using a soft called Vector 3d. input the coordnates of the 1st point in a 3d plan (X,Y,Z), then using a grid that simulate every plan in 2d (xy,yz,zx) you place the other points, join every point to make faces, the faces make polyz, the polygon become a 3d object. 3d object that can be imported in a "vector game construction kit" software... ahhh souvenir.... |
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Re: Working for a teacher. I know, it was really funny at A-level our teacher was a past pupil and used to call other teachers Sir or Miss even if they were the same as him. Thanks for the info BTW Jand! |
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Get you facts straight ingoramus. |
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Talking of Genes and stuff. My girlfriend's area of interest is "Evolutionary Psychology" it's about stuff like why we (society, not neccisarily us here) prefer better "groomed" people (e.g. smart suits, good hair cuts attractive tc.) because of our evolutionary "memory" from a time when alpha males in primate groups used to be groomed by the other apes (sucking up to them) and always looked tidier as a result of it. It's an interesting theory. |
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Omneignotumus: Use the follow up reply feature to make it clear who you're responding to or put their name (like I have yours) to show who you're addressing. As it is, it looks like you told me to "Get you facts straight ingoramus." If that is directed at me, without getting into a petty flame war, I'd like to point out you mis-spelt "Your" and "Ignoramus" and that recounting an annecdote (about something which I doubt you were present at) or Thanking Jand are hardly displays of ignorance. Unless of course Jand was lying (which I don't think he was) in which case why not have a go at him instead? |
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archrival... you know nothing about math |
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OK: You dont know what im talking about, dont you ever front on me like that. I know what ignorant people like u are and u know that to, just look deep inside..and you will find.... |
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devil. |
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< Information Overload > Wrrrr...wrrrrr.........pffff! pop.... |
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I kinda like math... number patterns are very cool, and beautiful... I'm fascinated with them... I never liked math much in high school, but some of the stuff I'm doing now is ok... |
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i like reading about maths here, but when i'm in school it's so bobring. this shit is interesting, these paterns and coincedinces and shit. |
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btwm could someone type out the new boc interview in NME and put it up somewhere for thoes of us that can't get NME where they live ;) |
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I can do math better while listening to Boc in the background, it makes my brain work more efficiently |
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Omneignotumus Still hasn't responded... OK: Just because you don't understand what Archrival is saying it doesn't mean that he doesn't either. Are you a maths lecturer? Have you made any discoveries in the field of advanced mathematics or physics? Or anything for that matter... |
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you people need to realize that theres a lot more artists that uses maths in their songs... afx, autechre, just to name a few... and mathematics is not the language of nature, but more like the bridge between human understanding and need of classification/structuration and what appens in the nature nature is far too random for mathematics' structure you surrely love to read about the chaos theory then |
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archrival i'm studying math as a career so I can identify with what your saying. (i'm studying math for a reason) but when you say thinks like "When we deal with digital, we dealing with the linear, a binary unit, just ones and zeroes. If you look at mathematics its just the same thing (negative and positive). When you get to nine you add that one to it and you’re back at 10. Back at the same one and zero. " is when I laugh and realize you have no idea of what you're talking about. |
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OK: Mathematics is definitly the language of nature, try to look at math from another perspective than your view. We dont talk about the same shit. I hated math in school, it sucked, it was the most boring nonsense piece of shit, but now when my brothers spark my brain cells with real knowledge aobut math, thats another thing. I bet you are one of those fucked up devils who teach math the wrong way. I use math to describe life "im studying math for a reason" |
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E-man: Ofcourse there are more artists who use math in their songs (theres tons), AE is the masters of this and AFX....Complex Math Equation :) |
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and "OK"... you know nothing about math |
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It seems like you're not trying to understand what i'm saying... I understand when you say "math is the language of nature" I can see where this tougt comes from... I really do... I'm deovting my life to math for christ's sake! altough i disagree with the "language of nature thing"... to me the universe is made of math.... as simple as that.. nothing really exists but pure math... the contemporary models of matter aren't physical they're mathematical. all that you see/feel is a product of the rules of math. but i say you kow nothing about math simply becuase you said too many stupid things in this thread that have no logic at all. |
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