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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-22 14:02 [#01847042]
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I am writing this thesis paper and I am trying to describe a specific mood / atmosphere / feeling that for lack of better words, is a type of “futuristic deja vu.” To be more specific, its a genral feeling of otherworldliness that could only lack description because of its “not yet-ness,” although it seems strangely familiar.
Typically a SCI-FI strategy, it’s not a pre-cognitive representation, nor is it post-cognitive. Rather, it’s more like perpendicularly cognitive. It’s usually characterized by a sense of stillness and sterility, but it is often visually complex and vastly encoded.
Certain things that come to mind are: -The video and graphic work of Meta -The paintings of Inka Essenhigh (more here) -The sculpture of Sarah Sze and Lee Bontecou -The general atmosphere of Aeon Flux and practically the entirety of Tron.
- And of course, the music of Autechre.
I am certain this is a form of escapism, but for this paper it needs to be discussed intelligently. I guess there's a sense of cybernet realism too all of this, but I was wondering if there is actually a term or genre for this type of work, ambiance, etc.
I think what I am getting at is, how one sees things that do not necessarily have a cultural reference in time, but can still label them as “futuristic.”
Like seriously, what the fuck does that mean? It’s interesting how “futuristic” style things are often ingrained into our visual cultural lexicon, but are often associated with limitations of a media or technology… (enter in the post-apocalyptic dialogue related to futurism)
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-22 14:04 [#01847045]
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Anyways, I’m not sure if that is clear.
I guess there’s definitely a degree of cognitive dissonance imbedded in there.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-02-22 15:15 [#01847099]
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I'm not getting it
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-22 16:24 [#01847133]
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not the same but somewhat similar is narapoia , a word coined in an Alan Nelson short story.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-02-22 16:44 [#01847140]
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cant help ya, but thanks for posting that art, its fuckin amazing!
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uzim
on 2006-02-22 16:45 [#01847143]
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interesting... i think i can see what you mean. even though i don't know of a word for that either.
for example... would some ufos and spaceships, some decades ago (when they weren't that common/well-known in movies, comics etc.), have belonged to this category of "futuristic déjà vu"? maybe this feeling happens when you mix/distort familiar elements (from the present/past) with/into unknown ones (and so, supposed to be from the future)?
nice links by the way.
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uzim
on 2006-02-22 16:57 [#01847147]
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off-topic, but some of these paintings by Inka Essenhigh have another particular quality i like, do not see often and can't name: they're abstract, but have a figurative feel. (even though some of them they are figurative, or half-figurative...)
another artist i know who makes paintings with this feeling, in a totally different style though, is Zao Wou-Ki. his works often are like landscapes; when i look at one of his paintings, most of the time it really feels like i'm looking at a landscape. yet it's all abstract. (and it's really awesome too.)
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-22 17:09 [#01847151]
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interesting, I am looking him up now. As for Inka Essenhigh, her newest work is becoming more painterly, figurative, representational, and surrealist in style. To be honest I like her flatter works better.
Another artist who i gues could be in this category is Chris Finley. more and more
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-22 17:14 [#01847152]
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whoops, the second link was supposed to be this: LAZY_TITLE
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-02-22 18:49 [#01847174]
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snorting coke while drinking gives me deja vu i don't understand the chemistry behind this.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2006-02-22 22:09 [#01847201]
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I wish I could help you on this but I don't know of any word to fit the bill of the description you've given... it seems a made-up word (such as narapoia) is one alternative.... who says you can't be the dictionary on this one? :)
by the way, if you wouldn't mind sharing this essay once it is finished, I wouldn't mind reading it or proofreading it, as the case may be.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2006-02-22 22:10 [#01847202]
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i meant to add in that first post that I think you've picked a very interesting topic to write about.. so good luck to you. hope you get an A.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-23 01:00 [#01847228]
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hey, thanks Zephyr Twin. Though I think coining a term could be the answer, I need to be very clear with my word choice and avoid sounding "cutesy" or "gimmicy."
Anyways, this is in fact a component for my MFA thesis exhibit and catalog text. I should have a dedicated text, website, etc., documenting the show when it is complete. At some point, I am also thinking about turning this into a printed manifesto, published book, and curated exhibition perhaps.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-02-23 01:03 [#01847229]
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Premonitory?
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-23 01:09 [#01847230]
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by the way, this conversation has developed a bit more here, if you're interested...
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-23 01:12 [#01847231]
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HOLY SHIT!
The Art of Premonitory Design!!!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-02-23 01:39 [#01847233]
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I see what you mean, I don't think there is a word to describe it. If there was then it would already have been seen.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-23 01:46 [#01847235]
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and that is what it means to have a feeling of deja vu for future events. We see them, we understand them on some level, but we cant describe them. Isnt that uncomprehensible and weird? The wires get crossed when conceptualizing this. Its like we dont have words for words we dont know exist. Its as if we are describing the pink elephant we do not own. The irony in this case is these things do have a Form. We see them, they are what they are. Although art historical, there similarities are linguistically transparent.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com on 2006-02-23 01:47 [#01847236]
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*their
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-02-23 01:56 [#01847242]
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"these things do have a Form"
Platon's Cave myth comes to my mind... as he conceptualizes our impressions as something coming from a higher level of reality unreacheable for us. The FACTS level oposed to the IDEAS level...
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2006-02-23 07:10 [#01847442]
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those sculptures are cool.
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