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Exactly. DJ Handjob gets it for free because he can't afford it. Then after years of being used to getting professional products for free, he gets a job, works hard, saves his money, and finally invests in in half a pound of dank nugs. Remember kids, when DJ Handjob doesn't have Nuendo, we ALL suffer. Er, or is it when he does? (I adore the name DJ handjob and plan to repeat it ad nauseam) |
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I think stuff like Reason and Cubase are marketted to DJ Handjob arent they? I'd guess most people at the Reaktor level are probably putting at least some money into the music software business somewhere along the way. |
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"Rubbish, maybe if you're talking about glitch hop or micro blipcore. Orchestras, Choirs, quality session musicians, studios to record the beat you are sampling etc. etc. cost a lot of money." there's plenty of classical music for only about 1 euro per cd and it's good quality as well. OK it's not completely free but almost free. Besides people will spend money on music/making software just for the honour of having made it |
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I think the software should be free but you get fined, heavily, every time you make a crap bit of music with it. |
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That sounds about right. I'd go with that. |
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Piffle! |
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better check into chilean bankruptcy law before you move forward with that idea. |
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Don't carry the stuff in stores. The people who have the cash to buy the prog will have the cash to pay shipping. Mostly freeware hangs out in my Proj studio. VST's seriously fucking suck, there are like 2 free shit VST progs I use. The stuff I have that are warez are like the 1000 grand shit that are essential. And if I had a stack to blow on this shit I would. Download the shit to learn from it. When your tracks get big enough to pay the bills, then shell the benj meng. |
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"Piffle!" ...should I respond to that? heh, do you also use music to make money? |
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Heavily timestretched *badum-bum-pssshhhhh*, dragged out for over 10 hours. |
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1000 grand? yeesh, i didn't know there were any progs out there that were 1,000,000 dollars. |
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hahahahaha max/msp anyone? |
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*unsettling silence as dog_belch fails to generate a comeback worthy of even the slightest badum-bum-pssshhhhh* |
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haven't you heard of the P Diddy-Pimped-Up Edition of Cubase? |
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HAHAHAHAHA! |
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P diddy doesnt frighten true pirates... |
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I only 'use' music to channel my inner thoughts and dreams, the fact that I get paid Euro Lottery figures for doing so is neither here nor there. 8 ) |
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if the software were 10 times cheaper, would the companies be able to sell 10 times more copies? say Ableton costs $40 instead of $400. would it be more worth buying it rather than going to all the trouble to get a hacked copy? What if their business model was like a subscription service ala World of Warcraft. I guess my question is, why don't they try selling software for cheaper? Is it because they know it won't be profitable? Is it because they want to maintain a level of professionalism/exclusivism? Are there any companies that have tried this business model? Is it similar to the observation that it seems like everything you need to make music costs about $300 dollars? "exclusivism" is not a word by the way. |
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I think it needs to be at a certain price for people to think it is "professional". If for example they tried to sell a minimoog emulation for 10 euros then people would think it's probably crap and ignore it |
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If it were 10 times cheaper and they sold 10 times more copies then they'd make the same amount of money..... |
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well duh... |
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Just checking you hadn't made a typo and meant to say 100 times more copies. :) |
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i guess i shoulda said more than 10 times more. duh.. gah! stupid stupid! |
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IT's ok. You have a child to care for. I have a belly. |
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Your putting words into my mouth. I understand what you guys are saying. A lot of your reasons for what your saying, though, I choose not to see as relevant. I didn't equate your using software to piracy of hardware. I said your problem getting reaktor is similar to my problem getting an MPC, but my problem getting an mpc wasn't because of piracy. It was because the demand wasn't there. Maybe there aren't very many people near where you live that are interested in getting reaktor. Maybe the distribution and support for native instruments is utter shit (which it is, thats not a piracy thing, thats because native instruments has shit distribution and support). All these arguments are the same for cd's. If you download mp3's of an album that you didn't pay for, it affects the wholesalers, producers, musicians and consumers. The actual dollar loss that say, autechre had over stolen mp3's of untilted most likely outweighs the dollar loss that native instruments has with cracked copies of reaktor. But that isn't stopping autechre from making albums, or stopping warp from producing albums. Relativity |
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so to quote from and summerise everyone's posts : "the first part of that is like the worst case independent music stores making money from your bizarre philosophy of pirated software. I bet I don't feel bad for using a lot of fucking stolen illegal hate buggy cracked software." |
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Judging by the volume of NI related activity on the net - messageboards, sites offering downloads of ensembles and mp3s created using Reaktor, patches for Absynth, FM7 and so on - demand and usage are high. Are you trying to tell me that Montreal, home of the Mutek festival and hotbed of electronic music, has low demand for NI software? Bullshit. The demand is being met illegally. Theft is wrong and all your rationalizations don't change a thing. |
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what are you wearing? |
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Ham sandwiches. Rrrrrrrrrrr. |
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even trent reznor sayznor it's good |
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Whoops. 1000 grand - 999 = 1 grand. The Montreal shops I've bought from have more gear then software. Lot's of Retro shit new and used, not much software though. I rarely see any shops these days without some software.They are to busy selling Fantoms and Motifs to worry about soft sales I would think. Signature gretsch halo bodies pay the rent meng ;) |
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ooooooooooooooooooooo! wanna join me at the methodist church for a little "BBQ?" |
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Oh no! I know what Norwegians are talking about when they say "church bbq". You're going to ride a wolf to church with a can of gasoline and a torch. |
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yeah, isn't that what everyone means by it? have you met father beelsebub, by the way? |
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Well, seeing as most of the people who use cracked software are people who can't afford it, then chances are the demand is being met illegally is very low, because the people that can't afford it can't afford it. Many of the people that can't afford it end up buying it later when they can (so that would be a demand created by cracked software). I have always said that if you have the money to pay for it, then pay for it. If you can't afford it, than I don't have a problem with you aquiring it in other means. There are many reasons why they may not have it there. Native instruments has shit distribution and support. When a german/american company thinks of electronic music, do you think they are thinking of canada? Hardly. There are massive festivals all over the place in different countries. Another thing, when I go to a gear store, one thing that I always see is reaktor. Without fail. There is a much smaller comunity for electronic music here, but I can guarantee you there is most likely an equal ammount of cracked software being used here, per capita of electronic music makers, than there is there, in montreal. So why couldn't you find reaktor? I don't know. Maybe all the people who run the gear shops out there have their heads stuck up there asses. Maybe they all lost the contact info for the canadian distribution of reaktor. Maybe the employees are hiding all the copies so they can get an employees discount on all the copies of reaktor without people buying them all up. Maybe the guy who orders all their products doesn't want to have to deal with the shoddy people who work at NI. There are plenty of reasons why that could have happened. |
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And maybe, as the distributor told the store owner and the store owner told me, it's piracy. |
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Maybe the distributor said that because he was incompitant and he was blaming someone else for it. Anyways, why is it vancouver could always have copies of reaktor and not montreal? If piracy was driving down the demand for software, then there wouldn't be any here either. |
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How long has it been there on the shelf? Was it R4 or R5? Upgrade version or full version? |
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Reaktor 5 since reaktor 5 was released. Reaktor 4 since reaktor 4 was released. Reaktor 3 since reaktor 3 was released. They have always kept them in stock, and by in stock I mean, they had extra copies in the back. I asked them a couple times how the native instruments software did, and they said reaktor, absynth and battery sell very well. I asked "what about kontakt" and they said, "not great, but that is because of combo deals that native instruments had with various midi controllers", so the boxed version didn't sell too well, but they still carried it. How many copies did they have in the back? I didn't ask. Anyways, can we stop beating this horse? I think its dead by now. |
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