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offline Combo from Sex on 2005-12-06 15:17 [#01794948]
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Maybe it's me who is weak at mixing with such software but
I think that the mix quality is far less good than with
turntables !! What do you think ?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2005-12-06 15:18 [#01794949]
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I think it's you


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2005-12-06 15:24 [#01794954]
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Depends on the format perhaps?


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-06 15:26 [#01794955]
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what.


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2005-12-06 16:01 [#01794971]
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I mean... the problem probably comes from the DJ mixer. It's
more instinctive to turn knobs than to click on a mouse.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-12-06 16:04 [#01794972]
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ta daaa


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2005-12-06 16:07 [#01794973]
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I know it's possible to connect a DJ mixer to a computer,
but is it really worth it ?? A normal DJ mixer and two decks
are just perfect.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-12-06 23:59 [#01795159]
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Thats not so much of a dj mixer as it is a Midi controller
geared towards the computer dj market, so it wins in a
couple areas: under $200, has easy assign features, and
isn't going to run you back an additional $2000 for good
tables, and uncounted ammounts of money for rare records.
The benefits to computer mixing, is it allows you to
seamlessly integrate four virtual decks together with added
effects and a multitude of other software options. As well,
you don't need to cart around a couple crates of rare vinyl
that could get lost/stolen/damaged.

Personally, I lean towards hardware for both djing and
musicmaking, but there are plenty of good arguments for
software.


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-07 00:28 [#01795161]
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I really want one of those now.

I find Ableton Live great. It has so many capabilities and
everything fits together. I'm shite at using real decks but
software makes it a LOT easier for me.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-12-07 03:43 [#01795215]
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I think the mix is better but it does help a lot to have
some knobs to use


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2005-12-07 03:45 [#01795217]
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Mixing with 4 decks rocks, doesn't matter if it's software
or hardware as long as you're good.


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2005-12-07 07:13 [#01795283]
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i'd go with impakt on this one.

and by the way, everyone needs to get a copy of traktor 3.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2005-12-07 07:41 [#01795303]
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I've got Traktor 3 from the last week, but I definitely need
to learn how use it.


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2005-12-07 07:46 [#01795305]
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yeah, it took me about an hour just to figure out the new
hotkey setup. :/

but the effects are amazing! It just takes some time to get
the hang of it.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2005-12-07 07:53 [#01795309]
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I've never seen others tracktors, but yes I think it is
structured very well and if you're able to use it properly,
you can feel yourself a good Dj :)


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 07:57 [#01795312]
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real dj's use vinyl


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2005-12-07 07:59 [#01795314]
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here we go again.


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:00 [#01795316]
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ive been saying real dj's use vinyl for the length of my
stay here at xlt, and since i was two (upon receiving my
first vinyl recording) - and it will NEVER change


 

offline ToXikFB on 2005-12-07 08:02 [#01795318]
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is there any decent tutorials on how to use traktor 3
properly?


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2005-12-07 08:04 [#01795321]
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I've a manual in pdf format on adobe reader, it explains a
lot how use the program, are you interested?


 

offline ToXikFB on 2005-12-07 08:05 [#01795322]
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yeah sure .)


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2005-12-07 08:06 [#01795324]
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Will upload it on slsk in few minuts :)


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-07 08:07 [#01795326]
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real dj's use software


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:10 [#01795330]
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seeing as how dj'ing originated with vinyl, big, you're
wrong


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-07 08:12 [#01795333]
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before there were only fake dj's


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:13 [#01795334]
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there weren't fake dj's until you


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:13 [#01795335]
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Traktor is a doddle. If you can't get decent sounding mixes
out of that, you've got no chance with proper (vinyl)
turntables. It doesn't take much skill to sort your mp3s by
bpm then autosync the next record. Yes, you still have to
choose the next record, but that is a selector, not a
DJ (still an important skill, just not the whole package).

I'm not dead against it. I can see the attraction in the
version of traktor that comes with final scratch. I even use
traktor from time to time and have used it as part of a rig
when playing out. It's just that if all you can do is use
traktor, you're not a DJ (IMO of course).


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:17 [#01795337]
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ceri said it all


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-12-07 08:19 [#01795340]
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i'm still using winamp and itunes to mix mp3's in work.

fuck this beat-matching shit :p



 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2005-12-07 08:21 [#01795341]
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Scratching with Virtual Dj is cool.


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offline big from lsg on 2005-12-07 08:21 [#01795342]
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ive been djing aphex to myself at work all day :)


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-07 08:27 [#01795345]
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ive been listening to ween


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-07 09:56 [#01795404]
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Scratching with hardware is cool too.



 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-12-07 10:04 [#01795409]
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I can't use those programs but i can mix vinyl.

: )


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2005-12-07 10:09 [#01795418]
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You don't get it ! I have no problem beatmixing 2 records
with 2 decks and a DJ mixer, but I have problems to do this
with traktor cause sometimes it's just not precise enough
and sometimes it unexplicably doesn't match the beats for a
long time and I have to synchronize them several times.

The main problem I was talking about is ajusting the levels
(bass/high) and upfaders. It's just not easy and precise
with software and mouse clicks !!


 

offline OK on 2005-12-07 10:51 [#01795451]
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most "DJs" are turning to software now.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-07 10:54 [#01795455]
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I agree that "nudging" records that are pitched to the same
bpm, but that have fallen sligtly out of synch (esp tracks
with a real drummer) sounds a lot less natural with traktor
as it sort of snaps back into time.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-12-07 10:57 [#01795459]
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I'd say that some control surface with knobs and buttons is
an absolute necessity with Traktor. I mostly use it as a
third deck along with the turntables - good stuff


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2005-12-07 14:32 [#01795768]
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What about Mixer or Mix Master for someone who use software?


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2005-12-07 16:53 [#01795860]
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mixmeister is excellent, i prefer it over traktor


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-07 16:57 [#01795861]
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vinyl is easier, imo.


 

offline navidson from United Kingdom on 2005-12-07 17:00 [#01795863]
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Anyone that runs with the "Traktor does all the beatmatching
for you" argument against mp3 DJing must be using some
special version that I'm not - it's much, much more work to
beatmatch with software than it is on Vinyl. With records I
can have everything locked in hardly any time at all, but
with traktor it always gets the BPM wrong and I spend ages
fiddling with the pitch control and clicking the 'pitch
jibble' button when what I really want to be doing is
playing with the EQ and cutting in and out of the two
records.



 

offline L4PT0PG3NR4T10N from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-07 19:31 [#01795915]
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technology make ur life easier..but no better..the rest,is
up to you.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-12-08 04:03 [#01796013]
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Real dj's use music. It doesn't matter about what format
they use, or how its beatmatched. If a dj is playing the
crowd, and the crowd feels it then they are good.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2005-12-08 05:30 [#01796041]
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real DJ's are usually twat faces


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2005-12-08 08:11 [#01796124]
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My point is not the eternal debate vinyls VS digital ! I
just wanted to point out that mixing with software is hard
due to the lack of knobs, which are more instintive to use
imo.


 

offline solariumface from brussels (Belgium) on 2005-12-08 08:41 [#01796149]
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im with euphonicfilter.. traktor sucks! we will end with
only virtual releases because of this.. no more nice covers
to hold in hands.. just shitty files on a pc.. pfff
its just not the same:( bliip sucks



 

offline rzezniq from gorzow (Poland) on 2005-12-08 09:05 [#01796157]
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Well....Digital mixing suxxx in my opinnion.It is not an art
anymore when you use autosync and mp3 or other digital
formats and watching someone clicking a mouse is not so good
as real vinyl-turntable action. What`s more when you play
something like digeridoo from mp3 it is not considered as
something amazing but when you play that from lp people
think "where tha fuck he got that record!!". Also don`t you
think that liveshows from many warp artist play on DJ
tracktor suck? Where is the magic of oldschool hardware
action?


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-08 09:06 [#01796159]
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rezezniq gets it too !!!


 

offline euphonicfilter from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-08 09:07 [#01796160]
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solariumface gets it too too !!!


 


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