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Two terms Malcolm X talked about were Field Nigger and House Nigger and he described the dynamics between the two - the House Nigger looked down on the Field Nigger and is more or less equivalent to an Uncle Tom. |
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I'm partly french, Incan, Spanish, Venezuelan and Creole. Those last two are pretty mixed themselves. I was born and raised in France. The raised part sucked, and France got old. We moved to Canada, almost everything was different, I learned what it meant for someone to not speak the words and live the traditions etc I learnt as "natural", for a few years. Evidently, everything I'd taken for granted, including the appearance that I "had" to relate to and feel attached to my "inherited" culture was bollocks. I move back to France. It sucks some more, though this time I'm armed and get an advantage over every poor local soul who hasn't had his homebred value system overwritten by something more universal and foolproof. I move to the US, finish High School and enter College. I bring to the surface so much of my unconscious and fuck with so many different chicks, thinking back to 2 years earlier feels like seeing myself in diapers. Traditions are BS. Reason is sovereign. I moved to and from and grew up with so many different people and places and cultures, it's cake to see what's reasonable and what's dumb and thick human nature. Thinking one should do anything else than his own will, that is, something entirely original, is erroneous. |
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Yeah well guess what, the House Nigger probably has it a lot better than the Field Nigger. Slaves in the northeast were treated A LOT better than ones in the south. |
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...different strokes. |
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"Nigger" and "Aryan" and Better and Lower and all that's BS and everyone knows it. Just like everyone knows that vulcan mind meld the kindergarten bully had was only as strong as the victims made it. Homo sapiens is an autolocomotive piece of meat with a pin of conscience nailed to its top. |
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The "house nigger" was basically the bulters of the house who had the nicer clothes and weren't beaten as much. Often chosen because they didn't argue, where polite to their 'owners' and didn't cause trouble. The "field nigger" had to work in the fields, often because they refused to conform. I think you will find that as well as the "house niggers" looking down on the "field niggers", the "field niggers" dispised the fact that the "house niggers" had forgotten where they came from and tried to fit in with their oppressor for a better standard of living. |
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So theres Black people that fall victim to the bullshit ads they see on TV. WOW sounds like EVERY FUCKING PERSON I'VE EVER MET. |
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You come across like you don't know what you are talking about :) |
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Thanks Lee - I really couldn't be bothered typing out a long explaination of the two terms =) |
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I don't dislike any race, but I don't have a problem with anyone who does. I think every quality of a person is superficial, so whether or not you dislike someone based on their personality or hair color, it really makes no difference. |
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Having learned what this thread is actually about instead of floundering in the dark I'm keen to get involved, only I don't really get the point of it. Can't we all just, you know, get along? Not worry about some racial "putting on airs". Well, I'm clueless, and most likely ignored as usual. Still, all the cool people are hanging out here and I don't want to be left out :) |
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I didn't read this thread though. |
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I'm assuming Marlowe prefers Field Niggers because they stay true? |
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haha, it wasn't for your sake, it was more for weathstone et al. who seem to miss the point :P |
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the problem is, no we can't get along, and why should black people have to continue acting like white folks to get ahead in the west? |
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And no one from any other race acts "white" to get ahead? Why are we pinpointing this on black people? |
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Why not just accept that they're doing/did what they feel they must to get on in the world? Just accept both "types" for their individual qualities instead of generalising too much? I know it's human nature to generalise and group people together, but with a bit of presence of mind that can be easily overcome. |
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No, Paul was simply asking should black people conform to perceived western culture when it was forced on them and not by choice. My opinion is that if black americans are no longer conforming but now helping the shape and influence the US landscape on all levels, which will hopefully lead to proper integration, despite the absolutely abbhorent manner in which their ancestors where introduced to "the land of the free". |
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I already said why, Weatheredstoner - because of their unique position of having half their stock kidnapped and shipped to a very hostile environment. I do believe that some sort of thing happened in the far east - if someone could fill in the details of that .... Xceque, I don't see why they should feel they have to adopt our sick ways to get ahead. The west is in terminal decline, soul-wise and money-wise, and I don't want it dragging the rest of the world down with it. |
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Again thanks for clarifying it, Lee :D It was actually watching Condaleeza Rice on TV that made me think of this - the Kudos she is giving that little runt Bush by making him seem so non-racist etc made me feel a little queasy |
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Well personally I feel that this is an irrelevant topic because it only applies to those who were alive during the time of the slave trade. Why? Because that was the only time western culture was FORCED. Its not forced now, its a choice. If a black man chooses to put on a suit and go to work in a BMW thats his choice. It has nothing to do with his ancestors. He's not being forced to drive a nice car or listen to music with guitars in it. Also how could you blame a slave from colonial era for being a Uncle Tom? Humans want better living conditions even if it means kissing someone else's ass. You think Tony Blair would suck Bushs cock so much if he knew that we could label you all terrorists? Being an Uncle Tom is done out of survival. Its not pretty or honorable, but it sure beats the alternative. |
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Plus - FUCK CONALEEZA RICE. |
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You know, I don't have an answer for you. It's never bothered me before because I didn't have any reason to suspect that people feel that way so I've not considered the problem. And please don't take that as racist. I only can live within the cultural limits to which I'm exposed. Not much ethnic diversity up here in the chilly noth of England. |
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Call me a freak and lock me away for life, but I honestly wouldn't say no! I'm a bad man :( |
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I don't at all, xceque - thank you for answering the question though! :) |
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The Condy situation is a bit of a tricky area. She is clearly yet another selfish politician who will say almost anything for personal gain. You have to ask yourself though, does she feel she has a responsibility to her race? or does she simply feel she is a generic American who acts the way every other none racially motivated politician acts? If she doesn't feel bound by race is she then an Uncle Tom? That would all depend on your view of racism in general, is she fooling herself or are people holding onto the past too tightly. I love this issue and think about it a lot but I really need to go get some sleep. Night all :) |
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wait did you just admit you'd fuck Leeza? |
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g'night lee :P |
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No, no. I take it all back! It was a moment of weakness. |
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You know... I've seen some disguisting shit on the internet: Hot Carl Donkey Punch Bukkake (specifically right in the open eye) Open sore penetration Transvestite penetrating another man anally tits being set on fire a man being fucked to death by a horse Fear Factor Tubgirl and Goatse.cx fetish But I have never been more appalled at what I've witnessed here today. |
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Hahah its all in good fun. We love you xceque. but seriously wtf? |
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Returning to the point, in an attempt to hastily cover my back there... I think you really have to take people at their individual value, rather than consider their current position in society and judge that if they're behaving in a "western" way (whatever that may be) that they're 'uncle Toms'. Consider moot's position and similar others, with an upbringing that gives them a "non-black" view of the world. You have to have been raised a specific way to behave in any particular way and if you're black and don't act it, really is it your fault? I think that was all rather poorly explained but hopefully the intended meaning will be taken. |
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I'm so ashamed :( |
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Nice one xceque, get settled into the subject just as everyone else buggers off as usual, you useless dicksplash. It was the Condaleeza Rice thing that did it you know. They're in shock. |
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For a more balanced discussion, let us not forget the contributions of the Tio Tomas. |
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its pretty obvious that some of you guys in this thread have no or few black american friends |
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clearly, since this is a european website. |
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My girlfriend works for Condie's cousin, Contance Rice. Shes the good Rice, not the evil one. |
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Try "Tia Thomasina" |
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I think the main point is that if you removed the skin of anyone, no matter what colour, then there'd still be a red bloody mess underneath. |
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Your point about where you grow up being the overriding one in most people's categorisation of where they consider home and their cultural mores is a valid one. A mate of mine is Nigerian by descent and is only a first generation settler in the UK (his parents moved here when he was 4), yet he considers himself Cornish rather than african, because it's where he grew up, was educated and where his friends are. Yes, he does have some of his forefathers cultural aspects and, unimportantly, their appearance, but they're definately <50% of his personality/culture/way of life. If someone like that feels British, it's easy to imagine how someone who has lived in a western country for 200 years feels little/no connection to their "country of origin". Giginger: "I think the main point is that if you removed the skin of anyone, no matter what colour, then there'd still be a red bloody mess underneath." True Dat! |
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Most white people were tricked or press-ganged into going to America anyway. I'm not saying they had it as bad as the slaves, but life for po' white trash in colonial times was not exactly a barrel of laughs. Indentured servants had pretty shitty lives. That's why the animated sequence about the history of america in "Bowling for Columbine" where all the slaves are toiling away and the white people are sitting around on their lazy arses is the worst piece of history I've ever seen in a film. So does that mean that any white americans people who don't act like complete broke ass grapes of wrath-style migrant workers are fake too? |
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ass grapes. lol |
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Pangaea is my motherland, n00bs! |
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hahaha! |
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