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I'm wondering what the general consensus is on Uncle Toms and their sisterly equivalents. Is it good that they adopt our civilised and more enlightened ways - as well as our clothing and make-up and perfume and dietary habits and economic outlook and God(s)! - to help integrate them into the West whilst not compromising their blackness, or should they instead fight the white man in the streets and say 'we shoulda been free in tha first place' Should they be proud to own a Lexus and a Rolex and earn lots of Green? Or should their aims be different in the Western hemisphere? I myself have no opinion on the matter |
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let them be proud of whatever they want to |
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im considered an uncle tom by some just cause i dont speak black and i dont listen to current popular black music, and i highly resemble steve urkel, fuck all that though, i still sling rocks and tote guns like a mother fucking gangster, today i shot 12 gangs just because i felt like it, while smoking crack and pimping prostitutes and playing my gameboy advance |
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its true, I was there |
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were ALL traitors to our shit-flinging hairy brethren |
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to add to that let me say... ...this is why the race issue is nowhere near as important as the current WAR ON APES. we must fight the APES that are trying to bring us down, because we know we are superior, as a SPECIES. man is stronger than ape, and if we continue to fight EACH OTHER, in ANY way, we will let the apes get further in their quest for GLORY. you see them going to space, wearing OUR clothes... ...soon you will see them shooting our guns, flying our planes, dropping our bombs... evolution is not OVER |
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OMG, that was hilarious. People say you hate the skin color, but really it's the culture. The blackness is really very American. Uk black people or peeps directly from Africa usually speak clearly and softly. Act civil. It's not a skin issue. It's an American issue. |
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Except the uncle toms. They are very considerate and always whisper in libraries. |
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By his own admission, Hitler was not a big fan of novels, though he once ranked Gulliver's Travels, Robinson Crusoe, Uncle Tom's Cabin, and Don Quixote (he had a special affection for the edition illustrated by Gustave Dor�) among the world's greatest works of literature. , also some book about the written down diner conversations of hitler from 42-43 or so |
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how is being gangsta being true to your roots? I'm asking whether black people specifically - since they were dragged to the West against their will - would be best to shun the rules and traditions of their former slavemasters in favour of their own forefather's culture. I'm interested to get a black perspective on this, that's all. |
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wouldn't that depend on how far back you see your roots as going? I'm not a viking. |
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Yeah but the vikings are the forefathers of where you live... that isn't the case with black folks. |
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I don't really see where the difference is. If you grow up somewhere, you will most likely find you feel you're from that place regardless of where your grandfather is from. If I understand this correctly, and "uncle tom" is a black man that doesn't act as the "stereotype" black man..? The reverse of it would be a wigger..? anyway, a uncle tom is just most likely a black man that grew up in a place where one doesn't act as a "stereotype black man." There's no biological code in black people that says they can't speak and act like white people and that they HAVE to like hip-hop. |
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PROOF PLZ |
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cygnus is black, but not a slave. i'm white but i didn't capture him as a slave. this is pretty stupid. |
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Not really, because you're in your 'natural' environment, the one which has developed along with your forefathers. The Africans who were enslaved were ripped away from their culture and placed in an alien environment and forced to conform... even malcolm X talks about how distinguished a black man felt in the early part of the 20th century to straighten his hair to make it look less black, and how lighter skinned negroes were treated better since they were more white. I didn't say cygnus was a slave btw |
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look at it this way; if they'd be left in africa there would be a big chance they'd get shot trying to enter spain. |
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What's really sad is your definition of culture seems to be based on colour. Generations have past since the days of slavery. Generations have also passed since the civil rights movement of the 60's. By accusing black americans of conformity you are simply reinforcing racial stereotypes. You wouldn't call a 5th generation child Irish because his distant relatives where from Ireland, or the average white American a European likewise most African Americans have no real ties to Africa any more. You, yourself don't wear the same clothes as your distant relatives did, or even speak exactly the same way. The more time that passes the more integrated things will become. The integration will happen a lot quicker when people cease using labels to define others. |
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We all came from Africa. |
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It's not based on colour - that is the current accepted term for people of African origin. And I don't believe the days of slavery have ended, and there are many black people who agree and have written about that and preach that message to their own, who they themselves call Uncle Toms. So in which case, label me such and you label them such. |
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I suspect I'm neither hip nor hip-hop enough to understand this topic. |
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And, to the best of my knowledge, I don't have an uncle Tom. |
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i_x_ten im afraid id make a terrible slave, sorry |
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cygnus is my slave "bend over boy!" *whips ass |
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I've noticed that it's other people churning out the nigga stereotypes in this thread - cygnus with his gangsta reference, xceque with his hiphop reference. That is missing the point completely - I was making an enquiry and now I'm being labelled as some kind of Colourist who thinks all black people should be back in Ghana in the fields. |
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I have to admit I'm kinda lost on what your point is. However this thread made me laugh. |
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once again: a better put version of what I was trying to get across. |
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no, you're missing the point. i dont condone the actions of my forefathers, their actions and acts of slavery were obscene. (actually not my forefathers, i'm not anglo saxon descent) on the same note, it would be stupid for a BLACK PERSON (omg i said black person: note irnoy before racist accusations come flying my way) to begrudge someone who enslaved their ancestors. i hate the whole race thing. i wish everyone was the same colour, maybe a nice diplomatic shade of green, or maybe blue. its stupid. when the fuck will people realise that skin colour has nothing to do with cultural background or individual personality. the build up of english people is white, black, yellow and brown, as is 99.9% of every other country everywhere. |
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African American is rapidy becoming an outdated label. There will always be some form of slavely. However in modern day western nations this is as much class defined as racially defined. There may be a higher proportion of the black or minority populations living in poverty, but there is also a substantial number of white people. There are white people who beleive that "niggers" are sub human and that people who integrate freely with black people are just sub human "nigger lovers" or "wiggers". Racially attacking members of your own race doesn't excuse you from the charge of being racist. |
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when i say " to begrudge someone who enslaved their ancestors" i mean not to begrudge someone of the current generation, not someone who actually did it in the past, because that is fair game. |
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what the fuck are you talking about? My point was that you are amongst your natural fellows - the caucasians, regardless of whereabouts in that map your family travelled from, as immigrants. The blacks were forcibly - the key word - removed from their continent and stuck in a white man's nightmare where they were raped and tortured and denigrated etc. And I don't see many black people reclaiming their past - instead I see them dressing up in suits, driving BMWs, doing soul-numbing office jobs and other Western forms of disease. That's why I asked the question. Lee - the label I was using was 'black' not african-american... that's why I explained that it wasn't a 'colour' issue and that I used the term 'black' as that is the apparently acceptable term for people of african descent. Let's not forget that most of the African continent has now been hijacked by the west for its mineral wealth. And I'm not racist against my own people because I'm Romany stock, and Romany forefathers come from the far east... in fact I have been called a Chinky before. |
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Africans were very familiar with slavery before the first white man stepped foot on their continent. When tribes would war, the winner would take slaves of their defeated oppenents tribe and integrate them into their own customs and whatnot. ecnadniarb - so is dave chappelle a racist? |
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oi! I only said hip hop cos the thread seemed to be something about black culture, despite the opening gambit appearing to have nothing to do with such. I assumed that, in fact, it was. And I'm so unhip I didn't know. I still have no idea what this is about. |
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Lots of people had to (in a sense) "forcefully" flee their country to seek a better life. Of course black people were 'taken' and didn't have a choice, but go around and ask and see how many black people living in america would want to go back to Africa. |
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I'm guessing an "uncle tom" is a something like what I don't know what one is of. |
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You're presenting a very narrow picture of that custom, stoner, to make it look even remotely as bad as what the Europeans did. |
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"I've noticed that it's other people churning out the nigga stereotypes in this thread - cygnus with his gangsta reference, xceque with his hiphop reference. " This directly related to your point though. There is a resistance from all sides regarding the diversification of US culture. There are white people resisting influence from black communities and black people resisting influence from white communities and as a result the whole urban hip hop thing became a strong identity for young black males to latch on to and now it is the predominant identifier of black culture in the US which is pretty sad. Paul I never accused you of being racist, I think I know you well enough to know that you aren't. :) The only thing that concerns me is that you don't see 5th+ generation Americans, who's ancestors happened to be African, as westerners. Westerners who are every bit as responsible for an increasingly capatilist world as their white counterparts. |
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I dont know how Africans treated other Africans when they took slaves. I also think its rediculous to claim that every slave in America was beaten and raped. |
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Yes, that's because they've been as brainwashed as all the fat lazy white people living on the REAL dark continent. |
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Sorry, i dont follow :\ |
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Well, Lee - I don't like to see them as Westerners because I believe the Western world is suffering from Terminal Illness. Stoner - I think we can agree that a hell of a lot of black slaves were raped, tortured and murdered - arguing percentages doesn't really mean much. |
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Like white people in colonial america where never raped or beaten? |
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are you saying all white men are the same? i dont give a shit what people look like or what their skin colour is. my "natural fellows" are people i can relate to, from any walk of life. i don't give a shit about race, religion, gender, any kind of demographic build up, whatever its all fucking bollocks. i think most decent people know this, and that is all that really matters. |
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Not so systematically or from such disgusting motivations, no. |
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They are Western though :) xceque - Uncle Tom is a term which came from a book called Uncle Tom's Cabin by a US writer (Stowe I think). The book describes 'Uncle Tom' as a subservient black man who panders to his white masters but eventually gets beaten to death by his overseer. It is used as an accusation that a black person is forcibly acting white to fit in. |
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True, so whats the point here again? Are we to all jump in my time machine and go back and change history? |
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cheers! now it makes sense |
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