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I'll keep it for a bit, just so you can stare at yourself a little more. |
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"wtf? why did you get so defensive about that? i was just asking you a simple question and you answered it in a reasonable way. what's the problem? " no problem. i was a little touchy over the whole situation for a moment,just because Xltronic is still one of the few places that still.. gets my goat,i suppose. Sorry if my panties got all in a twist. "I care so deeply about music that I can't but help despairing loudly when I hear someone recreating some fucking genre that they had no hand in originally, and doing nothing new with it apart from maybe watering it down. Just because something is classifiable as music doesn't make it untouchable. I hear quie a bit of stuff here that I think is genius, but generic 3rd generation IDM doesn't get me reaching for the ol' pay pal. " Shame on all those hip hop producers,rock musicians and folk singers. They didnt create the genre,so they shouldnt be making that kind of music,eh? Genius idea. If you don't like the music,thats fine. Whatever. I don't really care. I wasnt forcing it down your throat at any point. But..Third generation IDM? Errr. Alright,chief. Whatever you say. Why go out of your way to just be so blatantly rude? Oh wait.. this is the internet. I forgot. regardless. thx to those who are interested,again. keep your eyes peeled from a vinyl version of the record shortly after its initial release. |
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i have some bad news for you... this is the internet indeed. if you're going to put out records on a label and you aren't john lennon, you should expect (and i mean really anticipate) that there will be some negative points of view on your music. btw - john lennon was very overrated. welcome to the real world, where people have opinions. |
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i like wisp's music |
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Oh now it's on vinyl, it'll sound better. |
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i think this is why most signed artists don't post on message boards. |
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Why, because they don't like criticism, only fan mail? If someone said to me, "Dan, ok, you've made a record, but, to me, it sounds like it could've been made by anyone. I don't doubt your technical ability, you obviously have 'mad skillz', but... I have to say... it sounds a little generic"... would it be MY fault, would it be something I had to think about and go "Ok, maybe I should put a bit more of myself into this" or would the correct response be "What do you know BITCH? I been doing this long time, what do I care if you think it's original, these are MY melodies, MY fucked up beatz/breakz... who the hell are you to tell me anything? Maybe I'll fucking listen when you're signed to a label and have a messageboard beased fanclub.. BIIIATCH". I look forward to hearing more of this on the links betwen programmes on People & Arts and Internet Radio (invariably hosted by Peter Robot). |
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Alright..i think this is where i think i have misrepresented myself. Its not the critiscm i cant take. Thats fine,as i stated before. If you dont like my music,think its boring.. alright. Fine.. i never expected everyone to like it,nor is that plausible. bah. its not even worth trying to defend myself,because in the end it will always appear that i am over sensitive. Im not going to go out of my way to kick myself in the ass,either. So,say what you feel like. Its out of my hands. whatever. who cares. i enjoy it. if you dont,sorry..but thats that. |
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it's great to have an opinion about someone's music, negative or postive, that's your right.. but there's no need to be aggressively assholish about it. |
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Well, otherwise it just goes on and on "Yeah, that's great... lovely snare sound...", but if you care about something, like music, and if you think someone could do better, I'd rather say so. Anyway, who cares what I think? For my apparently negative posts there are about 10 "Yeah, buying this shit" posts, so who gives a fuck? |
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What's Reid gonna do if Pitchfork or Stylus or etc. etc. eats hot chilies, slices him up and shits chili-shit in the wounds? Because they do that, yes, uh huh. And that's life, oh yes. Come on, Reid, Plantre, Chaosmachine. Breathe. Release. Breathe. Release. Breathe and release. Art is indefensible. It defends itself by being liked, or understood, or misunderstood, or hated. Whatever. An artist can only make an ass of himself by responding to critics. |
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in that case, it's a good thing he showed some restraint and wasn't at all "aggressively assholish" about it. |
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> non-Snaresy cuddly breakcore actually, I really like the sound of that |
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i have some bad news for all of you... this is the internet indeed. if you're going to express an opinion, especially one about music, you should expect (and i mean really anticipate) that there will be some negative points of view on your opnions. welcome to the real world, where people have opinions about other people's opinions. |
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Good call! |
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well, with a comment like "Oh now it's on vinyl, it'll sound better", it's hard not to think of someone in those terms. very few people deserve disrespect like that, and wisp isn't one of them. i know it's the internet, and that makes it easy to say shit like that, but coming back for a 4th post in this thread, just to say that.. what kind of person does that make you look like? |
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i've said much worse things about certain errors made by some of my favorite artists. |
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The vinyl thing isn't so much a comment on Wisphex as on the general fallacy that something on vinyl is worth intrinsicly more, and sounds better. It sounds different, like it sounds different on cassette, or on different stereos / car radios / headphones. ".. what kind of person does that make you look like?" Bitter, sad, twisted, what do you think? They all apply. I don't know what it is, this kind of thing just brings out the worst in me. I wouldn't actively deride this music, but I reserve my right to point out that I don't agree with slavishly copying sub-sub-sub-sub-genres of music. Saying Hip Hop, Folk, Rock are comparable... they're touchstones, they're the roots of styles of music... atmospheric breakcore is something invented by people that started out doing techno and ended up at that point. Just picking up the thread there and not running with it goes up my arse. But kids that don't know any better dig it so, don't listen to granddad, he's out of fucking touch. |
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"but, thats just, like, your opinion... man" |
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"What's Reid gonna do if Pitchfork or Stylus or etc. etc. eats hot chilies, slices him up and shits chili-shit in the wounds? Because they do that, yes, uh huh. And that's life, oh yes. Come on, Reid, Plantre, Chaosmachine. Breathe. Release. Breathe. Release. Breathe and release. Art is indefensible. It defends itself by being liked, or understood, or misunderstood, or hated. Whatever. An artist can only make an ass of himself by responding to critics." i think this is the one thread where i really have said anything in opposition to comments made about my music.. and i could have done much worse by saying things like "OMFG FUCK YOU YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ME I AM AMAZING",which i dont really think. .but its just an example of what i DIDNT do. In all honestly,i dont think i have gotten into one arguement about peoples opinions over my music,aside from this one.. this is more or less a fluke, and i think its because this is my first full length hardcopy release on cd AND vinyl. "The vinyl thing isn't so much a comment on Wisphex as on the general fallacy that something on vinyl is worth intrinsicly more, and sounds better. It sounds different, like it sounds different on cassette, or on different stereos / car radios / headphones. " I mentione the vinyl because i know there are people out there who would rather own an LP than CD. Thats all. You are just going overboard with being a ripe dick. I |
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but, are you saying that wisp is 'slavishly copying sub-sub-sub-sub-genres of music', or not? The first part of the paragraph suggests not, the last bit suggests yes. Its a little unclear. |
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^^^ follow up to #01745371 |
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It seems almost impossible to respond in anyway to any comment on a piece of music you've made. Responding to a positive comment can be taken as arrogent, responding to a negative one can be taken as overly defensive. I agree with what someone said before "this is probably why signed artists dont hang out on message boards" or something to that extent. My only advice is don't get absorbed in it. Any more arguing or clarifying, will just lead to more arguing and unclarified stances etc. Its kind of a catch 22. Let people think what they want, and dont defend it (too much) or something. I dont know. |
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This thread is a good read, definitely some very good what-not-to-do's for future reference, cheers! |
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My thoughts exactly, the best thing you can do is just letting people know you're grateful for their input, something I've just recently realized :) |
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yeah, its taken me a long time to get to this point as well, and I still fail at it from time to time. its not easy just offering up a piece of yourself... in many ways |
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There's one person, maybe two, in this thread that doesn't really like the music, then pretty much everyone else thinks it's good. I mean, that's a fair ratio, isn't it? I don't want to be a dick about this, i think it's great anyone gets it together to do an album. It's oloy because I like this style of music and don't like to see it get sold off as just another genre that I get a bit pissy. |
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Indeed, it requires much discipline to put yourself out for display. |
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and thats a good point... as arrogent as it may seem, is you gotta just ignore people who don't like your music. its pointless to try to change their opinion, or convince them to like it etc... just be thankful that people take time to even listen. take comfort in the general ratios of good responses... if everyone says its shit, then maybe they are on to something. still no use in defending it though, because you cant change peoples minds on stuff like this... |
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this is actually a decent side of xlt i have never seen before. dare i say i'm warming up to this place! on the off topic subject at hand, i agree it's probably better to just let the crits slide by. all the times i've gotten shit on by spamming here have just made me a bit more reserved in the way i articulate things. basically, i just try to be polite and factual. :D |
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and by crits ^ as i posted above, i guess i really meant to say slander. i welcome criticism, like any artist should. |
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criticism is a good thing,for sure. its helped with alot of shit..not nessecarily on tracks,but how to approach getting my music out there. The only thing i still really have trouble dealing with is people being negative for the sake of being negative. I can deal with it,for the most part..but sometimes it just gets to me. to round this off though,thanks for the comments shot my way. ive said it many times before,but if this isnt your cup of tea,thats cool. im not going out of my way to be genre bending,jjust trying to write music that i enjoy . kibbles and bits. |
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xlt is ace. as is watmm, its just a matter of preference, ya know ? wisp & zeus, you bothe make great music, keep on the path FCUK THE HATORZ ! wisp>just wondering, why on your site is you cd w/shipping $17.00, any way of getting it a bit cheaper , just wondering. |
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<3 |
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17 bucks,that includes shipping. Anywhere in the world. Eventually the C D will be w/ distributors and im sure you will be able to find a price that suites you then. But for now,the preorders are a little more. |
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for my 2 cents worth, the wisp track on the crimson compilation was a standout track and i've kept my eyes out for any other music made . i think you have the potential to be a name in this genre, time will tell |
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man those samples suck horse cock |
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dont talk yer shite man |
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i like first track |
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Are all those samples from the same track or wut? |
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Well then i would suppose its a good thing that you are learning to deal with it over the saftey of the internet and not getting all defensive in real life because i would assume that would be embarassing. Now granted i have listened to just about everything plantre has posted here about his label and other artists. I used to be active (minorly) in EKT and then went to browsing. Overall i came to the following conclusions... 1. Yes wisp you make good music. But its just that "good". I'd bet if you keep working at it and keep pushing yourself it can be even better. You do have talent so kudos for that! 2. Negitive comments are the best possible comments that you can recieve. Why? They push you as an artist. They sting and you want to do better next time. They work as good solid critisism that isolates a particular problem and strips it naked right in front of everyone. Comments like "good job" and "YO TIHS ROCK0Rzz" are merely only an ego boost. Enough of those and the output will remain similar for long than it should. Negitive comments work as a suggestion to make changes to avoid them next time. That plus the abilty to take risks and try things you dont normally do usually equals success (based on the artist) You definately have the talent here. But then again this post was for everyone and not really targeted at you. :) P.S. Big artists do post here but they dont spam their music because it speaks for itself. I've noticed they just blend in with other users. |
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i'd appreciate it if you made your own spam topic |
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i thought it was plantre who was "spamming" the wisp. any of you fuckers who had a cd out on any real label would be coming here to "spam" the release. and then there would be a queue around the block of people waiting to bitch about the "spam." now, let us all live and love as zilty intended. |
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yes, it'd suck if aphex spammed his new releases here, for instance |
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that'd be great. i'd assume the responces would be "lush" |
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or "It's alright" |
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He'd probably get mad and threaten to not release tha deleted cat and q-chastic again LOL |
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if richard showed up i think the board would be paralyzed by the relentless reflexive ass kissing. wow, pun not even intended. the exception to the xltronic rule. |
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you know we could be our own market... |
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Exactly. |
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