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in which cases, if any case at all, is it IMPORANT for one experiencing a musical piece to KNOW what the intentions of the creator of the musical piece actually was while the creator was creating the piece of music? how does this affect the value of the music... and ommiting curiosity, WHY does a listener feel yearned to understand and comprehend the basis of the creation of the piece of music... the footing of the question is really, WHY; WHY does the listener want to know more? is it causal of unfulfillment with the original content of the song, or what is it? personally i think it has to do with being young, and, walking hand-in-hand with that, there is the electric charge of adolescence and immaturity, and wanting to be a part of something larger, and thus only being able to grasp what is received and enjoyed as a small piece of the whole... and there many artists take advantage of this. many who dont as well. i also think that with this there are relations to one mans search for God... and how that, like i said, electrical charge of adolescence and the as-a-result inability to view accept a piece as the whole.. do you guys get where im going. just some stuff been running through my head... kinda like a staple gun out of nowhere shooting staples into my brain each time i ply one off, sort of sticks there. id like to know what you guys think about it or gotta say |
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and one more thing; why doesn't this happen with videogames? there have been games in which i've had extreme emotional responses to, some purely reactionary (for example quake3, ikaruga) and some more calming and, sort of energizing of caring and kindness (ico, final fantasy 7 and X) but ive always felt that that is because those games necessarily have endings and once i master the skill necessary to beat them ,i beat them. i can't beat songs. like, i think sometimes about, i dunno, ill throw one out there, draft 7.30. ok. reniform puls is the last boss of draft 7.30, as is kinda like sublimit is the last boss to untilted, the blackhole is sorta the last boss of message at the depth, etc. i feel i have a good GRASP on those songs, then i understand them. do you understand that? make sense? but still i go back and its like, i have to beat them again. the challenge. so you relate music and video games... video games are like really hard to understand music... |
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very interesting *genuine* it's true. how important is it to know why the music was made? does it mean that an aboriginee enjoying an aphex track isn't realy enjoying it because he knows nothing about the spiritual side behind the track? |
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this thread is pretty stupid actually, nevermind |
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YEAH exactly. how much of personal bias, and early-environmental factors actually have to do with the musical experience, from person to person? like what if you played ray charles a venetian snares track... |
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about the games thing (didn't quite understand :S) From past experience I've liked a track because i was playing a level and so i could relate my succes and exhileration with the music. the music and images were as one. Later I isolated the track by itself and it was irrecognisable plus i found i didn't like it as much. |
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it depends on what your really into, and in what way. eg. a scientific approach would consist of only analysing and enjoying the music itself as an object ie how the harmony in bar twelve clashes with the syncopated melody in the same bar. a more spiritual way would be trying to give the music more meaning by researching about it ie the track is 10x better because it was composed in memory of the composers late wife. |
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yeah i do actually get where you're going. it would make a good term paper, and im glad someone is asking. i've asked this myself a lot. i think knowing artist intention is important when trying to determine if the artist achieved what he or she set to do. i think we as observers are trying to assess whether or not we are interested in the artist and their further works. does the artist have any true skill (to our own opinion of what skill is) or has the artist simply been lucky w/ a series of happy accidents? |
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if listeners listen only to assess whether or not they will be interested in the artist and their further works; and it is based upon skill; does that not mean that all artist then would have to get better constantly which each album? in what case would skill, on the artist part, be important to the music? what does it matter how good the artist is able to use his or her components? i think it is, personally, the music is a stand-alone connection between the listener and the artist; regardless of artists attention to the listener or any other intention. the artist is a lego or knex unit, swivels the music lego out, and the user connects to the music lego with the dots going in... that is what the relationship is like i think. so, with that, i think it is impossible to know what the artist is kinda up-to unless he or she decides to swivel out a lego containing the info as to why they are, you connect to that too and the plastic info communication sort of blends it all into one big knex smash and there you have that understanding of why they did the track and what its supposed to do. other times they dont have to do that. look at the stuff coming from african tribes, brazillian tribes... it sounds phat but that is just part of their culture. they do not even have the idea that the music is their career; it doesnt earn them any more or gets them interviews in a magazine or anything. they just swivel it out... so when you get someone that really digs that shit, sort of idolizes or has an extremely high appreciation of it, like you said its sort of an "intentional accident" |
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this is another grey area... it may also be important for the listener to know what the artists intentions are if the artist is trying to teach the listener something, or sway the user to a certain intention. im really talking about music without words, or with abstract words that dont make sense when you hear them. or the meaning is layered; that is, layered under the actual words. making the listener have to 'listen between the lines' |
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