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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-07-31 16:33 [#01680350]
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who can tell me ?
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-07-31 16:34 [#01680351]
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and why should i buy myself an ibook instead of a pc laptop?
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-31 16:43 [#01680353]
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stick with a pc laptop,but not a vaio like i did:(
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ToXikFB
on 2005-07-31 16:47 [#01680355]
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ae explained macs very well in some interview... "macs are like brick walls, but even brick walls have a use"
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ecnadniarb
on 2005-07-31 16:47 [#01680356]
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Macs used to be used because they where completely solid and reliable due to being a consistant hardware platform with a custom operating system. However in recent years Windows has became a solid platform and the power of your average PC is more than sufficient to run and music making apps. Apples are used now because they are trendy and some people are just used to the platform. Like hanal says stick with a PC laptop (I have also had nasty times with Vaio's though)
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-31 16:54 [#01680359]
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like lee said, macs were known for being more stable than windows-based laptops, but now they are virtually even.
years ago, in the recording industry, many people used cubase for their computer-based recording platform, but at one stage the cubase software became very unstable and producers began to move over to the more reliable, and frequently updated (fixed) mac programs, such as logic - which apple subsequently bought.
and i think it is true that macs have become 'trendy', with their easily recognisable image. some of my lecturers are constantly arguing over which is better pc or mac - but really it's just a petty arguement, as the better one is the one that is right for you.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-07-31 16:59 [#01680361]
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that was my thought too!
i mean i have always heard people telling me about the reliability of macs. but i mean for doing music they seem to suck kinda.
for example ableton live - which works half that good on macs...
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yann_g
from now on 2005-07-31 17:20 [#01680382]
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because 2 buttons + 1 wheel on a mouse are too many.
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rotunda
on 2005-07-31 17:54 [#01680405]
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because apple will one day own planet earth, might as well get used to it
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SonarKhemist
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-31 18:13 [#01680414]
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Garageband, Sibelius, there is a lot of programs on the mac that are superior to most music software out there.
My brother uses garage band an sibelius, i use fruity loops5, hammerhead studio, acid music studio 5.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-31 18:15 [#01680416]
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sibelius is available on both platforms.
garageband doesnt seem anything special :-/
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asymmhead
from south pasadena (United States) on 2005-07-31 18:17 [#01680418]
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ecnadniarb: Apples are used now because they are trendy and some people are just used to the platform.
i don't know about trendy... but i am used to the platform since i learned computer usage on a mac back in the day. but "mylittlesister" makes the best point in this thread... whatever works for you is cool.
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2005-07-31 18:46 [#01680461]
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apple owns emagic, who makes logic audio. you've probably never seen logic past 5.5 because the mac versions are a lot harder to crack. logic is an excellent environment.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-31 18:47 [#01680464]
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logic is good, but they are cunts, releasing updates almost every 6months [slight exaggeration], and then forcing current users to pay £100+ for the updates.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-07-31 18:49 [#01680468]
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you have to be kidding.. ofcourse macs are trendy. ipods are trendy. anything Apple is trendy.
and they heavily market their products on being trendy (hence overdesigning everything).
I'm not saying it's wrong they're trendy - that's trends for you, can't control them - Apple has just been very handy in cashing in on their supposed hipness.
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rotunda
on 2005-07-31 18:50 [#01680469]
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They are white, therefore futuristic
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asymmhead
from south pasadena (United States) on 2005-07-31 23:04 [#01680537]
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i'm telling you from my point of view... i don't gush over the newest mac computers and accesories... macs are what i learned with so that is what i prefer... i don't buy it for looks... sure everything i have is mac... i have 2 imacs, an ibook, 2 ipods... and i'm about to buy a powerbook. that is just what i preffer to use.
but i see how you may think it's trendy... you already explained it with the marketing and the so called "overdesigning".
but you assume everyone that buys macs are trendy... and that is where you are wrong.
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OK
on 2005-07-31 23:16 [#01680541]
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because you'll simply be happier using a mac. it's like the difference between living in a nicely decorated house or a mess, or the difference between a party with music you like and one with music you don't.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2005-08-01 00:13 [#01680557]
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the only difference is the mac does what you ask it to.
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Aloysius
from what once was / spank me! (Netherlands, The) on 2005-08-01 00:30 [#01680558]
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but you assume everyone that buys macs are trendy... and that is where you are wrong.
i dont think he did sugar
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b6662966
from ? on 2005-08-01 00:50 [#01680566]
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as a person who is required to work on both macs and pcs, ive come to realize that when pushed to their limits they both fuckin suck. and as linux sucks even more than pc or mac i refuse to use that crap. so in the end it comes down to 4 things:
1) which is cheaper 2) which is easier to repair and/or purchase replacement parts for
3) which is easier to get software for (legal or not) 4) Finally which looks better
well right off the bat, PCs take the first three with ease. macs obviously look a hell of a lot better so naturally people who make a living surrounded by the visual arts/ industrial arts or even art in general are going to be willing to overlook the first 3 points. another thing is that initially adobe only produced for apple, so eventually when they began making software for PCs apple had already ingrained themselves so deeply into the computer design culture that PCs simply wouldnt be accepted.
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b6662966
from ? on 2005-08-01 00:57 [#01680568]
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*i meant to say PCs running windoze and Pcs running linux
linux is crap
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-08-01 01:03 [#01680569]
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Mac and PC differ when it comes to ergonimics. For me. Apple is like using your left hand. PC is like using your right hand. Assuming you are ambidextures, but kinda lean to your right hand. Macs also feel cleaner cause you don't (seemingly) have all this shit embedded in your system when you install a program. (well, ok, OSX is a little like that) ATTENTION! Is there a real uninstaller program for OSX, yet? I stopped using mac when I had a lombard. I used Jaguar for a bit.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-08-01 01:05 [#01680570]
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ambidextrous
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 13:11 [#01681235]
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wtf ?? floops on a mac ?? huh ?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-08-01 13:22 [#01681248]
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Macs don't try to do stuff for you without telling you and just slowly become completely occupied with their own daft little tasks
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-01 13:29 [#01681259]
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i use a mac all the time, though i used to have a pc. i bought the mac (powerbook) for music production, but i soon realised that i suck at it. but after using a mac for about 4 years now, there is no way i would go back to a pc. all the pc bods that i know have shitloads of pop ups and stuff, whereas my mac doesn't seem to get that stuff.
getting an imac g5 in a couple of weeks :)
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-08-01 13:35 [#01681267]
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i want a mac cause i like playing with nerdy stuff.
kthxbye!
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2005-08-01 13:38 [#01681270]
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ive got a mac with two buttons and a wheel
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-08-01 13:39 [#01681272]
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SCANDALOUS !
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 13:42 [#01681276]
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hm...
maybe powerbooks are worth it.... but i could just afford an ibook... that doesn't seem worthy.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-01 13:50 [#01681286]
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yeah ibooks are not powerful enough for what you want to use them for.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2005-08-01 14:05 [#01681300]
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buy a mac mini, the fun part is trying not smash the case to pieces trying to upgrading the ram yourself.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2005-08-01 14:06 [#01681302]
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wow so have i, we must be like, brothers an stuff
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 15:14 [#01681366]
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lol
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rzezniq
from gorzow (Poland) on 2005-08-01 15:29 [#01681380]
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Why? 1. they just work 2. they are very solid and durable 3. they look beautyfull 4. they are virusproof 5. they do what you wan`t them to do 6. they have shitloads of good software (yes Sadist - live suxxx)
7. they life is much longer than standard pcs and so on...
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_gvarek_
from next to you (Poland) on 2005-08-01 15:33 [#01681382]
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I don't know anything abut macs but it's such a nice thread.
czesc chlopcy, polski power!
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rzezniq
from gorzow (Poland) on 2005-08-01 15:34 [#01681383]
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However the cheapest Ibook seams to be ok for Astrobotnia?? G3 400mhz powerbook is ok for Karkowski and Merzbow?? :)??
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 15:40 [#01681386]
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karkowski & merzbow are doing noise mate....
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-08-01 15:45 [#01681390]
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fuck macs, fuck pcs - they're all the same one big company producing different computers - just to have you talk about them !
polish chlopaki in da hooooouse !
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rzezniq
from gorzow (Poland) on 2005-08-01 15:45 [#01681391]
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So noise is worse than the other music? Is it easy to do good noise?
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 15:46 [#01681392]
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slow down mate - get some wodka :D
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-01 15:47 [#01681394]
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it doesn't use so many resources than "normal" music
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_gvarek_
from next to you (Poland) on 2005-08-01 15:49 [#01681396]
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noise is good, it purges your brain!
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-08-01 15:53 [#01681401]
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khe khe ! nah, too early for that ! :P
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-01 15:57 [#01681402]
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macs are not virusproof, it is simply that the majority of viruses are aimed at microsoft products/files/drivers/etc.
pc's can 'live' just as long as macs if you treat them correctly, which includes how the hardware is treated, and how the software is installed and organised.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-08-01 15:58 [#01681404]
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"but you assume everyone that buys macs are trendy... and that is where you are wrong."
you assume I assume that everyone who buys macs are trying to be trendy - which is where you are wrong.
I never said anything like it.
I was saying that the products that Apple make are perceived as being trendy and that Apple makes good use of this to sell their products.
I'm not saying that this sellingpoint works on everyone.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-08-01 17:07 [#01681440]
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FINAL ANSWER
Macs look like they are made for girls
PC's are amazing
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furrybum
from Derby (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-01 17:48 [#01681470]
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macs are built to work. most pcs are built from components made by a million different manufacturers which can cause conflicts between the different parts. Your standard pc could have been built by anybody. A mac is built by apple and tested by apple so that all the parts work as they should do.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-01 17:58 [#01681475]
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my pc is built by me and tested by me, i feel much more in control.
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