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it's pathetic to see the rediculous responses to these attacks on London. i think there will be about 60 to 70 deaths when everything is sorted through, not that many. ok even 1 death at the hands of another is bad but why does the fact it occured on a western city to the western populace make it so much more important than similar numbers of innocent people dying daily in Iraq? obviously i am not trying to defend the militant actions of an extremist faction i would just like to know why you all seem to value the life of a Londoner so much more highly than humans in other parts of the world. |
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so what are we supposed to do? carry on like nothing happened? why couldn't this have been posted in the original thread. |
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because there are multiple threads and i didn't want one of the tribute topics turning into a discussion on this matter. it is sufficiently different to warrant its own topic. and to answer your points i think it is only right it is discussed but it annoys me to see all the gushy behaviour when there are far worse attrocities going on unnoticed over the world. |
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you mean a multiple thread like this one? |
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"why does the fact it occured on a western city to the western populace make it so much more important than similar numbers of innocent people dying daily in Iraq?" 1. It's close to home. So therefor newsworthy 2. It's not normal. So therefor newsworthy 3. Terrorism is already newsworthy If it wasn't on the news then we wouldn't know and we wouldn't be posting these comments. |
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Really, you're very bold coming out with that on the Internet, on XLT, the home of informed opinion. Fancy people being upset about bombings in London, it's only 60 or 70 people you estimate dead, and the hundreds wounded, and their families, and the people that will get caught up in the repurcussions. It's all so silly getting worked up about it. |
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you're certainly right that one human life is as important as the next. |
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Atrocites are reported every day, from all parts of the world. I don't hear you going off to Darfur to alleviate suffering, going to Afghanistan, going into the jungles of Cambodia, I just hear you tapping your fucking keyboard claiming some moral impartiality. |
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'stop over reacting' is certainly a highly inadequate way of referfing to it. Bunch of stupid fucking children. |
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i never said it was silly getting worked up about it, i also never said only 60 or 70 people, please read what i wrote again without adding your own slant on it and please refrain from adding emotive language into what was a genuine question. |
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please highlight these "ridiculous responses". |
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I have to conclude that the laughably obtuse observations posted here are an attempt to deliberately wind people up. |
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No it wasn't a geniune question. If you want to begin with a title like that then you deserve any manner of response. You're a fucking prick. Grow up. |
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the words 'pathetic' and 'ridicolous' are not emotive in any way. how dare you misinterpret his attention seeking as something more coherant. |
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what a strange and quite frankly stupid post to make. i'm not claiming moral impartiality at all nor am i saying that people shoudn't by shocked appauled and saddened by todays actions, i was merely asking why given that "Atrocites are reported every day, from all parts of the world." people aren't as bothered about them? whether it is the uk, cambodia, afghanistan or anywhere else i'm not really bothered because i don't really care. |
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Again, look at your title. What did you expect boy? |
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Sorry, in a thread titled "stop overreacting" and starting with "It's pathetic the rediculous repsonses..." about a terrorist attack in London doesn't really indicate your posing a "serious question". If you want a fucking non-plussed reaction go and visit Iran's leading electronic music board, and not one that has a high proportion of British, Americans, Europeans, Londoners etc. Jesus fuck, I hope you're not bitter this didn't happen in Liverpool, where they could've really milked it for all it was worth. |
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WTF happened. I haven't watched the news in weeks. All I get is the occasional snippet of Rush Limbaugh comming from my co-workers radio. You all know Rush, he doesn't know any words other than "bush" "saddamn" or "democrat". The only time he would mention London is if a bunch of people from there protested against his lover, george w. |
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think about ur question, and answer it yourself. |
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another thread I hadnt seen such a spammer since tridenti |
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shut up on the internet. |
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Your problem is seriously with the media and government. To show innocent deaths in iraq on the news everyday would be anti-government and so that's why we don't hear about it. What's more, if it is reported then it is often read in a very objective way with little or no feeling and much less airtime. The way the news is presented does influence the way we see and think about it. If iraq issues were reported in the same way that they were today then we would have similar comments. I am sure of this. |
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It's a shame that one would even try to instigate a flame war over this incident. Not to sound like a hippie, but I think we need to focus more on who we can help rather than who we can harm during this crisis. |
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gay_dad its a shame you seem to find the need to agressively attack people you disagree with foul language. if it happened in liverpool it wouldnt bother me either unless it directly affected me. stuff happens. nacmat with 25705 posts i think it is fair for me to tell you to shut up. |
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perhaps that's why the world is the way it is. "it wouldnt bother me either unless it directly affected me. |
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I have made the effort to post to you. I really do expect some kind of response. |
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i wasnt trying to instigate anything of the sort. Raz0rBlade_uk thankyou for your level headed comments, it's nice to see not everyone is too emotional for rational conversation. |
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i like the thread-title |
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Well next time you want reasoned debate, genius, don't start your miserable little messageboard thread with "it's pathetic to see the rediculous repsonses..." about a terrorist attack in London on a board where some of the members live, work, have friends and family in London and have spent today worried sick ringing people up to see if they're ok? And I'll call you a fucking cunt if I want, whatever the current events are. |
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i agree in part with your comments, although i think even if the media outlets reported other events to the same degree people would still be apathetic about it. unless it effects "people like us" then it does attract less interest from the western populace in general. i apologise for the way i opened the first post, the way i typed it was out of context to what i meant. i also didn't want to directly relate it to the board but there world at large and i seemed to have failed miserably in that as well. |
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Hmmm, wow! I wondered how it would be before this happened. I don't think we are all completely stupid. The only reason for this reaction is that it is OUR cities and OUR people. I mean really... It IS that simple. I know that things are happening all over the world but to try and feel the same thing for somewhere half of us will never even go to, is ridiculous. It isn't possible. Otherwise we'd all be hanging ourselves. Anyway, incoherent rant over. |
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feel free to call me whatever you like, beause the moment i let a worthless dot on the internet bother me is the day ill just call it quits and end it all. that day is not likely to occur soon no matter how much you would like it. it is a pity you cant manage to communicate in a civilised manner though |
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yes yes i agree with you but most people would disagree that they are more concerned over OUR cities and OUR people. why should people from the US, France or Spain feel any more strongly over this horrific attack taking place in the UK than hugely similar attacks taking place daily against innocent people in Iraq? |
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well... I havent been here for 2 weeks like you... I post here for 4 years now... that might explain a little. and dont try to be so intelligent, cos you look pathetic now go start your 20th thread in two weeks |
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It can be very difficult to feel empathy for people who come from a foreign place that you have never visited |
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count the number of threads i have started and look at what they are about, with the exception of this one i beleive they have all been music related. better than most of your contributions. also, talking about intelligence it should have occured to you that at my current rate of posting i would have about 14000 at the end of 4 years which would be a little short of your 26000. |
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yes, but people find it easy to empathise with total strangers over the internet from places they have never visited but they consider to be OUR people. this didn't turn out the way i hoped but thanks go to yourself and skink for somewhat redeeming it. cheers |
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I never talked about your posts, I talked about the number of threads started take it easy man... on the other hand... yes this thread shows a lot of intelligence from your part |
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I personally think most people are just being curtious and don't actually feel that much emotion for their loss or situation. |
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nacmat from what i have seen on the board you seemed like a nice fella. please feel free to list out of the topics i have created how many of them (aside from this one) that aren't fitting for a music discussion board. thanks. razorblade_uk, once again i agree. |
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perhaps there are multiple reasons then, not just one single definate reason. |
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there probably are which is what i wanted to discuss, but maybe my timing of making this topic was ill advised. the moderators could close it or do whatever they do now because im sorry it turned out so stupidly. |
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ok. lets calm down a little you are fine, except fr this thread but it was you the first to talk about points and all that... so for me you looked like a little, obsessed with that I think you implied that me having so many points was for posting short nonsense posts and you also acused aesthetics of that this two comments were done by you in the same day, so I thought, god this guy is really obsessed with points and on the other hand you really are starting a good amount of threads fo the time you ve been here... so I thought it was a little incoherent |
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outpt, you've come acrross as verry stupid in this thrread. |
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yes and you dont look stupid at all with your double r gimmick. i made a mistake, which i acknowledged, but you being the weak pitiful character you are seem to be trying to use it to boost your fragile ego. save it for someone who cares. |
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outpt: so what the hell are you doing for the people suffering around the world? U bitch like a little twat about ALL THE PEOPLE dying in other countries and how nobody gives a fuck. So what are you doing for the good of people jesus? I hate little twats like you that sit back and bitch bitch bitch and down play people suffering. outpt go fuck yourself and grow up. |
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nacmat you are saying because i made two points related comments in 130 posts i was a little obsessed? thats crasy talk. i dont even remember making them. |
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well i'm sure you've just persuaded him into action with your wonderous comment. |
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i hope so =) |
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jtalton: perhaps if you slowed down and actually thought about what you read you would see i wasnt "bitching "like a twat" about people dying in other countries at all. so please, in future, think before you engage your fingers in a gutteral rant. |
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