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offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2005-06-27 14:44 [#01645803]
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I've heard one or two tunes by this guy and i know some of
you around here are fans of his stuff. Whats a good album
to start listening to by him? are there any video
documentary's on him? where do i begin the guy made so much
music and everything.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-27 14:45 [#01645804]
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Wait until redrum enters this thread.

Start with "you cant do that on stage anymore vol 2 the
helsinki concert"

I've got it on tape! Is so so great!


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-27 14:47 [#01645805]
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'hot rats' is probably one of his most famous, i'd recommend
it. it's got captain beefheart singing 'willie the pimp' on
it, followed by an 8minute zappa solo. Great song!


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-27 14:49 [#01645807]
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Songs that you must hear are as follows:

"montana" and or the version on that CD i recommended
"montana (whipping post)"

arrrgh.... i just sat here for a while drawing absolute
blanks. Just like when you go to browse CD's at a record
store but you cant remember what you want to look for.


 

offline welt on 2005-06-27 14:54 [#01645814]
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i have no idea .. but sheik yerbouti


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-27 14:56 [#01645817]
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WHIPPING POST! i'm afraid we don't know that one could you
hum us a few bars?

great thanks..

emmm yes it depends what you want to listen to - he made all
sorts of music. my favourite stuff is his jazz/rock
instrumental stuff, i think anyone with a keen taste in
music would appreciate its beauty:

hot rats
the grand wazoo
waka/jawaka
zoot allures
over-nite sensation
one size fits all
roxy & elsewhere
live @ the filmore 1971

they're all albums i could never live without. you might
want to check out "jazz from hell", it's his synclavier
stuff (programmed computer), although i only ever really
listen to 2 tracks from it, not very keen on it.. (those two
tracks are 'night school' and 'g-spot tornado' for those who
are interested).

i really wish he was alive today. i'm so certain he'd dig
aphex and squarepusher and would be making his own idm
sorta stuff, but very melodic in a be-bop way. he described
his own music, especially his live soloing, as creating live
"air sculptures".. which is essentially what idm artists
nowadays are doing (especially autechre) - crafting
sound very intricately.

also, i have to second virginpusher's reccomendation of
YCDTOSA #2, there's an AMAZING version of inca roads on it.
there's also an amazing version of big swifty on YCDTOSA
#1..

*double click* oh yes it's pure bliss... that keyboard
solo..


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-27 14:58 [#01645821]
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OMG!!! INCA ROADS!!!! Thats exactly the song i was trying to
think of! Phew!!!!! I feel so much better now. That was
killing me.

"it must be a john cage compisition!"

and also that song where they do the music first and then
the vocals completely seperate.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-27 15:03 [#01645827]
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which one's that? to be honest i kinda stick to those songs
from YCDTOSA.. which is bad.. but yeah.

i'm not smoking hash anymore and that's kinda contributed to
my neglecting my complete fz collection.

your description of that song reminds me of the version of
inca roads on "the best band you never heard in your life",
where they don't do the really fast verse at the end
(didavehiclecomefrom...) and just put in bits ("her fiire"..
or whatever it is).

and they do a funny "sample" of stayin' alive too :D


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-27 15:17 [#01645850]
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Its on YCDTOSA. where they do the music and they say "and
now for the vocals without the music" or something. I think
someone does brief tap dancing aswell


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-27 15:19 [#01645854]
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i phrases that first bit badly. i meant "i kinda stick to
those songs i listed from YCDTOSA"..

i'll give #2 a full run through sometime soon (perhaps
tomorrow in work) and see what you're talkin about :)


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-27 15:24 [#01645862]
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Most excellent. Some songs on there are not as good as some
others but when you are on a road trip it totally works
quite well~!


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2005-06-27 18:40 [#01646032]
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I would start with Freak Out!, Absolutely Free and We're
Only in it for the Money. In fact, that's what I did, long
ago. They're all full pop song structures but still totally
fucked up. Then I'd move on to Hot Rats and Uncle Meat. In
fact, that's what I did, long ago.


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-06-27 21:39 [#01646063]
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Gag me with a spoon!


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-28 02:38 [#01646125]
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i'll make you wear red shoes


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-28 04:00 [#01646205]
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Well this site currently has some good Zappa
torrents if you want to check him out. I've just downloaded
them :D


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-28 04:01 [#01646208]
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good stuff :D

there's a 9.3GB zappa torrent on torrentspy, i got my friend
to download that for me a while ago, and went to his house
and copied it onto the laptop.

All his albums (72) and about 20 or so bootlegs/rarities


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-28 04:02 [#01646210]
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however...... if you're just starting to listen to zappa,
you don't want to download 9gb of his stuff, especially when
I, a die-hard fan, don't listen to about.. 35 of the albums,
AT ALL.

some of his stuff is just dreadful :/


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-28 04:04 [#01646214]
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Awesome! I wish I'd found that torrent before this one. I'll
check it out anywya :D


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2005-06-28 05:44 [#01646328]
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There are two good cds to get if you want to get a broad
slab of zappa. The first is called 'cheap thrills', and is
quite cheap for a CD. you can get it in HMV or something.
The second is 'son of cheap thrills', again HMV.
Both have a good broad selection of his stuff IMHO.


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-06-28 05:45 [#01646329]
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mmm I'm definately not a fan at all.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-28 05:46 [#01646331]
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And OF COURSE, you have listened to his stuff, HAVEN'T you?



 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-06-28 10:10 [#01646640]
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yeah I have actually, a strange girl I know lent me one of
the albums and I gave it a listen but really wasn't
impressed with his style....not particularly good vocals,
tunes or lyrics. It was a pink disc, no idea what the album
was though.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-28 12:51 [#01646781]
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yeah you can't judge zappa from one fucking cd, he made 72
fucking albums. fucking.

i don't like his "songs" either but i still idolise the guy,
he was an amazing musician and person.


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-06-28 13:54 [#01646829]
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... she was sucking cock!


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-06-28 13:55 [#01646831]
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Zappa helped save music from the evil clutches of Tipper
gore. That fat bitch.


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-06-28 14:20 [#01646850]
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I come from NOOOO WHEREEEEEE


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-06-28 15:54 [#01646898]
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hahaaha!

+2


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-11-13 09:25 [#02001465]
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why have i not listened to zappa until today. its fucking
good.


 

offline Co-existence from Bergen (Norway) on 2006-11-13 16:46 [#02001677]
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Apostrophe!

And We're only in it for the money

Don't forget Hot Rats!



 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-13 18:21 [#02001696]
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it's the SHIZAM!

i've really taken to a few songs on albums i'd never have
listened to... "the orange county lumber truck".. "the
(orchestral) duke of prunes" (fucking INCREDIBLE).. "sofa
#2"..

he was the man :(


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-11-13 18:28 [#02001699]
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i spent the afternoon listening to Sheik Yerbouti, it was
quite the journey


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-13 18:33 [#02001704]
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one of my least favourite zappa albums, but it has valley
girl on it which is ok like twice a year


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-11-14 06:53 [#02001849]
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wow thanks for the response. i've actually got a copy of
apostrophe & sheik yerbouti. and i've spent so much time
just breaking down these albums...the complexity of the
tracks and everything is just so great. i've found a ton of
interviews he did on youtube...and now i'm more interested
in seeing some of his video/film projects. what a cool cool
dude.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-14 07:15 [#02001851]
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if you're interested, www.zappateers.org is a great place
for downloading live shows and demos.


 

offline Cnut from the future on 2006-11-14 12:17 [#02002087]
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we're only in it for the money
Hot RAts



 


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