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we had a nice lecture and an open discusion afterwards earlier this evening. it was focused on electronic music as it's the genere without a history in a way and you can't put most of it in some social context as opposed to most other genres. we came to conclusion that it's impossible to create a pure sound..it's a totally subjective perception that makes it impossible to define..perhaps the closest thing would be if it was mathematically generated, or perhaps if someone made a machine (btw, i think it was done, so in case someone knows by who please let me know :) that would put out random sounds..without any patterns..you'd just fill it with samples and it would randomly play..but then again, samples aren't pure sound, no matter whether they're made from old recordings or field recordings.. what do you find to be the purest sound in context of music ofcourse? :) oh, and im not sure i explained this too well..i hope some of you get at least some idea of what im trying to say :) |
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a tubular bell, pure and powerfull |
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i don't understand what a pure sound is. |
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are you talking about influence and the derivativeness of music? or actual sound waves? |
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Maybe a stone hitting the water, or an ass being severely pounded, crying, or bread being toasted. |
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OHH LOOK!! welcome back hobbes!! r40f, well about the sound in context of electronic music if that makes any sense :) |
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I know what you mean, and I've been thinking about how you could create a completely "new" or "pure" sound for a while. I guess the only way is through new technology dedicated to producing sounds that are completely and utterly new waveforms. |
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hi hobbes! that's a good point. i guess sounds that would naturally occur because they have no inherent context in relation to art or music. i'm still not sure i'm answering the right question, though. |
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the splash of a water droplet |
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Hey, that's my favorite sample to use in my stuff. :) You can do endless stuff with pitching water droplet sounds, reversing them, mapping them to drum machine pads and banging them out live, etc... Great. |
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I was just making my post count more even, and getting rid of this horrid "addict" status i had even after not posting for months. |
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God you're still here. Hasn't mappatazee briefed you or something? |
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I am still here. And no, he hasn't. |
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haha in no time you'll be an addict again..excellent! |
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What i was trying to say is that i never left my addict status, wich pissed me off. |
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yes, but posting at this rate you'll become an addict very soon again <3 |
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btw, is there a chance i could get a few more pics of albert? he's awesome on that pic with the bell around his neck :) in the meanwhile here's a recent pic of toro. |
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what are you talking about?, sine waves as in test tones? |
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i just want to say it's great that hobbes is back and all the sounds i have in my soul are pure. especially now. |
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i don't know really..we didn't come down to technicalities really..perhaps that would give us an answer, but i don't think any of us would be able to analyse it in that way..perhaps that's why we weren't able to get an answer. |
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oh, and i've really read the first post two times, Tolst. it's all just sounds. and music. *launches ipacial section* |
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a 17th century german organ |
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can you give me an example of music that isn't "pure"? because i don't understand what you are trying to get an answer to. perhaps you are reading to deep into it? |
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it being music |
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all music? :) |
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why? because it's calculated? if it weren't, it wouldn't be music. |
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Once, I made a sound. |
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well, there's improvisation music which comes quite close to that definition..although there's still the the author influence factor involved :D |
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was it a pure fart sound? |
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Yes, and it was deep, yo. |
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japanese artists come quite close to it as well..perhaps the closest. they just make a sound, nothing behind it, they just make it because they can :) |
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I still have no idea what you mean with a 'pure sound', Goran. |
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ah i don't either.. just sound..when the sound alone fascinates you..when you don't immediately start to think where does it come from, when you don't start putting it into some context right away..hmm, perhaps i'll explain it better in the morning :) |
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this sounds like a very interesting conversation you were having... i'm not understanding how electronic music is not historical, though... |
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i think if i didn't know hecker was a computer/noise artist i'd be completely baffled at where these sounds came from even so, i don't know how he makes them this question, like everyone said, is quite confusing were you stoned at the time, tolstoyed? |
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the sound of one hand clapping? |
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In electronic music... pure sound? Honestly, I would challenge that with any other kind of music. I can't really think of many musics nowadays that rely upon a pure, unaltered sound. Although, if you look at the symphony for dot matrix printers by the user, all the sounds are generated by printers that are sequenced by various text files that are all sent to print at the same time. If I understand what you mean by pure sound, that would be an example of pure sound in electronic music. No editing... the sounds are made and recorded into one source, as opposed to a multitrack, and no effects are added. |
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yes, that is a very good example..for someone not familliar with printers :) |
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"were you stoned at the time, tolstoyed?" not at all, i don't think any of us was.. |
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If thats a cut at my understanding of printers, I do know the sound is mechanical and not produced electronically, therefore "pure". At least, as far as I can see it. Water dropping is pure, and the ocean waves are pure, and a tree falling in the woods is pure if it is actually heard, and so on. Those are all mechanical processes. Birds chirping are not pure, because those sounds were made with a design and communication in mind. |
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oh no..it was meant strickly from the point of view that it would be fascinating for someone who hasn't heard the sound of a printer before. the rest of us would immediately think it was a printer sound so that would perhaps take a bit of our attention off of the sound itself :) |
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So, by pure sound do you mean a sound that has no point of reference to the listener? |
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that's just one of the many aspects, yeah.. |
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jesus you must have really boring job and loads of spare time man |
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well, my job is extremly boring yes, that's why i need some excitement in my 'spare' time :) |
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Once again, I don't buy this definition. For things to be such an extreme, they cannot be so complicated, expecially for the purpose of discussion. Discussions like this are meant to be loaded. |
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"it was focused on electronic music as it's the genere without a history in a way and you can't put most of it in some social context as opposed to most other genres." i'd like to hear more about why this conclusion was reached cause i don't buy it (and i think it would be interesting to discuss). |
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Yeah, actually, it pre-dates punk and hiphop and practically all other popular microgenres out nowadays. It kind of sounds like something that really closed minded people would say when they are trying to analyze something that they don't have an appreciation for... |
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well we were discussing different point of views on this..but in the end that was sort of what we left it at..it just can't be defined. deadeight, that was just a remark by the guy who led the discussion, we didn't really talk about that. sure it has its history although compared to other genres it's relatively new. there were guys; nordheim, stockhousen,..experimenting, but the genre is pretty new - i'd say it started somewhere in 84, 85..hip hop started before that, and so did punk.. |
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hmm... i dunno, i think there's a fair amount of electronic music that existed before that... but in any event i was kind of interpreting the remark differently... it seemed like this fellow was trying to say that electronic music isn't connected to social history the way other genres are... |
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