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I always thought of "idm" as very introverted. It often just doesn't work socially. The good stuff is well crafted and complex to analyze. This contrasts with rest and vast majority of heavily "memetic" music.. imitated replicated crap, maybe with a slight mutation here and there. This latter type of music is the kind that succeeds in social settings understandable given the memetic nature of our brains. bla |
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i don't really know how to answer that, but i see what you mean..i think he was implying that electronic music is focused more on sound and less on other aspects of music, and i have to say i agree with that, although there are exceptions ofcourse..hmm i'd be interested to hear your opinion though :) |
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Well consider yourself BRIEFED motherfucker. >tolstoyed I don't get this. Fist, "pure sound". How can you discuss what you can't define. Maybe you should discuss a definition first before saying "this thing I don't know what it is is impossible". And you can't just pick an arbitrary date "Oh I think electronica started around 84 or 85". I mean, The Man Machine - 1978 HELLOOOO. 20 Jazz Funk Greats - 1979 Musique Concrete? |
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well, they used electronic elements much earlier yeah, but the first releases i consider electronic were released in 83. i don't know the two albums you mention so i can't comment on that..i've never heard of them but i might check them out. "How can you discuss what you can't define. Maybe you should discuss a definition first before saying "this thing I don't know what it is is impossible"." because the guy who prepared the lecture had his definition sort of but i think he changed his mind later when the discussion started. |
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i don't know the two albums you mention so i can't comment on that..i've never heard of them but i might check them out. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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oh heh..kraftwerk and throbbing gristle :) actually i know them both, but kraftwerk is synth pop and throbbing gristle is industrial..not really the perfect example of electronic music, although i can see why people would disagree on that, yeah. there were albums more electronic than that made even 20 years befoer that.. |
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So are you just talking about Dance music then? |
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These discussions you seem to be having seem to rely a lot on using grey areas as extremes. If you are talking about electronica (a label I refuse to accept, because its emphasizing the importance of dance floor style music over song and harmonic style music), then maybe 1983 is a good date (if you choose to forget about lots of funk music and disco music that was being produced in the mid to late seventies that is entirely electronics based). If you are talking about electronic music, then its history is extremely rich and influential. |
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well that one is real :) |
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I think everybody knows a sign when they see it. |
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:D |
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you need to give a definition of pure do you mean natural? |
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i ment pure = natural? |
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what do you mean? :) |
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"electronica (a label I refuse to accept, because its emphasizing the importance of dance floor style music over song and harmonic style music)" not quite so. all the "defining genres" talk must end nowhere. cause when we start comparing particular examples of certain labels - we get to some confusion e.g. BOC "telephasic workshop" - is this IDM ? then why is it "intelligent" ? or "dance" ? if this is a sub-genre of "dance music" [which is NOT intelligent since IDM is ] - then would all people agree that track is "danceable" ? and so on and so on.... Therefore i think that music journalists have a tough job, putting artists into drawers and creating labels for them. Good luck Tolst |
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however, it'd be great to discuss all of it over a glass of beer/cup of tea at xlt'06 :) |
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you want to meet up to discuss music!? pull yourself together man!! |
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hahaha...you just don't know what to reply, do you ! |
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was there a question? :) |
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i was just hoping someone would argue :( and the question might be : How far can you go discussing sounds or music - not cutting ocean waves ? [as Hendrix nicely put it once] |
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well, it seems you have thought about finding this thread too, but a bit faster :) |
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well, i just checked all threads i missed in the past few days..there were only a few ones that needed my replies :) as for discussing music and sounds..i think i could only discuss that untill the rest of my life..it could perhaps get boring after a while, so i'd just complety shut up for a year or two and afterwards discuss music again. |
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i know, me too. and as most of people here. xltronic : where your dreams about discussing music 24h come true. by my second post there i meant it's more fun to discuss things in real life situation. imagine this thread at xlt'06 ! :) chairs in a circle ? and e.g. qrter coming to the circle, listening for a while and then saying "I still have no idea what you mean with a 'pure sound', Goran. " :D |
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p.s. and sorry for derailing the topic for a moment |
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qrter will be getting drunk at the bar im sure..i bet he'd be all up for discussion when he's pissed enough. oh, and no one wants to discuss it anymore so it's ok :) |
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As much as I agree with you there on the label thing, I see electronica as about a good a way to describe the kind of music I listen to as maybe moby would be an example of the kind of music I listen to. Moby is not what I listen to and neither is electronica. |
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I mean pure = natural; what do you mean? |
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no, i don't mean pure=natural...i was trying to explain what i mean throughout all this thread..i guess i failed :) |
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50 Cent Fuckin` pure sound |
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at least i've failed to understand what you mean with pureness off sound |
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i would say that acoustic instruments make the purest sounds if we talk music wise.not computers |
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it isn't really possible to define a "pure sound" but - speaking of electronically made then my vote goes for a simple sine wave sound - the most easy you can make |
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I thought about another argument to the whole pure sound issue. As far as music is concerned, it is impossible to use 'pure' sounds, in any form of music. As far as I can see it, you mean pure as though it is in an uncontrolled fashion. Music is the controlled use of sound. Even if a bunch of people go out and record their band in a forest, if a sound happens in the background (a bird, or some wind, or whatever), then they will choose to leave that in or not. Even though they are not controlling the sound itself, it is still under control in a fashion as you can choose to re-record the section it is in, or keep it there. |
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as stated above the sine wave is the purest sound, and all sounds are made up of sine waves. but i don't think this is what you're talking about... :-/ |
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actually, after thinking about it.... for a while i think i know what you mean. pure sound, in this case, is sound for the sake of sound, with no meaning or form of expression behind the sound. musicians generally aim to express something, no matter how trivial, but if a computer was to create a piece of 'music' without any human interference then the sound heard would be void of any social context - it would simply be a sound that you heard, it would mean nothing to you. so in electronic music the sound is created because it is pleasing to the ear, not because it has any particular meaning. am i even close? |
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yes, you're very close..but so is taxidermist in his last post. although, the sound/piece of music could be unaffected if someone used algoritms to do it..hmm |
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I have linked this page before, it's about the computer generated compositions of Nick Didkovsky's band: Doctor Nerve I think this has some relevence but these compositions are done with set limitations due to the fact that they're played mainly by acoustic instruments |
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Disagree. To implement algorhythms into music is a form of control unto itself. Even the use of algorhythms is a structure, even if the outcome is unexpected.As well, here we get into the part the subconsious plays in the compositional process of this nature... if someone is using algorhythms in their compositions, the their is a good chance they have had experience doing this in the past, and their subconsious can play a large part in determining possibilities to that effect. If you read some interviews with people who have much experience making generative, random or fractal compositions, generally one of the major things they all seem to have in common is "you would be suprised at how musical it turns out', or 'you would be suprised at how much it fit what I was trying to do in the first place". |
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""you would be suprised at how musical it turns out', or 'you would be suprised at how much it fit what I was trying to do in the first place". " well, personally i wouldn't take that too seriously, although i get what you're saying..i've had way too little sleep last night to give it some serious thinking atm :) |
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we seem to be getting closer and closer to aleatoric music, developed by developed by composers such as John Cage. "Cage also... adopted procedures whereby the composer does not directly condition the sounds of the resultant composition, using such methods as the roll of dice or a consultation of the I Ching." [http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0809795.html] |
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finally i know what it is!! |
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*awaits the answer* |
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nnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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your 56k works well! :) |
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it's tough to put in words :) |
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I am very glad you know what IT is. |
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that's ok. |
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sound of an empty room is pure. sound of a summer afternoon is pure. "as the sun kissed the horizon" by Biosphere is pure in it's simplicity :) |
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maybe clunking on a piano |
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