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compared to rock music that is..i was at some meeting with music fans today and out of 8 of us i was the only one to name electronic artist to be one of my fav 3 music artists. everyone else was naming rock, indie, metal, post rock and punk bands..the thing they miss the most in electronic music is the lack of lyrics from what i could understand..they don't mind listening to something instrumental but only as a background music or something. personally i don't mind the lyrics if the music is good (unless it's real shit music).. damn, some of them could write books about history of rock music but then they thought aphex twin were two guys..it appears rock fans are more narrow minded :) |
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"(unless it's real shit music)" - unless it's real shitty lyrics!! * |
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you speak the truth! That's why I feel so special! |
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we are the lucky few tolsty |
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yes, im real lucky..jav |
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can you repeat the question? |
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what does jav mean? i'm thick |
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WHY IS ELECTRONIC MUSIC NOT APPRECIATED? |
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it means what you read..except in english it reads like yav. |
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the answer: it is. by us |
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..because you hang out with people who don't appreciate it? I know a few people who do appreciate it, so I wouldn't say it's not appreciated. |
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yes, but why it isn't appreciated among music lovers..because those guys were all into music more than i am, im sure of that! |
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its true in most cases, you have your open minded rockers witch are dead sound and repect everyones opinion on music, then you have more arrogent/ignorant ones that come out with wild claims like "its shit cause its made on a laptop" etc. i hang around with 4 people regularly 3 are metalers one out of them is very open minded he likes all sorts of stuff and me and him tell each other about new artists and such hes the one i get along with best out of the group.the others are very uptight about there music and not open to very much variation at all, if its "strange" or "odd" the'll treat it as a joke or not take it in at all..im not sure what it is that made them think like this but im glad im not one of them |
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not just rockers btw |
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I think it's mainly because electronic music is relativley new. Rock music has a history. People of rock and other genres may have seen the emergence of electronic music and dismissed it, thus creating a stigma throughout the masses, which continues to this day. |
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yeah that seems to be it :) |
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well, they gave as main reason the lack of lyrics..i asked them whether instrumental music doesn't evoke any emotions in them, and apperantly it doesn't..it just sounds empty and meaningless to them.. i know some people into electronic music btw, but im talking about people who take music to be the most important thing in their lifes. |
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electronic music has never been nearly as mainstream as (western) commercial pop or rock music, which almost always use traditional instruments. the masses are used to hearing vocal pop - a strong melody with sung lyrics is what most people like to hear. most rock music is essentially pop or blues music anyway, so it's obvious why most people like that. stuff like aphex twin is melodic, but way too weird to be an instant mainstream hit like your average pop/rock song. |
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From where I'm looking at, the main cause would be the overexposure of mainstream (read: bad quality) electronic pop, which has re-enforced the negative stereotypes about electronic music present in the early 90s. Simply hearing the stuff on the top 10 for many years has made a difference. Many people have gotten really into awful euro trance in the late 90s, found that this kind of music is not something they would ever like in the long term, and ditched all electronic music as being part of the same cultural wave. I have to say though, If I take 8 music fan friends, maybe 7 of them would name some of the artists loved here in their top 3. |
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maybe they are just lesser beings? |
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i would never want to see it ("idm") be commercialized ever because then it will push people to be very apprehensive if they like it or not for whatever reason |
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well, this one guy said there's no way a piece of music could intrigue him nearly as much as a line of good lyrics..damn, he started quoting parts of lyrics from bunch of bands, even bands i said i like and he didn't :) for me it's like 90% about music and 10 about the lyrics.. |
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can you reorganise that into a question please? :) |
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he'll just yell at you in evergrowing capital letters. |
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Sometimes a good rhyme (as in hiphop) will override the music, but in those cases the music, or 'beats' rarely is an important part of the idea. For myself, it's always about the music, although I canl listen to a bunch of [good] mc's rapping over the same beat for hours with no complaints |
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Woah this thread is growing fast |
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EXACTLY! The music/composition has so much more feeling to it! lyrics are just something over the top of the rest! It's so frustrating it hurts! You are not alone in your angst! |
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ok, not to make them look bad - none of them named shit bands for their favs - they all named awesome rock bands and not some pop crap so obviously they know good music. anyway, i'll definitely try to intrigue them for trying out some good electronica stuff! i'll report here in about a year how that went :) |
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you like tom waits? |
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If you get them in to stuff like Tortoise the road is not so difficult from there (my experience) |
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it can be the best line i ever read but if the music sucked i doubt i'd listen to it :) |
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i apreciate electronics |
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i would never want to see it ("idm") be commercialized too late, buddy. :( have you heard a pop song in the last five years? or seen graphical advertisements? or seen a few seconds of mtv? idm has long since been swallowed by that monster. |
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ELECTRONIC MUSIC IS NOT THE EPITOME OF MUSICAL TASTE |
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im not a big fan of tortoise to tell you the truth :) |
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Not read, heard, and that makes a huge difference in my book. When it comes to mc'ing, delivery really counts big time. If the music really sucks though, there's not much that can be done |
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correcting myself: listened to, not heard |
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oh, and they agreed on instrumental band called dirty 3 to be good..i don't know them though :) |
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I'll need to check them out, sometimes recommendations from these rock types can be rather refreshing ;) |
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*LALALALLALA* Im not listening! |
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they are simply predjudiced and closed-minded. i used to listen to rock (and older industrial) exclusively because i didn't realize that there was something to electronic music. when i found out about AE and aphex, the rest came very naturally to me. i don't know why they would have difficulty unless they don't want to give it a shot. |
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being rock fans, they should appreciate radiohead, and kid a was my 'stepping stone' into electronic, so.... |
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i'll make them compilations of stuff that should get them right into it! |
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Not always. I have many friends who in my book rate quite high in the music knowledge book that simply are not into much electronic music. This is after having heard stuff like "I care because you do". I think some people simply prefer analogue acoustic instruments to electronic sound, and there's nothing wrong with that. Variation is always needed and it's a requirement for healthy music culture. |
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i can't believe you care. in fact, i still don't believe you do. you forget the appeal of idm is that it is elisitist, and therefore safe in your own haven of bullshit. in summary, nobody cares. jesus fucking christ really come on |
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no variation is an awesome thing, but these people should be open for all kinds of music..i don't mind if rock fans only appreciate rock music, there are plenty of people into electronica who don't listen to anything else. but these guys are music lovers. |
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yeah, of course you can simply not enjoy it. we are talking about people who don't know the aphex twins. |
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it's not that i care, i just find it real odd..i'd expect half of them to be into electronica for some reason..i guess i was wrong. |
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hahah. i'm so glad i'm missing a huge chunk of history having not grown up with this music. |
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I know, been there so many times. Can't think of an English language expression to fit this, but I guess that's the way it often goes. Pearls for the pigs and all that ;) Now how's that for a lame reply |
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