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xceque
on 2005-06-01 07:23 [#01618782]
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you forgot ceri that you have been given powers to guard the board, not to threat others for what in your opinion is wrong.
no, that's exactly the "powers" we have. we have rules to stick to enable our opinions to be guided, but its our opinions that we have to use to make the descision.
Personally I disagreed with most of the way that Jedi Chris moderated, but that's not been my point.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-06-01 07:24 [#01618784]
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altus, hmm not too good with single track names, whats that one from?
opto, go away.. for a long time.
cuntychuck, its not just about a heated debate, but rather the unpleasant appearence of it clouding up threads which in turn bother other members who get turned off by xlt and leave!
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xceque
on 2005-06-01 07:25 [#01618785]
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Jesus christ if you're not hyakusen you must be his twin. Every time something is said you take it slightly out of context and misinterpret it as being negative and targeted at your personal liberty.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-06-01 07:25 [#01618786]
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This thread is going nowhere.
It will only result in people pushing Ceri's buttons until he temp bans someone (maybe). Opto and cunty both have plenty to contribute to the mb when there isn't a fight going on.
I don't think anything is going to be resolved in this thread. Jedi Chris banned himself. He's not here to speak for himself so the dialogue about this issue is going to be skewed.
Can we please just try to move on guys?
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-01 07:26 [#01618788]
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aww happy cartoon pig turns into angry finger :(
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Opto
on 2005-06-01 07:27 [#01618789]
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no no, you just dont understand me, thats all.
at start i was suposed to be jAroen, phob banned me, then took ban away, didnt said "sorry". not im hyakusen, which was here yesterday as i remember. who am i gonna be next time ?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-06-01 07:27 [#01618790]
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You don't make sense, my 'threats' as such were warnings, the very warnings which people have complained of a lack of where banning has been concerned, of late.
"will you take the responsibility of judgement someone without proper trial ?"
Yes, happily. The evidence is there; your posting history. This isn't a death sentence, it's stopping you being a pain in the ass on an internet messageboard: We don't need 12 men good and true to decide to ban you. What do you think we do, hold some xltronic high court where all the moderators and webmasters fly out to one location, then vote on issuing a temp ban for a particular user?
I find it ironic that those who behave in an immature and anti-social manner, who don't seem to give a damn about the board are those who take the matter of being temp banned the most seriously. People who I'd count as 'good' users I've had cause to temp ban in the past have later turned out to be the most civil about it and no longer bear a grudge relating to the matter. It's the petty, spiteful people, that the board really doesn't need who act as though being temp banned is tantamount to physical assault.
Thanks for letting me know you were temp banned recently though. That has helped me make the decision to up it to a permanent ban, should I choose to issue it. Cheers.
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Opto
on 2005-06-01 07:29 [#01618791]
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no prob.
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xceque
on 2005-06-01 07:29 [#01618792]
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Good idea
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2005-06-01 07:29 [#01618793]
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i get that, and im not trying to start i fight or whatever you called. i dont get why its a fight, exchanging stands isnt a fight? ive been exchanging my point of views and got a warning for that which to me seems unfair. but alright, i'll let this go, as it really doesnt matter anyway.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-06-01 07:31 [#01618794]
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Your comment implied that you believe marshmello to be a duplicate account of Jedi Chris and as such, called me a liar.
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xf
from Australia on 2005-06-01 07:31 [#01618795]
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blah blah blah. just shut up.
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-06-01 07:32 [#01618796]
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FUCK YOU, MAN!
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xceque
on 2005-06-01 07:32 [#01618797]
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*giggles*
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-06-01 07:33 [#01618798]
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Sorry, I posted that before I saw your previous post. I'm happy to drop the matter too.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-06-01 07:33 [#01618799]
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There's a lot of guys getting warnings here today because somebody has spat the dummy out of the pram. Somewhat reminiscent of jedi_chris methinks. I think it's time for phobiazero to re-evaluate the character of the people he assigns to be moderators. It shouldn't be the guys that lick his ass the most, it should be guys who are fair and honest.
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Marshmelo
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-01 07:34 [#01618800]
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I quite agree! :)
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-01 07:35 [#01618802]
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i think phoby should make ME a moderator, because i hate the other mods the MOST
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-01 07:35 [#01618803]
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oh ok then
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Marshmelo
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-01 07:35 [#01618804]
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Take your dick out of your arse and realise that if you keep posting deliberately argumentative threads the moderators are not going to just sit back and laugh.
This whole situation was born of people like you saying dumbass things, here we are trying to move on, and you go and spout rubbish like that. What a surprise.
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xceque
on 2005-06-01 07:38 [#01618806]
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uh-oh. bill_ won't take that very kindly...
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Cheffe1979
from fuck (Austria) on 2005-06-01 07:43 [#01618809]
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your avatar upsets me
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-01 07:48 [#01618811]
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what about this one?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-06-01 07:51 [#01618813]
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"Take your logic out of your crevice and realise that if you keep
posting deliberately argumentative threads the moderators are not going to just sit back and laugh.
This whole situation was born of people like you saying illogical things, here we are trying to move on, and you go
and spout illogical logic like that. Nothing is a surprise."
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2005-06-01 07:53 [#01618814]
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youve seen my yellow one
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-06-01 07:54 [#01618815]
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i fucking HATE jedi chris... i hope he dies in his sleep whilst being mutilated by the sith lord
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Marshmelo
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-01 07:57 [#01618819]
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That's not very nice. Really. Is it?
I fucking hate a lot of people, but I don't wish them dead at the hands of a decrepid old man in a cloak!
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2005-06-01 07:58 [#01618820]
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way to go showing how 'intelligent' you are..
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-06-01 07:58 [#01618821]
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you are just jealous i am not talking about your death... to be honest i think it would be a quite honorable to be killed by a sith
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Marshmelo
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-01 08:00 [#01618822]
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It's more honorable to kill a Sith :-D
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-06-01 08:04 [#01618827]
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wtf does my intelligence have to do with anything? i suppose i'd understand your humor or your nonsense if i was intelligent... but i am not
jedi chris and myself do not get along, so it's ok with me that he is banned. since the beginning of my existance on this messageboard, that guy has given me nothing but arguments and signs to show me that he dislikes my lame ass... enough of this reflection
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Marshmelo
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-01 08:06 [#01618835]
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Look, he's gone, he's not coming back so lets just get over it. You didn't like him, he didn't like you, now he's gone, move on.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-01 08:15 [#01618852]
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Sorry to drag this thread up, but...
Altus is the last track off the Magnificent Void, and it's fucking increadable.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-06-01 08:16 [#01618855]
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ahhh, YES. GOD YES!!
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-01 08:19 [#01618857]
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Sorry for rattling on, it's just amazing to see someone else with a passion for that music. And it's more then the quality of the music anyway, because Robert Rich and Stebe Roach and the whole lot of them share very similar philosophies and the music reflects that, so there is a lot to discuss really.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-06-01 08:38 [#01618879]
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No, I'm glad Jedi Chris is gone. He was a socially retarded moron with nothing worth saying. Good riddance.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-06-01 08:45 [#01618886]
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ssshhhhh! you're not allowed to say anything bad about the hierarchy. sssssshhhhh! it's bad.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-01 08:47 [#01618888]
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has this thread not been closed yet?
it's time to move on and stop the commentary on xlt "politics". there are none. let's just discuss music and loose our driving licences at the same time
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-06-01 08:48 [#01618891]
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what a stunningly elegant avator...I could watch it all day long....w0wzers!
umm yeah goodbye Jedi Chris but why is there such a big deal if he chose to ban himself?
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2005-06-01 09:00 [#01618914]
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My threat to Bill Hicks was as a result of him effectively
calling me a liar. ... For someone to accuse me of doing so, especially on a matter that is so factually black and white, is certainly worthy of a warning of a temp. ban.
i'm sorry, but what has this got to do with moderating the board?
to me this seems like a personal issue/fight between you and him, in which you take advantage of your position as mod by threatening to temp. ban him 'cause he calls you a liar
i'm not planning on getting all mods on my back, but imo this is just another example of how some mods solve their personal matters with their 'powers' and just threaten and ban the users they don't like
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2005-06-01 09:03 [#01618922]
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a followup to ceri jc that was
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-06-01 09:04 [#01618924]
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don't you people come with an off button?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-06-01 09:12 [#01618938]
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"i'm sorry, but what has this got to do with moderating the
board?"
Bill Hicks initially made a request to ban a user on account of it being a multiple account. I, as a moderator, declined, giving my reasons. He persisted in his demands for this user to be banned. Therein lies the link to the board/moderation, as opposed to a 'personal fight'. On top of that, his calling me a liar is suggesting I cannot be trusted (and therefore ought not to be a moderator), again, a 'moderation issue'.
Either: a) You're can't make the distinction. b) You didn't see all the original converstation and are now jumping in, towards the end.
c) Both of the above.
Let me give you some examples of non-moderation arguments: I say I like artist x, you slate them, we disagree about it.
You say you like artist x, I slate them, we disagree about it.
As above, but replace artist with: film title, videogame title, particular release, particular track, particular mix of a track, etc. you get the above.
Anything involving: users, banning people, closing topics, the board itself, mods, the FAQ, etc. is a moderation issue. Do you see the distinction?
If I were to ban someone because they disagreed with me that Rob D - Clubbed To Death is the best piece of music ever written, I could see your point. That's the sort of behaviour you are alluding to (and I agree it would be completely unreasonable and you'd be justified in complaining about it) yet the case with Bill Hicks is nothing of the sort.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-06-01 09:12 [#01618940]
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LOL
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2005-06-01 09:58 [#01619021]
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He persisted in his demands for this user to be banned.
Ehm can you point out where he did that after you told him you know both users in real life? As far as i can see he only said things like: I QUESTION YOUR INTEGRITY ... I think jedi_chris = marshmelo... etc.
he didn't persist his demand for the user to be banned, he only sais he questions your integrity, who sais those remarks have anything to do with you being a moderator? you are the only one making that link; i cannot be trusted (andtherefore ought not to be a moderator)
i just see it as a personal 'attack' of him saying you cant be trusted. ban and threaten for that if you like, but it looks to me that you cant make the distinction (just like other mods)
maybe this shows that i question the qualities of some mods, that probably means i'll get banned
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Morton
from out (Netherlands, The) on 2005-06-01 10:29 [#01619042]
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liars can be good mods yo
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-06-01 16:14 [#01619347]
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I dont understand why thinking Marshmelo is Jedi should be deemed in a negitive context by Ceri. I think its odd that as soon as this fiasco occured that he started to post defending Jedi.
No offense to any party here but so many people have had multiples its really not that hard to understand that people here think that every new account is a multiple.
Think of the post skyfarmer era. Everyone jumped on every new account thinking it was him. Although a percentage of them probably were there is another percentage that was thinking " i just made a hello post and i got teh b7. wtf?"
Just because you say you know something doesnt mean we have to believe it. We are individuals capable of making up our own minds for that matter. Again no offense Ceri!
My friend was banned last year because during a IP check his was similar to mine and we both had the same service. I almost couldnt believe it. Obviously you are going to find people that live close to each other that have the same provider. So i know how it is from that aspect.
Ceri, I am not calling you a lair or anything. I respect how you have handled yourself in this thread. I dont agree with some of your views but that is what makes the world a great place... differing opinions!
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-06-01 16:20 [#01619358]
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BORING
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-06-01 16:31 [#01619381]
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Quiet you.
:p
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-06-01 16:32 [#01619383]
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well, all this nonsense seems to be in the past now, my only worry is that it doesnt all kick off again, when everyone is suddenly unbanned.
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