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in the evolution theory they appear to increase our survival on earth..but how is it possible that ears create beautyfull soundscapes in our crazy brains..i dont get..cause they seem so useless for surviving..please help me out here.. |
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how are you supposed to tell that a saber toothed tiger is running up behind you in teh woods if you ain't got ears? |
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deep, man |
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Let us not forget balance, and flying. |
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yes i get that but the point is: why they create beautyfull soundscapes? thats not needed for survival.. |
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pressure regulation |
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ears dont create beautyfull soundscapes. |
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so, you're not really talking about ears, but asking what the evolutionary purpose of an imagination is? |
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ok the brain does..i know..but why? |
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maybe thats more my question..i started with the ears first..since this is a music messageboard with people that love sounds |
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in the early stages of the foetus (sp?), they are gills, apparently... just something I heard, though. |
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Or ability to imagine complex concepts puts us ahead of most other animals. Allows us to visualize things that don't exist yet, and to put advanced concepts together in a way that other animals cannot. I guess an artistic aesthetic is either a requrement for that, or a neat by-product of it. ...that's my guess anyway. |
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Our ability to imagine... |
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perhaps without music, humans would commit suicide. |
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The animal that could outsmart the other animals, or invent the most effective weaponry was able to live and reproduce, the less creative animal was killed or starved before they could pass on their genes. Thus, the genes for smartypantses with good imaginations were passed on. |
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lol a neat by-product of it. but its to vague for me.. |
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you think other animals cant imagine? and we, human (animals), imagine more? it can be the otherway around..animals imagine more and we are more realistic, so we see them imagining..and we make advantage of it in our own profit: to survive...but my question is: why are there sounds that make you feel good..thats not nescassery for survival..or is it? |
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it could be that animals are capable of a more vivid imagination than we are... but, i doubt it. no way to know really. and yes, i think that the ability to identify patterns in sound, and create "soundscapes" from those patterns has evolutionary advantages. such as, allowing us to make sense out of our environment, and use it to our advantage. the fact that we find it pleasurable serves the purpose of motivating us to search for those patterns. |
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i think you're right..but my question goes beyond: why does evolution go this way? |
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it's magic. |
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i dont believe in magic. |
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The universe is founded on creativity, or no? |
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that could be it..is it? |
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i'm not sure what you mean? evolution goes the way that it must. in nature the ones that pass on their genes are the ones that live long enough to reproduce. some traits make you better equipt to live that long, so those are the traits that get passed on. if a trait is shitty enough, that animal dies before it can pass the trait on, so that trait is taken out of the mix. |
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wow, and the "How many times can you use the same word in a post" award goes to......... ME! P.S. trait |
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i'm not sure that evolutionary processes can provide an adequate explanation of the experience of "beautiful" music... but if we try to move beyond evolutionary processes... we're fishing in a puddle with the ocean to our backs... |
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that may seem to be correct, but if you think about it.. why do kids have a more vivid imagination? They haven't experienced things that restrain their imagination. They do not know of as many impossible things as grown up people do. Wouldn't it be logical to assume then that the "younger" and less advanced (aware of impossibilities) a society is, the more imaginative would they be? Also, inventing weapons and stuff isn't imagination.. it's ingenuity.. or at least that's closer to the definitions of the words. Imagination is more about synthesis.. horse + horn = unicorn. |
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i'm not so sure that kids have more vivid imagination...it's just that 98% of their imagination is not taken up imagining sexual situations and adult content... |
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well.. you just have to talk to a kid to figure that out... they've got much more vivid imaginations than any more grown up person I know.. I think it is because even though we know of more things to synthesize, we also know of the limitations. We know we can't just get up and teleport to china.. a kid (that hasn't been told he can't) doesn't, and could thus imagine himself doing that. |
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i think it is an evolutionary advantage to be able to find patterns in nature to make sense out of those patterns, and adapt to them. patterns in visual stimuli, patterns in other people's behavior, and patterns in sound. this probably helps us survive, so our brains reward patterns with "pleasure". of course, pleasure is very subjective, and opens up a different can of worms. |
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maybe i'm not like most people you know... but i'd still like to reward your brains with pleasure... g'night! |
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just look how important our ears are in communication. |
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or maybe you have a severed link between imagination and believing... I think that to be able to say you're imaginin something is the same as saying you would believe it to be possible. Therefore I cannot say I can imagine a human being being chopped up, eaten, shat out again and then pieced together to be exactly the same only riding on an invisible hippopotamus with wings the size of the sun. |
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I can picture it, though... it looks crazy! |
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oh ok |
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so the human comes out as pieces of human rather than pieces of shit? |
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You don't seem to know enough about it all to begin with -crazone. |
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I'd say the pleasure we derive from music is more of a side effect of evolution rather than an evolutionary advantage. If you look at the structure of the ear, it is cupped forward to coincide with our field of vision. Like our eyes, we have 2 ears providing a depth of field 'stereo' effect to what we hear as with vision. These sensory fields are focused forward because we are predators. A side effect of our evolutionary success as predators is a de-emphasis of the ear as a sensory organ. Primates have lost the ability to articulate the ear that is important to prey animals like the horse, as well as the prominant external ear structure of such animals so it could be argued that such animals are much better equipped to experience "beautiful music" and therefore there is absolutely no corollary between evolution as a process and the enjoyment of music. But really you'd have to ask sombody that wasn't full of shit... |
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I think the soundscapes we "see" are indeed structures, or patterns in our crazy brains wich helps us digest the influences of our surroundings. We can "see" those structures or patterns (what means we can actually look into our brains, or see the structure of our brains..)..but what I dont get is why we "see" those structures..they seem so useless. anus_presley: I know shit about it, but I've started this topic to philosophize. |
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