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offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:24 [#01552927]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



yep well, err...

most downloadable bootdisks are installers, not zipped disk
contents. im guessing here, but most of these installers
must be run from windows, or things fuck up. so, i think
you're not able to boot your bootdisks because you are
making them in linux

choose your own adventure now:

a) go to a pc store or a friend, ask if they can make a boot
disc with cd support (or make one using one of those
downloaded things)
b) panic
c) google how to make a bootable dos disk under linux


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 12:24 [#01552928]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01552899



oh crap.. i should've paid attention.. yeah, you're
downloading the windows version..


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:25 [#01552929]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



anyone: what filesystem does linux use on floppy discs?


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:26 [#01552930]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



oh, actually a friend did use windows to make this boot
disk. but i only have linux to rely on at the moment since
he's not around.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 12:27 [#01552931]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #01552928



go into the command line, cd to your dban directory, and run
this command:

dd if=dban-*.img of=/dev/floppy bs=1024


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:29 [#01552935]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



dd: opening `dban-*.img': No such file or directory


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:32 [#01552940]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



hmmm my pc is self built and i dont care about disc drives.
maybe someone could make a ME bootdisc, zip the contents
(make sure to include hidden files as well) and put it on
the internet. then you'd copy those to a disc (does a
bootable dos disc require FAT to be.. bootable, anyone?) and
boot from that

but, because you havent been able to boot devices other then
your harddisc at all, there might be something else that's
fucking up.

other suggestion: make a small FAT partition, put the files
on that required to boot dos, delete your linux partition or
configure GRUB to boot the FAT thing. not recommended,
because you only have one pc to work from, & if you cant get
the cd rom drive to work you're nailed.

also: you have to cd to dban first!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:33 [#01552941]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



i tried filling in the * with the rest of the filename and
got: dd: opening `/dev/floppy': Permission denied

i don't know if that means anything though.


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:34 [#01552943]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



guess: no floppy inserted / no root privileges


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:35 [#01552945]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to freungesprok: #01552940



also: you have to cd to dban first!

i did...


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:36 [#01552947]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



hahahahaha

oh man, maybe your pc is haunted. call the ghostbusters.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:36 [#01552950]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to freungesprok: #01552943



floppy is in - it wasn't read when i pressed enter, though.

is there a way to enable root privileges since obviously i
should have them?


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 12:38 [#01552952]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



dunno about the distribution you're using, and im a newbie
to linux so i could be wrong. not a clue in the world

someone put a bootdisc in the mail for him!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:40 [#01552956]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to freungesprok: #01552952



heh, thanks a lot for trying. at this point i am screwed
with this stuff... i have no way of making any sound
recordings on here, nothing works properly (even the browser
is fucked now)... it's such a useless mess.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-04 12:41 [#01552959]
Points: 27325 Status: Lurker



Damn Chris i only just read this thread. That sucks man. I
hope things get worked out for you. I would be furious!

My XP has never let me down or gave me problems. Try it if
you havent if you can ever get anything installed


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 12:46 [#01552972]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01552941



cripes... try:

dd if=dban-*.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024

..or..

dd if=dban-*.img of=/dev/floppy/0 bs=1024


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:48 [#01552977]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to virginpusher: #01552959



thanks. i've been really frustrated for sure. it really
seems like everything that could go wrong has...

anyway, i'm really sorry for dragging this thread on and on.
i don't mean to be such a complainer about it - it's just
awful losing the ability to efficiently make music
recordings and do everything you have to do (especially
since i owe people projects that may not be completed at
this point).

i appreciate everyone's help a lot. hopefully i can do
something for you guys someday. ecnadniarb, epohs +
"sproky" - i'm basically broke or i'd paypal you some $ for
sure.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:51 [#01552980]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to epohs: #01552972



default@libranet:~$ cd dban
default@libranet:~/dban$ dd if=dban-*.img of/dev/fd0
bs=1024
dd: unrecognized option `of/dev/fd0'
Try `dd --help' for more information.
default@libranet:~/dban$ dd if=dban-*.img of=/dev/floppy/0
bs=1024
dd: opening `dban-*.img': No such file or directory
default@libranet:~/dban$

default@libranet:~/dban$ dd --help
Usage: dd [OPTION]...
Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the
options.

bs=BYTES force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES
cbs=BYTES convert BYTES bytes at a time
conv=KEYWORDS convert the file as per the comma
separated keyword list
count=BLOCKS copy only BLOCKS input blocks
ibs=BYTES read BYTES bytes at a time
if=FILE read from FILE instead of stdin
obs=BYTES write BYTES bytes at a time
of=FILE write to FILE instead of stdout
seek=BLOCKS skip BLOCKS obs-sized blocks at start of
output
skip=BLOCKS skip BLOCKS ibs-sized blocks at start of
input
--help display this help and exit
--version output version information and exit

BLOCKS and BYTES may be followed by the following
multiplicative suffixes:
xM M, c 1, w 2, b 512, kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1,000,000, M
1,048,576,
GB 1,000,000,000, G 1,073,741,824, and so on for T, P, E, Z,
Y.
Each KEYWORD may be:

ascii from EBCDIC to ASCII
ebcdic from ASCII to EBCDIC
ibm from ASCII to alternated EBCDIC
block pad newline-terminated records with spaces to
cbs-size
unblock replace trailing spaces in cbs-size records with
newline
lcase change upper case to lower case
notrunc do not truncate the output file
ucase change lower case to upper case
swab swap every pair of input bytes
noerror continue after read errors
sync pad every input block with NULs to ibs-size;
when used
with block or unblock, pad with spaces rather
than NULs

Report bugs to .



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 12:55 [#01552989]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



hmm... do you know what linux refers to your floppy drive
as?

it should be in /etc/fstab


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 12:55 [#01552990]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #01552989



for that matter, will linux recognize your floppy drive at
all?


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 12:59 [#01552995]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



yeah, linux definitely recognizes it. i just formatted a
floppy disk with linux an hour ago as a test.

ohhh, duh! floppy (fd0 - not mounted) of all the stupid
fucking things. let me try it again...


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:02 [#01553000]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01552995




dd if=dban-1.0.4_i386.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 13:02 [#01553001]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



wtf? i mounted it and it still doesn't work. i tried all
three commands. i'm going to check on what you asked me
before now.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 13:03 [#01553002]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to epohs: #01553000



yes!!!!!!! :D


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 13:07 [#01553005]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



hmm... it definitely did something, but when i looked in
the disk, there was nothing in it. it was definitely doing
something with the disk...


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:08 [#01553009]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01553005



there's nothing on the floppy?


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 13:10 [#01553011]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to epohs: #01553009



nothing on the floppy.

i did it again and it was exactly the same:

default@libranet:~/dban$ dd if=dban-1.0.4_i386.img
of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024
1440+0 records in
1440+0 records out
1474560 bytes transferred in 48.485200 seconds (30413
bytes/sec)
default@libranet:~/dban$


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:11 [#01553013]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01553011



wierd... try rebooting with the floppy in, and seeing if it
works.

maybe linux just isn't seeing the files for some reason.

i have no idea really. i've never even seen a computer. :)


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 13:13 [#01553014]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to epohs: #01553013



haha.... ok, i'll give it a try.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:16 [#01553015]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



if that doesn't work, reformat the floppy, and see if you're
able to write to it.. just create a text file with some
garbage in it, and see if you can copy it to the disk or
something.

maybe /dev/fd0 is being mounted read-only..


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:22 [#01553023]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01553014



*** And that was the last time r40f was ever seen on teh
int0rwebs
***

:D


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 13:23 [#01553025]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



jesus shope you're basically a linulord!

.. if you want (if this fails and if you are like super
duper desperate) i'll get you a copy of a bootable win98
installation cd, that supports cdrom and whatsnot.
international mail would take 5 days or something, so you
might try to borrow something off someone.

its frustrating that i dont know anything good to say >:(


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:24 [#01553026]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



linux kicks the shit out of me (in the un-fun way) on a
daily basis.

:(


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-04 13:26 [#01553027]
Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to freungesprok: #01553025



If i can scrounge up some cash I could try to get him a
disk. I dont think mail to him would take that long but then
again i got to scounge up cash


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-04 13:28 [#01553029]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



heh i had to give a presentation about something nanotechy
once, and i had a powerpoint thing on my ubuntu running
laptop...

turns out it hates you when you try to display on something
else than the lcd thingey. complete and utter crashness when
i connected it to the beamer :D

.. good thing openoffice has an export to .ppt button.
mounting something fails 90% of the time, but i was able to
access a USB-stick :D

moral of the story: dont use linux for 'important' stuff if
you're clueless like me


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:31 [#01553035]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



yeah. i seem to've learned that linux is really only
awesome if you are a seasoned linux developer.

once you've had 10 years of programming in C you are nearly
ready to ask for support help in a linux forum.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 13:56 [#01553066]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



i'm pretty sure i just totally destroyed his computer.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-04 14:00 [#01553067]
Points: 27325 Status: Lurker



I wish i would have had his number because if his computer
was fucked or having problems i could at least search for
the answer for him while asking questions about what was
wrong.

Wow it really looks like linux is complete shit. I am glad i
have stayed with trusty window over the years


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-04 14:04 [#01553071]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



linux is fun to play with. (if you're into that sort of
thing)

but, it can be a flaming whore-bitch when it wants to be.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-04 14:17 [#01553077]
Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #01553071



I'll take your word for it. I like windows because i can do
things and not have to think. Its like a car that is
automatic. You just dont have to think! its great.

When i feel like thinking i just run programs. I have many
goodies now a days and that makes me smile on the inside!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-04 21:57 [#01553317]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



hey you guys are way generous and awesome, really!

what happened was (short version): epohs's hunch that the
floppy was full of dban and linux just wasn't reading it was
100% correct. dban worked like a charm. so i formatted
it.

then i got (from a friend) the necessary disks for
re-installing windows. everything looked like it was
finally working and then right after windows installer
formatted my hd, it gave me an error message saying i was
missing a file and it aborted setup. i then tried every
possible permutation you can with this obnoxious setup
program and it took hours, and nothing worked. same error
message and aborted setup.

so i finally gave in and installed the same old linux.
that's what i have now. i think that's just the end of the
story - i don't see how anything is going to change with
this computer.

a lot of highs and lows today. thanks everyone very much
for putting up with it and helping me out. seriously, it's
very cool. it doesn't matter that it didn't work - you all
tried and i appreciate it.


 

offline xf from Australia on 2005-04-05 00:27 [#01553341]
Points: 2952 Status: Lurker



download and install ubuntu, then. seriously. it's so
fucking easy it's not funny.


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-05 05:18 [#01553425]
Points: 107 Status: Addict



ive seen that, disc could be dirty or damaged. you sure you
dont need anything? i think you're very close to solving the
problem now.


 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2005-04-05 06:46 [#01553462]
Points: 1045 Status: Lurker



Linux is only free if your time is worthless


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-04-05 07:22 [#01553490]
Points: 17620 Status: Lurker



i would punch linux in it's fat fucking face so hard if it
walked into my office right now.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-05 08:25 [#01553520]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to xf: #01553341



ubuntu looks like the exact same thing i have now except
brown.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2005-04-05 12:16 [#01553646]
Points: 3372 Status: Lurker



well its prob a bit late but microsoft has things on its
website saying how to get rid of linux.
LAZY_TITLE

LAZY_TITLE

Linux has a high learning curve, but if you are using it for
something technical its ace, but for just making music,
playing games, etc windows or mac is a lot easier for people
to pick up and play. driving circuits and things from
parallel ports and doing cheapo software developments is for
linux, web servers and things, not games at the mo. I'm sure
it will get more user friendly, just think what msdos used
to be like....



 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-05 12:20 [#01553654]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to dave_g: #01553646



thanks for the links.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-05 17:24 [#01553879]
Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to r40f: #01553654



Good to see you back Chris! Hopefully this can be tackled!


 

offline freungesprok on 2005-04-06 02:43 [#01554187]
Points: 107 Status: Addict | Followup to dave_g: #01553646



dos was fucking easy man, i got some computer degree
involving that when i was a kid..

(or, maybe, you learn slower when you get older)


 


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