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         |  furoi
             from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2005-03-22 02:48 [#01540365] Points: 1706 Status: Lurker
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 | are sampled or invented? 
 i'm listening to this album...it's really nice!
 new and better life for this breakcored guy
 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-03-22 02:51 [#01540367] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | i guess sampled 
 
 
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         |  KADO
             from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-22 02:52 [#01540368] Points: 1484 Status: Regular | Followup to furoi: #01540365
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 | I thought the strings sounded like they were from a cheap sound module..Dry and Unemotive...It's a good concept but
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         |  Ceri JC
             from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-22 03:46 [#01540381] Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to KADO: #01540368 | Show recordbag
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 | "It's a good concept but Not produced to a good enough standard imo "
 
 My thoughts exactly. I'd prefer versions of the tracks
 without the usual breakbeat-fuckery, too.
 
 
 
 
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         |  DiaZoHeXagoN
             from The city of angels (United States) on 2005-03-22 03:46 [#01540382] Points: 2659 Status: Lurker
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 | im not produced to a good enough standard either   oh well 
 
 
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         |  furoi
             from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2005-03-22 04:20 [#01540402] Points: 1706 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #01540381
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 | yea i finished the listening, i agree with the usual breakbeat fuckery
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2005-03-22 09:44 [#01540681] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | This high faluting breakdown of music on Xltronic really does my fuckin' head in.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 09:51 [#01540693] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #01540681
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 | everyone knows that the production values of a record are far more important than the music contained therein.
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-03-22 09:53 [#01540697] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | hasnt techno music always been more about the character of the sound than the actual composition?
 
 
 
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         |  clint
             from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-22 09:55 [#01540699] Points: 3447 Status: Lurker | Followup to KADO: #01540368
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 | I agree with the opposite of all this... 
 Most of it is sampled, I don't think the strings sound
 cheap. I reckon the production is very good, at times much
 better than the composition, melodies etc. And the
 breakbeatfuckery is the best part of it, and isn't used
 enough!
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2005-03-22 09:55 [#01540700] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to pomme de terre: #01540697
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 | Says who... I really want to know which people make up these Golden Rules.
 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 09:55 [#01540701] Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to pomme de terre: #01540697
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 | is this still techno music?  seriously, what is techno, exactly?  i always think of early-90's dance music...
 breakcore is quite different, i think.
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-03-22 09:58 [#01540708] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Followup to marlowe: #01540700 | Show recordbag
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 | I think Moby invented that one. 
 (Moby is the Godfather of electronic music)
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2005-03-22 10:00 [#01540709] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to pomme de terre: #01540708
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 | Moby should have been in one of the Twin Towers on the morning of September 11th, 2001.
 
 
 
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2005-03-22 10:05 [#01540719] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #01540709
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 | *one man round of applause* 
 
 
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         |  FlyAgaric
             from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-03-22 10:51 [#01540752] Points: 5776 Status: Regular
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 | harsh 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-03-22 10:54 [#01540756] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | poor moby, first eminem, now marlowe being mean 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2005-03-22 10:56 [#01540758] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to big: #01540756
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 | I believe I was dissing Moby long before Eminem embarassed himself on stage that one time.
 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-03-22 11:00 [#01540760] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | okay, but im on moby side even longer than that, he's nice 
 
 
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         |  r40f
             from qrters tea party on 2005-03-22 11:02 [#01540762] Points: 14210 Status: Regular
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 | moby and eminem suck in two equal but different ways.  they are like two opposite sides of the same suck coin.
 
 
 
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         |  roygbivcore
             from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2005-03-22 11:06 [#01540763] Points: 22557 Status: Lurker
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 | man i'm so sick of hearing about this album 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-03-22 11:54 [#01540806] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Then FUGGIN LEAVE 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2005-03-22 12:08 [#01540815] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | apparently theyre samples, someone recognized them from somewhere else.
 
 
 
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-03-22 12:23 [#01540825] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | an email i got this morning from the music director at work haha
 
 "I am listening to a disc I think you'll like...Venetian
 Snares.
 http://www.venetiansnares.com/ It arrived with the Damon &
 Naomi disc."
 
 
 
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         |  KADO
             from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-22 12:24 [#01540826] Points: 1484 Status: Regular
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 | I appreciate that the musical ideas come first but texture and a well balanced sound are very important aswell.
 
 Having some knowledge of sound and production techniques
 means I constantly pull apart music into its raw elements
 and think how I would have done it differently.
 
 If someone on the board had posted these tracks, I would see
 it as being a good effort.  For a well known and respected
 artist it falls a little below par, I know it's only my
 opinion but this sounds rushed, almost demo quality stuff.
 Good ideas that Need refining.
 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
             on 2005-03-22 12:27 [#01540830] Points: 24805 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | I like the album exactly the way it is.  I also like the track Go from Moby, I also like a large number of eminems
 tracks. So you can all go and fuck yourself until your
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         |  pomme de terre
             from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-03-22 12:27 [#01540831] Points: 11943 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Snares sounding rushed? never.. 
 
 
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         |  KADO
             from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-22 12:35 [#01540835] Points: 1484 Status: Regular | Followup to pomme de terre: #01540831
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 | I was a bit harsh in my last post.  V-Snares is clearly very good at what he does, and a lot better than some of the
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2005-03-24 09:03 [#01542713] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01540830
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 | GO is such an awful, awful track. 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-24 09:03 [#01542714] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Followup to pomme de terre: #01540831 | Show recordbag
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 | Snare rush? 
 
 
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             from tell the world you're winning on 2005-03-24 09:05 [#01542717] Points: 27859 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #01542713
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 | it's brilliant! 
 
 
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         |  mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-03-24 09:26 [#01542743] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker
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 | Sounds mostly sampled, though he could have added parts himself. Some of it, if not all, is definitely sampled.
 
 23-25 seconds into track 2, Szerencsetlen is from the very
 beginning of Bela Bartok's String Quartet No. 4.
 
 In fact the whole thing sounds like it's pieced together
 from any combination of parts from Bartok's 6 string
 quartets (Which are way way better on their own without the
 hackneyed drill added).   Other similar works he could have
 used may be some Ligeti quartets, though I have pretty
 limited knowledge.
 
 Oh and on the subject of string quartets and chamber music,
 if anybody knows where I could buy or download a Julliard
 Quartet performance of Paul Hindemith's string
 quartets...well, it would be great.  I heard his string
 quartet number one on the radio as performed by Julliard
 Quartet (twice actually), and it was amaaaazing.  The only
 one I can find for download is by the 'Danish Quartet' or
 somesuch but it lacks so much energy in comparison.
 
 I would love to hear the original version that Gloomy Sunday
 (in track 3 Ongyilkos Vasarnap) is taken from, but I can't
 find anything but covers of the song by other artists.
 
 
 
 
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             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-03-24 09:27 [#01542745] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01542743
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-24 10:03 [#01542786] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to r40f: #01540693
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             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-24 10:04 [#01542788] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to r40f: #01540693
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 | or rather - I wouldn't see "production values" as seperate from "the music" - it's inherent to the music.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2005-03-24 15:16 [#01543063] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | I thought the production on the strings was fine. It was the beats that bothered me.
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-24 18:02 [#01543199] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | I love Bartok's music (and Hungarian folk music too.) 
 I haven't got the album, but I can't imagine drill n bass
 beats combining very well with that (already accomplished
 and perfect in its own right) music; I'll buy it and see for
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         |  Refund
             from Melbourne (Australia) on 2005-03-25 02:23 [#01543402] Points: 7824 Status: Lurker
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 | venetian snares learnt to play the violin for this album, just do a search for vioin at planet-mu and you'll see what
 I mean, I can't find the original article where it said he
 learnt to play the violin, but he did, however some of the
 tracks contain the sounds of cello's, I think the closest
 thing to the truth is that some of it is sampled, some of it
 is him playing, I remember in htis particular article it
 also said that the breakbeats were an 'afterthought' to the
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         |  Skeptopotamus
             from Home (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-25 04:57 [#01543444] Points: 625 Status: Regular
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 | Ugh, afterthoughts. He should have done a straight classical album and not ruined it with beats that don't gel.
 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2005-03-25 05:21 [#01543454] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01542788
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 | I love you. 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2005-03-25 09:07 [#01543573] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | i think they're all pulling our legs and analord is computers too :<
 
 
 
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         |  DiaZoHeXagoN
             from The city of angels (United States) on 2005-03-25 10:53 [#01543625] Points: 2659 Status: Lurker
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 | gloomy sunday I believe the one he sampled was billie holidays
 I have a version of it some where ill try to pick it up on
 slsk later this evening
 
 the original version is actually much more depressing
 
 I think it was a traditional song kind of like greensleeves
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-25 12:52 [#01543710] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to dariusgriffin: #01543454
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 | hello. 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2005-03-25 13:07 [#01543720] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #01543710
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 | Hello. I love you. 
 
 
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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2005-03-25 13:17 [#01543729] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | Fucking gay as fuck m8 
 
 
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