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It is my firm belief that whether or not music is 'good' or not is more or less objective. The only differences in taste arise when a label is created by society for music and people decide whether or not they want that label. Agree or disagree? |
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1st! |
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disagree |
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The whole thing about music is just.. odd anyway... I want to listen to 3 or 4 minutes of organised and arranged noise... we're just tickling our ears and our brains, and that's a good thing. |
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disagree |
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I agree with the first sentence. |
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ach du lieber! if you know what i mean... |
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Have I been walking in cirrcles. |
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good joke, motherfucker. "objectivity". |
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disagree |
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I am making art I am making art I am making art I am making art I am making art I am making art I am making art |
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i'm a bit offending today. erase motherfucker in your minds. |
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you're just trying to piss people off, right? |
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quality changes subjectively with one human's emotions or feelings or state-of-mind at that particular time, thus any music a human does not like is simply a matter of that human not being able to be in the same mental state of that/those who created the music, and those who listen. |
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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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in real art there is nothing accidental. it is mathematics. everything in it can be calculated, everything can be known beforehand. the artist knows and understands what he wants to convey and his work cannot produce one impression on one man and another impression on another, presuming, of course, people on one level. it will always, and with mathematical certainty, produce one and the same impression. at the same time the same work of art will produce different impressions on people of different levels. and people of lower levels will never receive from it what people of higher levels receive. this is real, objective art. imagine some scientific work - a book on astronomy or chemistry. it is impossible that one person should understand it in one way and another in another way. everyone who is sufficiently prepared and who is able to read this book will understand what the author means, and precisely as the author means it. an objective work of art is just such a book, except that it affects the emotional and not only the intellectual side of man. |
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pleasure is subjective |
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You would one example only—music. Objective music is all based on 'inner octaves.' And it can obtain not only definite psychological results but definite physical results. There can be such music as would freeze water. There can be such music as would kill a man instantaneously. |
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disagree |
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Pleasure is not subjective. How our logic guides us to think which pleasure would be better in forethought of receiving one of two (having to make a choice) pleasures, is, however. |
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i had a different thought today. i tend to change my frame of mind frequently, i'm INCONSISTENT. with the effect that the same music always sounds more or less different to me when i listen to it again. the longer i have not listened to it genereally sounds more different. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT PROBABLY. if you are a different person today than you were yesterday and listen to the same music you did yesterday you actually hear other music (it has a different effect on you, it sounds different, because you interprete it differently). i came to the conclusion that there are no two persons who ever heard the same song. but fuck english, i lack vocabulary. |
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i couldn't agree more, brother. |
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I agree with everything that has been said so far. |
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in theory I agree |
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I'll agree that some people have objectively piss poor tastes |
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this is all cack. |
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i don't agree to any of this.... i just love music. Nothing more to add too it really. |
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I think so too, but I'll exchange the a in "cack" for o. |
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Hahaha, where's that crap from? |
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okoy. |
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i don't really understand the objectivity of this thread as it differentiates as to individual levels of interpretation as to what we define as the coming of the label or disintergration from the form, as it stands. anyone agree or disagree? |
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http://forum.watmm.com/index.php?showtopic=17339&hl=objecti ve YOU COPYCAT, YOU! |
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relax, no oone reads watmm. |
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actually welt, the "no two persons hearing it the same way" is how i describe electronic music to my friends who don't know anything about it i treat it like a software program that is compiled. after a period of listens, the user picks up on certain sounds / blips / whatever, and builds their lib. off that ... eventually, they "compile" the song in their head based off the sounds they subconsciously heard ... etc. so everyone picks up on different notes/parts of a song, or everyone follows the synth up and down differently, etc. and it is all compiled differently ... unlike pop music where it's hard NOT to hear it the same way as everyone else cheers |
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"so everyone picks up on different notes/parts of a song, or everyone follows the synth up and down differently, etc. and it is all compiled differently ... unlike pop music where it's hard NOT to hear it the same way as everyone else " personally i think that pop music is easier for the listener, but if everyone would be willing to put enough time and focus on more complicated/different music they'd all hear same thing..the thing is majority of people just don't want that, they want something easy listening, something to play in the background..they don't want to really listen.. |
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it's easier by definition! |
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which is why it takes me 3-4 weeks of solid listening before i can fuking grasp the latest (and previous) autechre albums jeezous, ill listen and be like "no no i just dont ... BAH!" then one day itll hit me like a ton of bricks and ill be solid on it :) chaos to bliss, and alls i had to do was take ^-1 at every 3e^2) intervals |
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but rreally why should everryone want to devote time to listening to a rrecorrd overr and overr picking it aparrt and giving time so they can fully apprreciate it. music may be ourr hobby but it's not everryones. people who arre into carrs can't expect everryone to know the differrence, orr even want to know the differrence between a good and a bad paint job. |
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who said that? :) all those who don't want to devote their time to music should shut the hell up when it comes to music..check elusive, he works hard to get enjoyment from it! |
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good music is good music if i think it's good. you might not think it's good but i don't fucking care what you think. it makes me shake my ass or tickles my fancy or something and if you can't see that then you can go fuck yourself! Fuck you! you fucking fascist! you can't dictate my opinion! i wanna listen to fucking Linkin Park and drive around and flip off cops and you ain't gonna stop me! cuz linkin park fukin' rulz and radiohead is a bunch of pussies singing about "boo hoo" and shaving their armpits and only fagits listen to 'em anyway you fag! |
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You don't have an opinion. That is my point. |
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primary, objective properties: mass, width, length, weight, durability, and other measurable properties that are not subject to debate. secondary, subjective properties: color, smell, sound, and stuff like that. that's from the mechanists, but it's a good definition. |
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unless you think they are no absolute truths. but i do, so don't argue it with me :) |
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anyone know what happens when you do that to autechre music? no one is responding, that sucks :( |
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if you really want to grasp what quality really is, might i suggest you read zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance. it sums it up well in 400 pages. |
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the only part of me i am happy for is that i dont make music which further contempts me to not understanding or "grasping" quality or m usic. |
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I agree. Quality in anything, not just music, is totally a objective thing... |
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I agree that quality can be measured objectively. I find that the people who don't appreciate good music, more or less don't understand the processes and ingenuity behind it. Particularly with electronic music, and classical. |
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music affects people differently that's for sure, but there are other factors than how it affects people emotionally. assuming that people's hearing is all the same is wrong. "how" you hear it is another factor. two persons might be hearing something totally different because their not focusing on the same object in the music. two people might have the same name for a colour but it doesn't mean they're seeing the same thing. |
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quality yes, taste no |
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