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offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-03-02 13:16 [#01519022]
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Traktor DJ Studio never seems to get the BPMs worked out on
itself, they are almost always noticably innacurate...
tapping them out is usually better but it still doesn't get
it sometimes. Also, if I tap it out and get it right it
doesn't remember it for next time. Am I doing something
wrong?


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-02 13:17 [#01519024]
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No. It's just a limitation of the software.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:18 [#01519026]
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it's actually much easier than you realise, but requires a
bit of work

i haven't really got time to explain it all now, but if you
go to the native instruments website and then find the
traktor forums, there is actually a sticky thread on there
with a really good tutorial. i used it a few weeks back and
have now more or less worked out how to use traktor properly
after fannying around on and off with it for years.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:20 [#01519030]
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and to make it remember what you've done, you have to write
it into the id3 tag (right click the mp3 on the browser menu
to get the option). also a good idea to "lock" the bpm in
the bpm menu

but you don't need to tap bpms out if you use the tutorial i
mentioned.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:28 [#01519049]
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First of all let me just say that this is not a tutorial or
even the "right" way to get your music into Traktor. There
are many different ways of using Traktor, no right way nor
wrong way. Instead we can all find a way that fits us and
our needs the best.
With this text I want to tell you how I use Traktor and
hopefully provide some of you with tips or ideas.

When I receive new music the first thing I do is to pop the
CD into my computer and give it a listen in iTunes
(www.apple.com/itunes). iTunes have several advantages such
as automatically inserting album, artist and track names by
using CDDB if you have an active Internet connection and the
CD is listed in CDDB (saves a lot of time), ease of use,
Traktor integration allowing you for instance to create
playlists in iTunes and then simply importing these
playlists into Traktor.
One of my favorite features of iTunes is that it
automatically keeps my music folder organized. Another good
feature is that you can set iTunes to copy files to to your
iTunes music folder when you add them to your music library.
By using both these features I know exactly where on the
computer all my music is at all times (the iTunes music
folder) and if I need to I can manually find a track very
quickly. However since I use iTunes to manage all my music
there is never any need to manually manage my tracks.
Of course these features can be turned off or on as you
desire by choosing Preferences - Advanced.

When I listen to the CD, I deselect the tracks that I do not
want (all tracks are selected by default) and assign a genre
to each track that I do want to keep since it helps me to
keep my music organized and I can easily find a suitable
track when I play.
I then rip the CD to mp3 with the iTunes-LAME Encoder.
(http://blacktree.com/apps/iTunes-LAME/) Unfortunately this
is not possible for Windows user since this is done with
Applescript. However you can also use the iTunes built in
encoder.
There has been many and long discussions at which quality
you should rip your tracks


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:29 [#01519053]
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. Personally I rip at 320 kbps for the simple reason that I
want the highest possible quality and since harddrives are
so cheap today I see no reason to comprimise quality just to
save a bit of space. Then why not use wav files you might
ask? Simple really, by using wav files I can't use Traktor
and it's features to the fullest.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:30 [#01519055]
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Once the tracks have been ripped into mp3's I start up
Traktor. The first thing to do is to add the new tracks to
the Traktor track collection. Due to the iTunes-Traktor
integration this is a piece of cake. I simply go to the
Browser tab in the set up window and press the Import Now
button.
Once the tracks are in the collection it's time to have them
analysed. To do so I click on the track collection in the
Browser window. Note that I click on the actual name "Track
Collection" and not on the folder symbol to expand the
collection. By doing it this way I get a track list of the
entire track collection in the Browser window.
One of the visible columns in the Browser window is the
"Analysed (Peak, Perceived)" column and by clicking that
column I sort the tracks in the collection so all tracks
that hasn't been analysed are shown in the beginning on the
list. (You can set which Browser columns are visible in the
Browser window by going to the Browser tab in the Set Up
window.)
Because all non-analysed tracks are shown in the top of the
list it's easy to select them all, then click the analyse
button and thus analysing all the new tracks in one go.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:30 [#01519056]
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Ok, now that all new tracks are analysed it's time to get
down and dirty with each track and place a beatgrid plus cue
points. By using a beatgrid I make sure that Traktor knows
the exact tempo of each track and thus making it easier to
mix.
In the beginning it can be a bit tricky to place a correct
beatgrid but with the help of some small tips and with
practice and experience it takes less than a minute.
To place the beatgrid I place a cue point on the first clear
beat AFTER the first beat. In most cases this means the
second beat but sometimes due to other sounds in the track
(bassline, lead melody, atmospheric sounds etc.) the second
beat can't be seen or detected easily and then I place the
cue point on the next clear beat.
After the cue point has been placed I bring up the edit cue
point window and convert the cue point into a Beat Marker.
Now a visible white grid. appear throughout the entire
track.
(Note that I have "Highlight Beat Markers" unchecked in the
Apperance tab in the Setup window since it makes it easier
to see how the grid aligns with the actual beats.)
Now I bring up the Edit BPM window. During the analyse of
the track Traktor has detected a BPM value for the track.
However this is usually not correct but most of the time it
is close to the actual tempo so I click the Round button and
then the Lock button before I close the Edit BPM window.
Now I go back in the track and place a cue point on the
first beat since most of the times this is where I want to
start the track when I mix. By placing a cue point on the
first beat I make sure that the track is already cued up
whenever I want to use it.
In some extreme cases it's impossible to see a clear beat
after the first beat. What I do then is to place the Beat
Marker on the first beat, then put a new Beat Marker on the
second beat and finally remove the first Beat Marker.
The reason why I don't want the beat marker on the first
beat is because I might want to use the first cue point as a
Deck Load or Fade In marker. Please note thoug


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:36 [#01519063]
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h that while in theory a Deck Load marker should tell
Traktor to cue up to that marker when you load the track but
in reality Traktor quite often doesn't.
Now it is time to check how the beatgrid aligns with the
actual beats. The fastest and easiest way to do so I have
found is to simply click on the stripe below the wave form
of the track to the end of the breaks in the track. There it
is very simple to see if the grid is correct since the first
beat after a break usually can be seen very easily.
Another option is to jump forward through the track by using
the move button set to 16 beats. This method is good to use
if there is a drift in the grid since it makes it easy to
see the shift when it starts. I usually do this after I have
tried the first method and have found a drift or if there
are no clear breaks in the track.
Yet another way to check the grid is to simply play the
track and see how the grid aligns to the beat that you hear.
I don't use this option very often since it takes a long
time to listen though the entire track but is is useful in
the cases where you have a track with a very "busy" wave
form where it is impossible to see the beats. It can be a
bit difficult though to see the grid properly as the wave
form scrolls by. There is a small tip though to solve this
problem. Simply decrease the tempo of the track down to a
slower speed with the tempo slider. This does not effect the
ACTUAL tempo of the track, just the play back tempo. At this
slower speed it's usually easy to see the beatgrid while I
hear the beats.
If I detect that the beatgrid drifts away from the actual
beat by using any of the methods above I simply correct it
in the Edit BPM window. A very easy rule of thumb is that if
the grid drifts to the left then I click on the right button
(-) to bring it back to the right and of course on the left
button (+) if the grids drift to the right.
It is important to check the entire track to the end since
any drift will be more severe the further into the track you
get.
Finally I plac


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:36 [#01519064]
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e another cue point on the last beat of the track. That way
I have a visual indication as to where the end of the beat
in the track is. The stripe isn't a reliable way to tell the
end of the track since sometimes there are many other sounds
effecting the wave form.

Puh! That was a long explanation as to how to use beatgrids
and even though it may sound like a lot of work it's not and
it goes really quickly after some practice. I usually place
a beatgrid and the other cue points in a track in 30
seconds. Time well spend considering that now Traktor knows
the exact tempo of the track and it has the necessary cue
points.

The last thing to do with the track is to write this
information to the track. Sure Traktor keep track of all the
track information in the collection.nml file but if this
file get corrupted then all info is lost. Personally I have
had my collection.nml file corrupted on several occasions.
By writing the info to the track itself I make sure that the
info is always there. This is also handy if you move tracks
to a different computer.
To write the info to the track you can either right click on
the track in the browser window and select "Write File Tag
(ID3)" or you can bring up the edit window by clicking the
edit button in the Browser window and then click the Write
ID3 Tag. The first method is handy to write the tags to
several tracks at once while the second method is good if
there is any additional info you want to add.
Note that you have to have "Extended Tags & Stripe" button
selected in the Browser tab in the Setup window for this to
work.

Done! Almost... The thing is that even though you have
instructed Traktor to write the tag info to the track
sometimes Traktor doesn't.
In order to check it go back to iTunes, select the track and
then display the info for the track. Now there should be a
BPM value entered in the box under the info tab. If not then
go back to Traktor and select write tag info again.
This is a simple way to see if everything is correct.
Personally I have t


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:37 [#01519065]
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he BPM values visible in iTunes all the time. That way I can
always see if a track has been prepared for use in Traktor
or not.

Well, that is it and I hope this long (winded?) explanation
can be of help or inspiration to some of you.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-02 13:39 [#01519066]
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(taken from the traktor website)

Follow it - it will help.....!


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2005-03-02 16:33 [#01519320]
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Thank you very much, one problem... I am not aware of any
analyse button?

i tried the beatgrid method for getting the tempo, it didn't
seem exactly perfect but I'll have a proper go at it later


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-03-02 19:15 [#01519480]
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only legal versions have that button


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-03-03 00:14 [#01519747]
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I have an, erm, not exactly legitimate version, and that has
the button.

If you right-click in the browser window on a file, it's in
there. The browser must be on the current playlist, not in
your file tree.

Analyse isn't really all that necessary anyway, not for BPM
etc. It's just useful because it gives you the waveform of
the entire track.

A little tip - the BPM that Traktor gives you, even after
analysing, is almost always wrong (I think exceptions are
extremely rare). What I do is to first analyse the tracks in
MixMeister (which is much more accurate - you can actually
get a demo version that will do this from the MixMeister
website). I then enter this BPM value into Traktor.

After that, I use the aforementioned beatgrid method to
fine-tune the BPM. The whole process takes very little time
at all. Once you've done that, Traktor works perfectly, even
with quite complicated tempos.


 


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