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offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 17:27 [#01462588]
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what program do I use to play flac files?


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-16 17:29 [#01462590]
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winamp


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-16 17:29 [#01462591]
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winamp you say?

what is this, some new kind of witchery!?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 17:34 [#01462600]
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Get winamp plugins here as part of the codec
install.

Some players like foobar2000 can play them natively.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:35 [#01462602]
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foobar2000
download the 'special' installer, it will play any audio
file you could ever want.

winamp sucks it


 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 17:35 [#01462603]
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windows media or real player no?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-16 17:35 [#01462606]
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..realplayer? what..?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 17:37 [#01462609]
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Gross. For windows media player install the direct show
filter here


 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 17:38 [#01462611]
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no way I can change these files to another format?

can I burn these into a cdr and listen to them?


 

offline AlbertoBalsalm from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2005-01-16 17:42 [#01462615]
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aren't 320kb mp3s enough? i mean, there's about zero
difference?


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:42 [#01462616]
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nacmat, do you have .cue files with the .flac files? or is
it 1 flac files per song?
i rip my cds to full cd flacs with cue files which store the TOC
information and the titles.
nero can burn flacs to audio cds with a plugin, if you have
the .cue file, tell nero to burn that once you have the
plugin.
flac is awsome because it is lossless rather then lossy
compression like mp3 (maybe you know)
download http://cyberial.com/flacinstaller.asp to convert to
wavs or whatever too



 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-01-16 17:45 [#01462619]
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winamps works quite well yeah.



 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:46 [#01462620]
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alberto, say for example i rip all my cds to very high
bitrate mp3 or ogg or whatever, you are right, i wont be
able to tell the difference, but say 2 years from now
theres a new better amazing compression format, well ill be
screwed and have to re rip all my cds and encode in the new
format, because it is kind of terrible to go from lossy
format to another format.
so flac is considered good for that reason, and most of my
flacs from cds are around 600kbps...so i wouldnt save all
that much sapce by going to like 300kbps lossy.
also flac has built in checksumming, i can confirm the
integrity of my files easily.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:47 [#01462622]
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in any case, using something foobar, it is also very easy to
load all my cue sheets into foobar, and use the diskwriter
function to create single song ogg files that are all in the
proper directories and have the proper tags and everything.
so its easy to create lossy files from the lossless
archives.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:52 [#01462630]
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by the way, to further try and pimp the flac format,
i rip all my stuff using EAC in secure mode and
with offset correction on a plextor.
so if i burn a flac/cue back onto an audio cd, that cd will
be bit for bit identicle to the original cd.
so when i want to give someone a copy of a cd, its very
convinient.
using any lossy format, the cd you burn may sound mostly the
same but it will really be a crappy copy.


 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 17:54 [#01462632]
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can i burn my flac files into cdrs without problem?


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 17:56 [#01462635]
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nacmat yes sir,
as i said above nero has no trouble if you install the
plugin
you can install the plugin automatically by installing
this
if your not going to be using nero, i would suggest
installing that anyways, and using th e"flac front end" to
decode flacs to wavs and burning those.



 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 18:01 [#01462642]
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can that file have a virus?


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 18:03 [#01462647]
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no!
haha oh i rmember , read this :"
" NOTE: Several virus scanners are reporting that FLAC
contains a trojan; this is a FALSE POSITIVE. For more info
see here, here, here."
links here
http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-16 18:03 [#01462648]
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you don't have a virusscanner?

EVERYONE INFECT NACMAT'S COMPUTER!!! WOOHOO!!


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 18:04 [#01462651]
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he does have a virus scanner, thats the problem, its
reporting a false positive because of the nullsoft installer


 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 18:10 [#01462667]
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great I changed the flacs into wavs already

thanks a lot dennis

now I have analord in wav quality


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 18:12 [#01462669]
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no problem.
whered youd pick those up? id like to give them a listen


 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 18:13 [#01462673]
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it's actually better than mp3s if you burn CDRs often, since
whereas mp3 only approximates the music (albeit very well!),
flac is an exact copy of the source material. Lots of
audiophiles (and pointless nerds) swear by it. Some
portable audio devices support it as well!


 

offline nacmat on 2005-01-16 18:17 [#01462678]
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I am on soulseek bbut now I go to bed and I close computer

tomorrow I ll be online

my nick is mat_roy


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 18:24 [#01462697]
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most of all, flac is just future friendly, like i say in my
above posts.
and i do swear by it.


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-01-16 20:00 [#01462811]
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<-pointless nerd


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-01-16 20:44 [#01462855]
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how do you convert a wav into flac?


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 20:51 [#01462865]
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yann_g that same program that i linked nacmat up above that
decodes flacs will encode flacs too.
if you want to do it directly while your ripping there sre
some good guides on EAC+flacs


 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 20:55 [#01462873]
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Ogg is good enough for me; as a matter of fact, href="http://telgarsky.com/matusacode/orgh.html"
target=blank>it is very close
.


 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 20:56 [#01462874]
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mother fucking ass licking SHIT I guess you can't put
modifiers (like italics) in lazy links. stupid xlt
destruction parser. anyway..


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 20:57 [#01462875]
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sneakattack, ogg is awsome, i transcode all my flacs to ogg,
its just not future friendly, no lossy audio is. as i wrote
above:

alberto, say for example i rip all my cds to very high
bitrate mp3 or ogg or whatever, you are right, i wont be
able to tell the difference, but say 2 years from now
theres a new better amazing compression format, well ill be
screwed and have to re rip all my cds and encode in the new
format, because it is kind of terrible to go from lossy
format to another format.
so flac is considered good for that reason, and most of my
flacs from cds are around 600kbps...so i wouldnt save all
that much sapce by going to like 300kbps lossy.
also flac has built in checksumming, i can confirm the
integrity of my files easily.



 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 21:01 [#01462877]
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ogg schmogg


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 21:13 [#01462879]
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oh yeah but you love mp3s and everything they stand for
-you have to license the technology to create them
(legally)
-they suck when compared to ogg
-no proper gapless playback support

the only thing they have going for them is that the everyone
knows the whole peer-to-peer music sharing thing as 'mp3'
and they are widely supported by both hardware and
software.
but you know that more video games that are coming out now
use ogg for their compressed audio rather then mp3? because
ogg is free and open and it simply sounds better.
tremor has been released which is a fixed point
implimentation for decoding ogg vorbis and this means that
more and more hardware will begin to support it.
mp3 sucks shit and that mother fucker is going down.

to be honest, most mp3s out there (say, on kazaa....) sound
crappy. its better then it used to be with blade enc and all
those . recent versions of LAME, can create pretty nice
sounding mp3s at 192kbps. so its not like it has to sound
that that bad. an ogg at q4 (~128kbps) or q5 will sound as
good if not better then a 192kbps lame mp3 though..... so i
mean then you are just saving space by using the ogg.

(and to be picky what we are all refering to should really
be specified as "vobis" even though the extension is "ogg"
just because vorbis is an audio codec in the ogg family.

FLAC is also part of OGG, as is speex and theora.



 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 21:14 [#01462880]
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1) duh
2) I saw you mention it the first and second times, #3 was
unnecessary.
3) I'm getting a portable audio player in the mail tomorrow
which supports ogg
4) ogg will be around for quite a while, and accessible for
much longer after that with a little bit of work since the
source is open


 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 21:15 [#01462881]
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go to that page I linked above. I wrote it, so it rules.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 21:16 [#01462882]
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sneakattack, okay sorry, it just seemed that you hadnt read
the first half of the thread.
which portable are you getting? ive been looking around for
a while.
and i did check the page it is cool, good job.
long live ogg



 

offline pomme de terre from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-16 21:18 [#01462884]
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here is some major flac talk going on here


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 21:20 [#01462885]
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flac is pretty major


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 21:22 [#01462886]
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The main problem in your reasoning is that you listen to
music with your ears, not your eyes.

vorbis has big problems for portable use. too much cpu
required to decode (compared to mp3), so battery life under
vorbis sucks. The developers know this but it's a bit of a
dirty secret. The next major release of vorbis will probably
be better here though.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad vorbis exists, it's just not
good enough for me to consider over mp3. The killer is
indeed hardware support. I've got a whole house audio
network based around these and they only support
mp3 and wav.


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 21:23 [#01462887]
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flac yuo!


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-01-16 21:26 [#01462889]
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yeah the thing is, with the tremor i mentioned, when
hardware devices start using standalone dedicated chips to
do the decoding (like you can buy a mp3 decoding chip for
like 5 dollars now) then there wont be as much of a problem
with the high computational power required for decoding
oggs.

ive seen those slim devices things
Squeezebox supports most popular formats: AAC (on Mac or
Windows), AIFF, FLAC, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WAV or WMA (Windows
only). AAC, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis and WMA files are supported
through server-side conversion into uncompressed audio;



 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-01-16 21:28 [#01462890]
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it appears as though flac is awesome


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2005-01-16 21:34 [#01462891]
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Without getting into a lot of boring detail, I can't use
vorbis on those units because some are still on a wireless
network that can't handle the bandwidth of a decoded pcm
audio stream. If the unit supported vorbis in the hardware
instead of decoding on the server, I'd use it.


 

offline sneakattack on 2005-01-16 21:42 [#01462893]
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yeah mine gets ogg with a firmware update, so all software
=(

It is veerry pricey, but my father told me "get any audio
player you want" for my xmas/bday present, so after looking
very carefully I took the iAudio U2. The battery life is
the only problem; maybe I should have gotten their G3 (which
will have a 2 gig model soon). I'll put a thorough review
on xlt a few days after it arrives.


 


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