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i guess what i am saying about the duchamp work is that it is only concept, at least for me, i guess you start to think differently about a toilet when it is placed up on display, but i dont, to me it is still a toilet - if you disagree then thats a good thing, i guess artists would appreciate duchamp better than i would, being a non-artist, i respond with my emotions to a piece of art, when it starts to get scientific and metaphysical, then i can no longer keep the beauty of the art (magic, wonder, basically pure emotion) active, i can discuss it and keep it in the metaphysical world, but there is no art in there. |
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You are missing the point entirely, what you are discussing is "craft" not "art". |
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Well that doesn't come as a surprise, as that's where these "500 leading art world figures" had their minds flushed. |
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see all posts above yours for more information. |
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so what are we arguing here then? craft or art you wrote that ambiguously |
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so, then you agree with for instance hume, who thought that there could be a "perfect judge," who knew all about art, and in that way, you mean that art is not for everyone, but for a select few to decide? now, THAT's bollocks! Art should be for the public in order to fulfill its purpose (which varies after what you believe art IS, but no-one can say that it lacks purpose). |
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communists, fascists and individualists can still agree with other people, can't they?! As long as there are more than a given number of people, a majority can be found. ..and I don't think you've understood the analogy yet even though you're reacting the way I wanted you to... you see that the example is absurd, while agreeing that the same goes for art. Make the connections. |
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i piss on your art! |
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Urinal is Anal. |
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and on a side note, it's these kind of conversations that illustrate how effective it is as an art piece. it's still just a fucking toilet, though. i didn't know they manafactured toilets like that back then, though. |
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But is it the piss that is the art, or is it the act of pissing? |
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the piss, i'd hope - you'd have to have a lot of piss to stand in a museum doing that all day. |
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Yes - Mass Murder is an interesting Art Form leading to conversations. So is Kylie's Arse. |
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mass murder isn't an object. i guess you could argue the latter is, though, but i won't go there. (note: i'm not saying that i appreciate such 'art', purely that it fits within the definition of it). |
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I still think it's a toilet. |
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you're not the only one. you can't argue that it hasn't been effective as an art piece though; look at all the other modern art shit that has come out since then. ho ho, i made a funny pun. |
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there is more content to Duchamp's piece than people give it credit for... just think of all the revolutionary poetry absolutely screaming from that urinal, just sitting there in the gallery... think of the absolute tension is must have generated in the air... the problem here is that we have completely abstracted ourselves from the work itself... just talking about it really sort of undermines it in certain ways... kind of hard to talk about the emotional effects before you've even seen it, wouldn't you say? Duchamp to me is an obvious choice for most influential modern art, precisely because it absolutely explodes the horizon of potential art... the urinal is like this black hole sitting at the cusp of a completely new understanding of the world in general and it all makes aesthetics a rather trivial matter wouldn't you say? but i mean really all of this has been said already... that'll teach me for not checking around here just a bit more often these days... it's true that most of the time lately it has been dominated by attention whores who have nothing valuable to contribute... but it still has you people... dunnit? Duchamp and Cage: so so so goddamned imoportant... their fingerprints are all the fuck over the new paradigm... |
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God it is so much fun to discuss Duchamp's urinal with reactionary people. To this day they become outraged. Now that's a potent work. It's the prank that keeps on pranking. |
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i can agree with cage reference, but maybe i am just barking up a tree i dont understand, i have never studied art ie painting, and am only learned in music, so it was me who was pissing out their opinion. i hate picking a scab, but is there anyone comparable in music to duchamp? if you think about it though, duchamps fountain permeates all areas of art not just sculpture or painting. i guess maybe carl stalling :) |
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