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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 16:07 [#01380426]
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having to ban someone would make tolstoyed a nervous wreck.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-02 16:07 [#01380428]
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I agree. EggyWabbs did make a valid point
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:10 [#01380429]
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so... just for me... can someone please sum up, in one paragraph, what the hell has been going on here?!?!
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:11 [#01380432]
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If you feel the spirit and fun is leaving Xltronic, you really don't have to hang around here. There are other messageboards that you could frequent arent there?
Qrter: I aslo think that there is an underlying tone of your disliking for me as a board member when you also pass remarks. And in response to Virginpushers comment, I would almost certainly have to disagree with at least one of his nominations, and probably for the same reason 'deep down' as yours :)
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 16:13 [#01380433]
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Jedi Chris got elected mod a few days ago. Some member didn't like that decision, so they protested by being mean to Jedi Chris. A few members were temp banned because of this. The statement was made that the board was going to be moderated more strictly starting now. People didn't like that, and continue to protest, although desent seems to be fading somewhat.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-02 16:16 [#01380435]
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I dont think anyone should leave. I think that stuff and attitudes like "like it or leave it" really hurt a community.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 16:16 [#01380436]
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elected
appointed
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-02 16:18 [#01380438]
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*READ*
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nacmat
on 2004-11-02 16:19 [#01380441]
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moderating is harder than we think, that I tell you
I once asked phobia to be a mod and he told me I was not the best option, now I understand him, its really hard to deal with all people evenhaveing to bann people that you like... and as well as I think he was right with me, I also think he is right about jedi chris, he will do a great job I am sure, cos he is a nice person and he enjoys being here and has some good friends in this place... so he knows the spirit of the place (although some of you doubt that, I dont)
I respect the moderators here cos they do a great job.
we have already mentioned xcque and ophecks, but pomme was great when he was here and ceri is a great moderator too.
its a pitty that jand is not here often cos he is wise enough to deal with this
the moderating team here is excellent imo, but this are indeed hard times....
dont worry guys, this will pass over its always the same, its all cycles
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:19 [#01380442]
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so. some people are being cocks about something they can't control yea?
I think it's a fine desision myself!
For those protesting:
The landlord of pub can change the environment and his staff as he sees fit. If you don't like the pub anymore, then leave. If the pub generates profit loss because of its desision, landlord suffers, not you.
get over it guys.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:19 [#01380444]
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Well unfortunately Phobiazero is in charge, and when he means there is gonna be less trash here, then you're just gonna have to deal with it. Sorry if this displeases you, and others but the few that have trashed this place are the ones responsible!
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 16:19 [#01380445]
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"I think that stuff and attitudes like "like it or leave it" really hurt a community."
I agree. I mean, fundamentally, that may very well be the way it works around here. but, for mods to be tossing that mindset around so much... it really puts a bad vibe in the air.
you guys owe us nothing, and, of course, you can run the show how you see fit, but it reflects heavilly on how much you value your visitors when you discourage discussion about the board by saying if you don't like it, fuck off!
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:20 [#01380446]
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Well said.
Nice to see you back here. Where have you been?
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mrgypsum
on 2004-11-02 16:23 [#01380447]
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if thats true, then why have this be a FREE site, make it a mandatory pay site,it solves the problems you mention, that way if people got banned they lose their money,
right now, who cares if one gets banned? you can just come back with a diff name/email.
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:24 [#01380448]
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no internet access at my new job (with my dad) but still plenty of time wasting! ;). you look... well....like darth maul still...
I'd still enjoy it here, no matter what's going on!
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:26 [#01380450]
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fair enough point. shit happens here all the time tho. I just don't see the use in complaining all the time because that ALSO creates a bad vibe.
I see what you mean tho.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:28 [#01380451]
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Its been quite sometime since you were here last isnt it?
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:30 [#01380452]
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I've not checked but... yes.
This will be about the time I'll be on from now on though. I'll pop on for 15 mins here and there most week nights.
I miss it, and you guys.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:32 [#01380454]
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We've missed you too!
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Chri5py
from my Solarbear (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:33 [#01380457]
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on that note... I'm off! :) he he
I'll see you tomorrow?
lataz JC
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:34 [#01380458]
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Nite mate!
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-11-02 16:34 [#01380459]
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Yes, there are other messageboards, but they suck compared to xltronic, at least before the "New Seriousness" phase. What do you expect here? Some kind of Instand Mod-Ban-Fest isn't going to change the personalities of the regular posters. Things have gotten pretty fucked lately... it's not only non-worksafe threads / posts that are disappearing, and to be honest, i'm not entirely sure why.
Yes, phobiazero does have ultimo-awesome-power here, but i'm not sure that excercising it in this way is "productive" (for fear of using a pretty loaded buzz-word right there). A dream of the "perfect" IDM board doesn't make it more likely to happen, and a ban/delete orgy isn't the way to go about it. Eye Emm Haytch Ohh.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:38 [#01380470]
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Adding 1 new moderator right now isn't going to solve anything and neither is enforcing strict rules.
There was a great level a couple of years ago when there was always a mod around and people still posted inane stuff without it going overboard and shit like the current events happening.
The list of mods is a joke as most of them don't actually visit the board anymore. I can't say if they work behind the scenes or not but the point of mods is that they're actually present on the board and that's not happening.
I know Ceri has a new job and can't really browse the board from work and no home net access so he can't really moderate the board.
Pomme I have no idea where he is.
Jand has made about 3 threads stating he'll be around more but that's all we hear from him. This is a shame as he was a fantastic mod and had some of the greatest musical knowledge.
Chapman....?
Xanatos pops up randomly to bump the already pinned gallery thread and to tell us his brother dated Paris Hilton or something.
Sine 707 is AWOL and I rarely remember seeing him here in the first place.
Tunemx pops in to tell us he's changed something. If I remember rightly he's hella busy with work
Phob, you also were busy and your home net access was screwed I think. You're here now though so I'm assuming it's fixed. You used to be an almost permanent feature here!
Gonzola has been around sporadically.
Ophecks isn't here as much as he used to be. Once again this is a shame as he's as fair a mod as you could hope for.
Andreas I have no idea who they are!
djfony is an unknown
archcarrier is another unknown
xceque is here more often of late and that's a good thing as he's another good mod.
I think that's all of them. I can't remember to be honest. Looking back at that list though you can see that most of them just aren't regulars here and that's where the problem lies.
I've probably written a load of bollocks there.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 16:40 [#01380472]
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how could you forget good ol' SPD !
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:42 [#01380473]
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Ah yes, the squarepusher discography person. Well I haven't seen them for a while either.
That post was probably my longest yet.
Oh yeah and an edit post feature REALLY is needed. A lot of crap here could easily be solved if we could edit our posts.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-02 16:42 [#01380474]
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Ophecks and Xceque have appeared alot lately. Its a good thing
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:44 [#01380479]
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I more or less said that.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-11-02 16:46 [#01380481]
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That ain't no bollocks, matey, that's pretty bloody insightful.
Moderation of the board needs to be by people on the board, not by somebody who's been vociferous in their distaste for most xlt members in the past, and who's said they're pretty disinterested in electronic music.
Again, Eye Emm Haytch Ohh. Or something.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:47 [#01380483]
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Do I get criticised as well? :P
Now why can't a few more of you be pillars of the community like young Mr Giginger! ;)
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:48 [#01380484]
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You are of course entitled to an opinion, but it is how it is from now on.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 16:50 [#01380489]
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You're too new :P
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-02 16:52 [#01380494]
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I was seconding the notion
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sons of august
from the sacred cycles on 2004-11-02 16:53 [#01380496]
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what? moderating is hard? oh, boo hoo. as if it's your job and you get paid for it? come on now
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 16:54 [#01380497]
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And you're too nice! :P
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xceque
on 2004-11-02 16:55 [#01380499]
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I'm around most days. I pop on for a minute or two at various times of the day when I've got the time, just to see if anything crazy is going on. I'll stop it when I see it, but there's bound to be times when things slip by.
It's also quite tricky judging when that line of acceptability is crossed, so often I'll let things through and keep an eye out, or give a warning. I only temp ban as a last resort, or if someone is obviously trolling or using a dupe account. I've only perm banned once, I think. Maybe twice.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-11-02 17:01 [#01380506]
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well, it's no secret I do not like you much and part of why I don't like you is the same reason why I don't think you are the best choice for a mod - to me you seem to have little connection to the board and the people who frequent it most.
I know, it's phobiazero's choice and I'm not going to loose a night's sleep over it.. but I don't think it's the strongest statement he could've made. I hope you get more affection with people here, I guess.
on myself being a mod - HA! I wouldn't want to be a mod, believe me. it wouldn't be very good for the board, I think.
besides, I think hell would freeze over before Phobia would consider me.
which is pretty much what I thought what happen before he would ask you to be mod, coincidentally..
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-11-02 17:04 [#01380511]
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ok here you have my opinion coz all of teh fuckin time i was just watching this shit going on here. you wanna have strict mb ? then ban all of us coz every one of us is in part responsible for whats going on. you wanna be a strict mod ? please, first ban yourself for rudness on soulseek - i still dont get how someone who can easily say "WE ARE THE BEST THE REST IS CRAP" in serious way can be a mod. and in serious way coz shit me if i saw you joking here, besides LOL's, :)'s and greetings.
thats to you mr flash fisher-price jedi. buy yourself a real sword, and gimme a reason. i havent seen you enough even to say HI , now youre a mod. i dont give a shit whats between phobs and you , but at least what are reason for making YOU a mod, eh ? star wars fanatism ? dont think so.
now,m due to rules posted in FAQ. if you would like to bring law and order, first you need to bring EQUAL RIGHTS. im not a philosopher, but even child knows that NO EUQL RIGHTS = MESS. how the fuck you wanna have strict mb when people see injustice in mods behaviour ? how many innocent ppl was banned ? and for what ? and while this, how many those who desevre to be banned are still here ? and dont give me shit like "ok so who else do you want me to ban" . ban all of us, invite new silly 16year old wankarz in love with aphex twin that even dont know who is beethoven, then tell them to shut up and you will have a strict mb.
stict ! hitler wanted to have strict world too. shame he wanted good but others didnt understood him, aight ? silly.
so what do we have now ? shortly - chris is a mod, no one likes the idea, but FUCK OFF !! ITS A PRIVATE BOARD< AIGHT? . oh, and no matter that by past months weve had a real comic book here - NOW WE WILL SHOW YOU THE RULES !!!
shame, but this is how i see this shit. and you wanna know something more sad ? here : more stuff coming soon people. i just cant wait.
PS. thank you. B7
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-11-02 17:07 [#01380515]
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and btw, i wont even think about sayin stuff like "i dont wanna be a troll but i think" or "no offence but i think". mods should be adult enough to know who is offensive or not. thats why they are mods.
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xceque
on 2004-11-02 17:07 [#01380516]
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Genius! :D
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-11-02 17:10 [#01380521]
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fuckin' hell!
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 17:20 [#01380531]
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Why I am a moderator here is perhaps something you ought to discuss with Phobiazero, so I suggest you take up your gripes with him.
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sons of august
from the sacred cycles on 2004-11-02 17:23 [#01380533]
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shut up
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-11-02 17:29 [#01380538]
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well, i said i dont give a shit about it, so dont take it personally, but theres too much things that pisses of ppl about all this strictness, banning others, cant you see chris ?
i tell you something : if i would become a mod, and i would see that this decision makes another mess ( like we have it now, all these discussions ) i would resign. no point of making someone controversial a mod, and as i can see it, phobs decision is quite controversial. you cant disagree.
maybe you will become a good mod, fuck knows, but im tellin you - better be a good mod, coz after whole mess about making you a mod, failing in this task would be like the fuckin last nail in a coffin with XLT logo ( btw, wheres the fuckin logo that won the logo contest ?? ) on it. coffin that is half-buried, so please i beg you - dont fuck this. i will watch it.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-11-02 17:31 [#01380540]
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fuck off. come here to help ? wanker. oh, no offence btw. offence = bad = ban.peace.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-11-02 17:33 [#01380541]
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Please dont tell me how to be a good moderator, and things will be fine
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-02 17:34 [#01380542]
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To be fair Hyukasen makes a very valid point, all be it in his own way.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-11-02 17:37 [#01380544]
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yeah, when you run a strict messageboard, you administrate with hitler.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-11-02 17:37 [#01380545]
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thats just pathetic, your pride was touched ? see ? every bit of criticism you take as wising up / offensive post. i just said that theres a lot of work waiting for you as for a mod, and as for someone who isnt welcome as a mod. its up to you how you solve it.
and btw, i will tell you what i want to tell you, and how can you be sure that i wouldnt be a better mod than you ? in fact, we will see coz ive just send a list of all members who fucked up html in the past and phobs said that he will make me a mod for that.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-11-02 17:42 [#01380546]
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I wonder what that sentence means.
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xceque
on 2004-11-02 17:43 [#01380547]
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Don't moderate and "the board is going downhill", do moderate and "you're a board Nazi". the only thing you can do is follow your instinct, annoy people and learn to enjoy it :D
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