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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:02 [#01339791]
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Hi
I really love the sound of selected ambient works vol II By far my favorite aphex twin / electronic album ever. I am posting this thread not with the goal to create the same music or the same sounds, but to get in the right direction and help others find their right sound.
Equipment does matter a lot in my opinion.
Think I also know which synthesizer was mainly used for SAW II: the Yamaha CS-80 analogue monster.
I clearly recognise its sound and playing style. - it's very organic brassy sound, crazy ring mod, polyphonic aftertouch, polyphonic pitch bend (in sustain 1 mode do a long sustain and only the notes you keep pressed down will pitch bend with the slider), etc
I never read anywhere before that the CS80 was used and I've searched for info for years so this is probably the first time this is written.
Hope it will help the people looking to make music in this direction.
Anybody else have tips on which equipment was used? Think also the korg ms-20, I love it, especially it's external input amp and filters, think it was used as well.
Do you know which delays? Was it the tc2290? Which reverb? Quantec? EMT 140 or 251? Also hear a spring in there, Great British Spring Reverb?
Which compressor? Also think it was recorded on tape.
Was thinking about keeping this kind of info to myself (specially the cs-80) took me a long time and a lot of analogue equipment to find the right sound.
Probably the same for other people here who have good tips, but hey, if this helps the right people to make amazing music you yourself will want to listen to then it's worth while i think and outweighs the fear of people copying your music (also think aphex twin should just publish his equipment list and production methods, bad commercially but good for music).
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2004-09-19 17:05 [#01339794]
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Reverb.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:06 [#01339795]
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he did a lot of it using tape to tape cassette recorders and copied most of the sounds from other records
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-09-19 17:07 [#01339797]
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I would like to help, but i have Absolutely No Idea what equipment Mr James uses, either past or present.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:07 [#01339798]
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SAW II was released 10 years ago.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:09 [#01339802]
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so was what is love by haddaway. that's just too much of a co-incidence to be a co-incidence.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:10 [#01339804]
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Richard was Haddaway(an'shite)? I had him down as KWS and Messiah, for sure.
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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:18 [#01339807]
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no waay he copied most of the sounds from other records :) it's mostly played by hand!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:19 [#01339809]
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if you listen to 'on' and 'what is love' they both loosely have the same chord structure, just at different speeds
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-09-19 17:20 [#01339810]
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Yeah right, I have seen loads of hands that make electronic sounds...the only ones I can think of at the moment are Robocops and Johnny 5...certainly not Aphex Twin. Learn about stuff before you type.
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cie jiks mawp
from motion to descend (Australia) on 2004-09-19 17:20 [#01339811]
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who wrote what is love?
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yann_g
from now on 2004-09-19 17:21 [#01339813]
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didn't he use a korg ms20?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:21 [#01339814]
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You can play "on" on the black keys of a keyboard, like I know what I am talking about, BUT IT's TRUE. I don't know how to play "Woohohohowowowowhat is love", however, on the black keys or not.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-09-19 17:22 [#01339815]
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aphex twins wrote it
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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:22 [#01339816]
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i know my stuff he probably didn't have midi on his cs-80 no cv and gate inputs how else are you going to play it
now i'm talking about saw II, not "on" or any other record
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-09-19 17:23 [#01339818]
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I was going to put the 'black key' thing but I thought I would be ostresized.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339820]
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youre safe as long as you don't say pentatonic, thatll make you look like a right arse
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339821]
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It's ok, I'm not proud, it's the only song i can play on a keyboard.
Didn't Dickie do all of SAW II in his sleep whilst lucid dreaming, he wouldn't be able to tell you HIMSELF what he used to record it.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339822]
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ahhh bollocks
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:27 [#01339826]
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oh he's done it now, look.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-09-19 17:30 [#01339832]
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Analord is back to basics! No DSP, just Polygon styles!
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:31 [#01339835]
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Jivver's let it slip, HE IS THE ANALORD!!!!!!!
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yann_g
from now on 2004-09-19 17:32 [#01339836]
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polygon's hyptnotic.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-09-19 17:35 [#01339839]
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I don't know shit from shit! But........... I know analord is back to the warp oldschool. 'A step backward is a step forward' when judged correctly
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:40 [#01339845]
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atatat danielsan, seek not to know the answers but to understand the questions. man who faces wrong way goes backwards when walking forwards but goes forwards when walking backwards
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-09-19 17:48 [#01339851]
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This is too Xen for me. I'm pissed out of my brains!! have you got 'skype' earth?
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-09-19 17:52 [#01339859]
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lovely thread
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:55 [#01339864]
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not anymore. i went to the doctors and he gave me some ointment for it, cleared up really quickly.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:03 [#01339873]
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SAW III, WILL be out soon
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AphexTwin11
from OOOOOO (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:07 [#01339879]
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your an electronic music master mdv.
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yann_g
from now on 2004-09-19 18:07 [#01339880]
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if only...
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yann_g
from now on 2004-09-19 18:08 [#01339882]
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that was a followup to recycle btw.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:10 [#01339886]
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i knew that, there were rumors, only time will tell, and not just 010101 rumors, there were some semi-important people that thought so as well
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Rostasky
from United States on 2004-09-19 18:13 [#01339889]
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This thread didn't end up nearly as useful as when it started.
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AphexTwin11
from OOOOOO (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:15 [#01339890]
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i love your avatar Rostasky
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Rostasky
from United States on 2004-09-19 18:18 [#01339893]
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You could have made my day a little earlier in it. You'll only affect about two hours of my life, roughly, or until I go to sleep.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-09-19 20:56 [#01340016]
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mdv. he owns an mks-80 jupiter. An all analogue polyphonic rack. And so do I. I think a lot of ab2 was done with an mks. Defintely the pads in sos' Audax Powder. Definetly the bass in the windowlicker video, too.
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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 18:27 [#01342814]
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HAHAHAHAHA I'm an idiot!! really... but sometimes i have my moments ;)
It's not a cs-80 at all it could not be further away! I know now 100% sure what it is. It all makes sense now. Nobody else will ever guess although once you know it's obvious..
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-22 19:30 [#01342892]
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it's a Casiotone MT-540/CT-460
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-09-22 19:34 [#01342897]
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check the 'new aphex release seriously' thread.
it has something about how richard was a trader at some synth website. maybe if you found that it would list some gear he has.
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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 19:56 [#01342915]
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I know the analogue heaven mailing list. and it's not on there it's not on anywhere. He probably also didn't use this synth for his analord stuff, because the synth that gives saw II it's sound is 100% DIGITAL!
hahahahahahahaha really!
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-22 19:58 [#01342917]
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oh my god, i can't listen to it now, NOW YOU'VE FUCKED IT FOR ME
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mdv
from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 20:01 [#01342919]
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there's still lotsa analogue stuff on it as well if that helps...
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-09-22 20:04 [#01342921]
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I bet you gargle with your own cum.
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Rambling Madman
from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-09-22 20:12 [#01342931]
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man.....
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-09-23 00:18 [#01343003]
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How to make a bad SAW2 rip off:
Absynth. Load up some a pad patch. Hold down single black keys. That's it.
:-D
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-09-23 00:31 [#01343006]
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and what if he does?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-09-23 00:52 [#01343011]
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I will have found another person exactly like you.
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forkcircles
from centerville (United States) on 2004-09-28 03:18 [#01346559]
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dx7 what.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-09-28 03:48 [#01346567]
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Chris Sattinger interviewed him and said that the obrehiem matrix 1000 presets were used, too. I would believe a dx7 ,too.
And an akai sampler. I think he did a lot of sequencing on an atari,too. Since there was jack shit for macs. Still is, btw.
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