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sorry i'm not american but i was curious and couldn't resist... Soldiers attack soldiers. that's plain wrong. |
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dont you think though that terrorist is the new "communist", or to call someone a terrorist implies that they are in some way demonized? its like a new McCarthyism for the 00s, i love my country but sometimes we do some f'ed up stuff. very true. it's like a witch hunt. call someone a terrorist and he's everybody's enemy without any form of judgement. gotta be very careful with the use of this word. |
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Great posts, guys! As for mrgy's last post, I have to disagree. While justice is supposed to be blind, judges give their "opinion" all the time. Well, it's not really an opinion.....more of a "the moral of the story is...." sort of thing. Eh, don't know where I'm going with this but I'll stop here :) Qrter, "indeed. a judge should give sentence, not whip out a speech. showcase trial, anyone?" How was this a showcase trial? No one has heard a damn thing about it.... And judges are supposed to "whip out a speech." |
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yann_g, what I meant by "solderis attacking soldiers" is that in the time of war, when two armies are discretely fighting each other....usually under the Geneva convention terms. Where, for the most part, a soldier can die with pride knowing he was fighting for his freedom. I can't say the same about a "terrorist" because I am not one. |
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do you think american soldiers are fighting for their freedom? they're fighting for oil. of course they're not to blame for that (well some are i guess). american oil companies and the government are responsible for the death of innocent americans and iraqis. you all are speaking of freedom but i don't think the american *people* is that free. low access to information, media is controlled by either the government or corporates which usually go hand in hand anyway. the american media is probly the most manipulated media in rich countries. this freedom thing doesn't look any real from an outside point of view, i'm very worried about americans and how the world is going... |
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i knew he was sentenced, but generally people didnt care because it wasnt felt as a threat because the guy was funny not being able to set the thing of and he looked like kramer imo. the judge tried to change this apparantly with his terrorism speech. normally you dont get to know these speeches because the paper just states the sentence. i think such a speech should be more applied to the sentenced and no generalization. i hate the speech altogether. it exemplary for the american arrogance. you'd better try and understand your adversary to come to a solution instead of speaking this empty rethoric. im pretty pissed about it. |
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i agree, with you, but people are in love with their way of life in america, and who wouldnt be for any country where war has not raged for the past 50 years or so, think of the life of an iraqi, war has been in their country for as long as i have been alive, (at least that). i have no idea what someone my age has been through or seen in there life, it is pretty easy for me to say that he hates the fact that i am "free", in actuality he hates that my elected officials have waged war on his country for decades. he has never had a chance to enjoy life. |
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Hmm, the US declared an illegal war on Iraq, which is basically a terrorist act. The US fly on bombing missions under the cover of darkness and blow up civilians (fuck if they say it's accidental or not), oddly sounds like a terrorist act to me. US soldiers ignore the Geneva convention and resort to terrorist style methods of interogation. The US commander in chief on more than one occassion has asked for Gods help in defeating their enemies. America has so much in common with al queda you would have thought they could be best friends (again). |
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why would he hate the fact that you're free? why would he even think you're free? most iraqis worshipped saddam! why would they have wanted something else? this "hate freedom" thing is bullshit, really! it's just a pointless thing created in order to give americans an easy way to think the gov is in the right position, and can legitimely do what they do. it's manipulation, nothing else. |
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agreed w/ ecnadniarb... sadly. the us government is acting in a terrorist way. difference is they have an army for that. scary difference :( |
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it is pretty easy for me to say that he hates the fact that i am "free" i said this meaning, i would never say this because i think it is totally untrue. some americans believe this, i do not. |
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get what u mean... |
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hey guys! i'm 'merican! |
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i like music. |
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oops, </off topic> |
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why doesn't anyone respon to my post? . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'm so lonely |
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yes, but its funny, no? |
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i just don't understand why people hate my freedumb so much. |
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they want my stuff!!! well they is not gonna git it |
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They are JEALOUS! Jealous of your FREEDOM!!! This is why they must never have it themselves! |
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This shoe bomber, 9/11, the school in Russia, these are just recent examples of how people can commit any act as long as it's justified in their minds. It's nothing new. For the entire history of man, people have used the 'By any means necessary' method to defend their ideology. Until the whole world adopts a common standard for human behavior, we're all doomed. |
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Hey dog_belch, I'm from the Bromley area too, perhaps we can get together sometime and set our shoes on fire (by dancing the forbidden dance) |
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Osama's true hope is the implementation of Sharia law in all of the Middle East. He has said America's presence and dealings with their governments has westernized the peninsula and this was his primary complaint. Sadly, oil completely controls the worlds economy. I must agree, though, We are no saints. Our government meddles. We sell arms to waring countries. We goad them on, we bully, but I realize if Osama (or someone like him) controlled all of the middle east's oil supply the world could experience a full on depression. Thus, human folly ensues. Ever thought Europe let's America do their dirty work? Europe's standard of living is practically just as high as America's. That's no accident. It's fully in Europe's capability to be a raping and pillaging continent. Especially the Brits. |
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i agree with this to, the us gets a bad rap (to a certain degree), we might be the bad guy to the rest of the world, but if you live in a nation were war has not been raging in some time, your nation's hands are just as dirty as ours, at some point you have benefitted from the raping of the middle east. well except for france, you guys do your own thing. |
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If the last two posts are indicative of majority US opinion then the future is bleak indeed. |
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the future will be very bleak, yes |
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did anyone care about this thread? please let me know. |
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Jaroen, steps in with his freshmen ignorance. Sorry, mrgypsum and DeadEight, this thread went downhill once the kids arrived. Thanks for the brief, albeit enjoyable conversation we had. |
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yes? |
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Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it? A: Yes Did you know his trial is over? A: Yes Did you know he was sentenced? A:Yes Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio? A:Yes Didn't think so. A: Tosspot By Royal Appointment Everyone should hear what the judge had to say. A: Everyone should ignore what you have to say. |
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This thread is for Americans who refuse to read news, I assume. Stupid Americans you are all the same. |
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Oh no the thread was saved when Peter File and I found out we were neighbours. Thanks everyone for making that possible. |
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see, this kind of argument is totally rediculous. even though lots of times i sortof agree with some of your points, you usually present your ideas in such a way that you should be completely aware that these threads will break down into nonsense. i suspect that you are aware of this, and these threads go just how you plan them to. |
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010101, I hope you don't raise your child to think like that. |
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it sounds like something from some contrived courtroom drama, doesn't it.. he deserves his sentence but jesus christ, way to deliver a wanky courtroom speech... |
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He's 19 months old and he has already worked it out for himself |
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i think one important point that has or ought to have been made... (i think it's been made, but i can't be arsed to check now) is that if Richard Reid was truly a soldier, and not a terrorist he would not be attacking civilians on a plane... that makes no sense and regardless about how you feel about the parties involved, i have no idea how such an act can be condoned... i don't want to have to experience that sort of fear when i fly on a plane and i don't think anybody should have to... as people in a position where we are at ease enough to consider the situation a little more cool-headedly than might others, we ought to at least attempt to understand what motivates a person to do something like this... and i mean really, not just some storybook answer... but that doesn't mean that we have to condone it... of course there are plenty of issues which extend from all of this, and cloud it considerably... for example, who will fight for the rights of people who feel they and their people have been so disenfranchised that they would rather kill themselves if it can better the lives of their people? i'm sure a lot of these terrorists would claim that there is no flag in the world under which they could fight... furthermore, the attention that their cause would gain if they decided instead to, say, attack an american military installation, (which would likely result in minimal damage, and minimal casualties on the American side), would be considerably less than that which they gain in this manner... that said... this is precisely, why Mike should be happy and proud of much of what the judge said, because the judge deflated Reid's status as a terrorist rather than inflating it... he made it clear that such acts do not merit the sort of attention and the concern that they have received in the past... i know this sounds a bit off, but the idea is--and it's my hope that the judge recognizes this--that we must devote more time to listening to those who would be civil, desperate though they may be... |
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...this is something that hasn't really occurred yet... we don't give a shit about protestors or their demands, until they are threatening our lives... which, of course, is absolutely ridiculous when you consider the lengths to which people on the other side have been harmed so that we as Westerners might be extended some trvial convenience... in the grand scheme of things, perhaps a degree of eye for eye was necessary in order to make us more aware of our responsibilities in the world... it's our duty now to be "the bigger man", so to speak, and listen, rather than perpetuate what could become and endless war of attrition on a global scale... i'm not worried about my house being bombed... but i am worried about the value of the life i would lead, should preventative measures be put in place to stifle further threats without any sort of negotiation or discourse... |
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"DING DING DING!" said the gay meter |
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oooooooh shut that door |
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"Stupid Americans you are all the same." That has to be the most ignorant post i have ever read on this confused and sometimes arrogant message board. Good job judging millions of people based on your dimwitted opinion. |
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Oooh! |
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hawtrey > williams |
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+ butterworth > hawtrey |
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What a drama queen that guy is. |
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williams + hawtrey / butterworth ^ james + breslaw = a nice pair |
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Thanks soon, I am quite proud of that. It is just the sort of stupid American comment I was expecting. Remember to in the up coming elections. |
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Lets make a circle around them and maybe they will start punching ... (or kissing) |
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"How was this a showcase trial? No one has heard a damn thing about it.... And judges are supposed to "whip out a speech." if you had not heard about this before, now you do - the way it has come to your attention is what makes it a showcase trial: it became just that immediately at the point when that judge started faffing on about 'freedom', 'hating freedom', etc. he is NOT supposed to make a speech - he is supposed to pass a sentence, not read out a column. like mrgypsum already said, the rest is just that man's opinion - he should not use his position to vent it, it goes directly against the whole idea of a fair and equal justice system. it does instantly turn into cheap rhetoric. |
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