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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 10:04 [#01328509]
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Flash animation
This isn't 'conspiracy theory.' check it and discuss.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-08 10:08 [#01328511]
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there's a conspiracy going on to make more threads about this animation than any other.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-09-08 10:11 [#01328513]
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there's a conspiracy going on to make more threads about this animation than any other.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 10:19 [#01328515]
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people neede 3 years and flash on net to realize that US are liars, almost as big as the russians.
funny.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-08 10:20 [#01328517]
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we're all in for it tomorrow
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-08 10:30 [#01328522]
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OK PLEASE READ THIS KTHX BYE
although, like in the previous pentagon thread, i am still looking forward to finding more "cases" or arguements against this.
I like this sorta stuff, but no one had any more ideas in the last thread I guess, and it just died :/
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-08 10:34 [#01328526]
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What can anyone say but just add more fruitless conjecture? Someone says "Where's the wreckage of the plane?", someone else says "WAHT??? What you know about D77's maxing out at 580 impacting at 10 over 5, do you know what you have left???? " and then it just goes round and round with noone knowing what they're on about. The only people I want to hear from on this matter are
Pentagon officials People who crash planes for a living
Everyone else is irrelevant and just waffling on.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2004-09-08 10:36 [#01328527]
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This is conspiracy theory.
Also, this is terribly old.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 10:40 [#01328530]
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I really don't understand what the motivation is for lying about this.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-08 10:43 [#01328532]
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I really don't understand the motivation for making 1 post and then fucking off w/o wanting to discuss it.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 10:43 [#01328534]
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i'm not sure what the conspiracy is. i mean, they say there was no wreckage, but according to snopes there was.
i don't know about the other security cameras, but i know a few people on other messageboards who claim to've been waiting in traffic that morning and seeing the plane fly over REALLY low.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-08 10:47 [#01328536]
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Dog,
I don't know, there are plenty of storie and I linked some pics yadda yadda yadda I odn't think you haev to dig very far to see what happens to a plane at xxx mph or knots when it hits solid steel and concrete.
You shouldn't need a pentagon "official" to tell you that.
Go ask your local physics professor if internet doesn't supply you with answers you need
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 10:49 [#01328540]
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who are you talking to elusive?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 10:51 [#01328543]
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they pentagon said that there was a wreckage of a BOEING. all facts shows that there was a wreckage, but it wasnt the wrath of fuckin BOEING.
thats not a conspiracy. and excuse me, but because of people who say / think that facts are conpiracy of any kind, we have goverments lyin to us, plus, situations like from a week ago in Osetia.
i dont really know, if this stupid way of thinking came from west ( US ) where people think that they live in best democracy, while thats not a democracy at all, but surely its startin to grow on other countries.
its like waving in front of these people face and screamin "FUCK YOU" and they all are like "i dont think it was offensive, lets wait till officials will get their report on TV"
what people must understand is that any media is easily controlled by goverment, and tho you can hear you are free to speak / think / do whatever you want, and youre well informed about all issues, theres really too many things that are hidden . i assume that people in goverment think that if we would know some thing, the goverments would collapse. which is true.
people are really stupid nowadays, sorry to say this, but its true.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-08 10:54 [#01328544]
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What is the conspiracy anyway, if it wasn't a big plane it was, oooh a smaller plane? They only things worth lying about would be if...
They blew themselves up on purpose
or
It was a special experimental weapon that involved alien technology.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 10:59 [#01328546]
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yeah, theres no way for arguing about this shit, intelligent ones will find the truth no matter what they will hear - thats why they are intelligent.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 11:05 [#01328548]
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The only reason I think that they would lie about this is if it was done in a really elementary way, ie something that could have prevented, like a car bomb or a mortor attack. Where the perimiter of the building was not being guarded properly.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 11:05 [#01328549]
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i see no reason to think that what happend to the pentagon was anything other than boeing flight 77 smashing into it.
just a bunch of people speculating.
hell, it could've been that some fat fucker in an office eating too much mcdonalds spontaneously combusted, but somebody will need to come up with a little more hard evidence than a flash animation to convince me of it.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-09-08 11:28 [#01328556]
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so there wasnt a SINGLE thing in the video that made you question what happened?
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 11:31 [#01328558]
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yeah, i would really like to see some of the videos recorded by the gas stations and other surrounding buildings, or whatever.
i'd LOVE to know all the details.... but, simply not knowing all the details doesn't make me jump to conclusions and think that it obviously wasn't the airplane they said it was.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2004-09-08 11:37 [#01328562]
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Please.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-08 11:56 [#01328582]
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i live in the DC metropolitan area, saw the plane as i was going to work, most people i know saw or heard it, a couple saw it crash, blah blah, this is pointless and yes, it is a conspiracy theory.
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:00 [#01328586]
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the bush/carlysle families benefitted IMMENSELY from 9/11
the last people you should listen to are fucking pentagon officials .. are you kidding me!?!? what??
this is Nero burning rome.. thjis is Hitler burning the Reichstag (sp) having the pentagon hit by a plane about 20 minutes after two had already crashed into the WTC without anyone doing ANYTHING after the first impact is just way too hard to believe. Payne stewart's plane went off course for ten minutes and the FAA was all over it. The pentagon getting hit made people feel VERY insecure.. it is the stronghold of the supreme american armed forces.. and yet it was this vulnerable? I don't buy it. the entire world trade center dissolves but the hijacker's passports are found? huh? really? x amount of saudi's got on board four planes just like that? really? with boxcutters ? nooo way really? Sudan was bombed after offering to arrest bin laden.. bush called the fbi off the trail of al-qaeda months before 9/11 .. fbi agents are now suing the govt for this. willie brown was told not to fly that day. ashcroft stopped flying commercial a month before. it was the lowest attendance in the history of the WTC.. there should have been 10x the amt. of people that were there at the time of the charade.. I mean perfectly executed, needle-threading terror masterwork that catalyzed mindless jingoistic support from idiots like elusive who think the gov't is daddy and our military is a good football team that they're only rooting for because they were spawned within the boundaries of the country that happens to be 'winning' at the moment. a month passed before afghanistan was attacked. they then got the caspian pipeline they were waiting for. the threat of terror somehow is a strong enough spell for millions of americans to believe in an adolescent pawn as a strong, decisive leader despite obvious lack of intellect/curiosity/strength
by the way.. bush is on the strongest antidepressants available in the country and neurontin so his dumbass can finish sentenc
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:00 [#01328588]
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the bush/carlysle families benefitted IMMENSELY from 9/11
the last people you should listen to are fucking pentagon officials .. are you kidding me!?!? what??
this is Nero burning rome.. thjis is Hitler burning the Reichstag (sp) having the pentagon hit by a plane about 20 minutes after two had already crashed into the WTC without anyone doing ANYTHING after the first impact is just way too hard to believe. Payne stewart's plane went off course for ten minutes and the FAA was all over it. The pentagon getting hit made people feel VERY insecure.. it is the stronghold of the supreme american armed forces.. and yet it was this vulnerable? I don't buy it. the entire world trade center dissolves but the hijacker's passports are found? huh? really? x amount of saudi's got on board four planes just like that? really? with boxcutters ? nooo way really? Sudan was bombed after offering to arrest bin laden.. bush called the fbi off the trail of al-qaeda months before 9/11 .. fbi agents are now suing the govt for this. willie brown was told not to fly that day. ashcroft stopped flying commercial a month before. it was the lowest attendance in the history of the WTC.. there should have been 10x the amt. of people that were there at the time of the charade.. I mean perfectly executed, needle-threading terror masterwork that catalyzed mindless jingoistic support from idiots like elusive who think the gov't is daddy and our military is a good football team that they're only rooting for because they were spawned within the boundaries of the country that happens to be 'winning' at the moment.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 12:02 [#01328590]
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oh wait, i guess you're right. that DEFINATELY isn't a conspiracy theory.
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:09 [#01328601]
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a month passed before afghanistan was attacked. they then got the caspian pipeline they were waiting for. the threat of terror somehow is a strong enough spell for millions of americans to believe in an adolescent pawn as a strong, decisive leader despite obvious lack of intellect/curiosity/strength
by the way.. bush is on the strongest antidepressants available in the country and neurontin so his dumbass can finish sentences. why? because he's doing so well and he's so resolute/undeterred and on the ball right? he's definately not a deer-in-the headlights.. he knows exactly what he's doing!!
maybe the gov't didn't actually carry out 9/11, but they certainly ALLOWED it to happen and might've helped a bit (read: a lot)
do you actually think they give so much as a fuck about a few civilians if it means garanteed support, war-craze, billions and billions for the war-profiteer corps that are tight with the entire administration? which, by the way, is basically the reagan-bush administration.. you'd knwo that though if you knew what the fuck you're talking about.
the only people allowed to fly in the US after 9/11 were FUCKING BIN LADENS
how did they know THAT was the family to protect? how did they know so quickly that bin laden was behind it? why did the USAPATRIOT Act come out so soon thereafter wihtout it even being evaluated ?
you're being fucked with and the country is being fucked out of literally hundreds of trillions of dollars. I say fuck the entire bush administration and their families. I can say I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for any of them. and I have no respect for the intellect or the thouroughness of research and the awareness of anyone who is going to be threatened into voting for more bush. "I don't know how they controlled you/ they bought and sold you" it's too bad the public is so fucking dumb and so easily swayed and trusting that the hegemonious persuit of the new american century has supplanted the progress we were making towards catching up
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 12:14 [#01328605]
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I guess you've seen Farenheight 911 then.......
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-08 12:15 [#01328607]
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sums it up nicely.
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:20 [#01328613]
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w/ the rest of the world.
we have a homophobic, woman-fearing, arrogant (despite its ignorance), homeopathically stubborn, now isolated, 1950s, hysterical, manipulative, greedy, recently emasculated, racist/xenophobic, hateful agenda that is being promoted and propagandized throughout the country by the administration and it is POPULAR AS FUCK right now. and think about it, all this in the name of (or at least shielded by) Jesus! (the guy from that mel gibson movie.. ykno the one with the thorns and that... him)
but the real issue we should be on about right now is what john kerry did 30+ years ago in a war daddy's money bought lil' bush out of so he could NOT show up for his scary important alabama service.
bottom line: Osama bin Laden will die many years from now of old age/natural causes. The rest of america will be forced to accept their 'leader' after another attack (for which they won't be able to blame on Clinton this time..) and Washington DC/Bush family are NOT complaining about that at all. They will only continue to benefit more and more at increasing expense to you and the rest of the republic.
check infowars.com the 9/11 section. it's all mainstream news. it's not crackpot bullshit. read up on this there THEN decide. don't doubt it just because you don't want it to be true.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:20 [#01328614]
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its like me and russia issue, look out, i was beeing called racist for that, even fuhrer ( adolf, not the word "further" ). just wait till pro-amreicans get here.
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:21 [#01328615]
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no asshole. that movie skims the surface of infomation that has been out for years. unfortunately, that's the only way/time it'll ever reach the likes of yourself and the many millions of porous/impressionable americans
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:22 [#01328616]
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don't doubt it just because you don't want it to be true. thats the argument which is perfect, but unfortunatelly, its perfect only for those with eyes opened. shame, eh ?
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:23 [#01328617]
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you should have make followup to 010101, now everyone will think that you think that i am an asshole.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-08 12:24 [#01328618]
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hahaha. yeah, because all americans are douchebags that voted for bush. we're all christian right wing homophobes also, no one here reads the newspaper, and it took a fat sensationalist far left wing documentary filmmaker to make us realize that we're all total idiots.
before you jump all over me, i'm democrat, voted for gore, will vote for kerry, and knew about everything you said in that overly long copy paste-athon quite awhile ago.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 12:26 [#01328619]
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Everyone does think you are an asshole ;)
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 12:27 [#01328620]
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Now I've done it too, what an asshole
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 12:28 [#01328622]
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assholes, the lot of you!
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:29 [#01328623]
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its gooo that you forgot about followup, now no one will know who is asshole, bwahahaha
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:29 [#01328624]
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said asswhole
You are posting messages too frequently... Please wait a minute! Relax!
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 12:32 [#01328625]
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just out of curiosity, what do british folk say "arse" instead of "ass"?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-08 12:37 [#01328626]
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..what exactly is your question?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-09-08 12:39 [#01328627]
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you could turn that around. seeing as the british were around first
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theo himself
from +- on 2004-09-08 12:39 [#01328628]
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fucking idiot I'm talking about the administration, first of all. second of all YES. a majority of the country is uninformed and wants to see sum 'fhukkin tawllhead musslimz' blow up .. either for revenge or for protection. yes. that's the only reason why people back bush.. or the majority I should say.. because the VERY rich ..whcih makes up the SMALLEST fraction of the population does benefit greatly from having him in office, no matter how embarassing he is to the country.
so if you agree with me, why are you talking shit to me? no one's going to applaud you for standing up to that theo asshole and making yourself heard,.. I wasnt' even addressing you. I WANT the public to be more informed, obviously.. I'm just outraged at the vastness of the uniformed in this country that will ultimately decide the fate of this country in november.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-09-08 12:42 [#01328629]
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oooooooooooooops, you typed this :
whcih
you must be mad, man, CALM DOWN
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 12:44 [#01328630]
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whatwhy do british folk say "arse" instead of "ass"?
and i mean, because they still call a donkey an ass right? isn't the derogatory term related to that?
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-08 12:48 [#01328632]
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i'm guessing i'm the fucking idiot in question here. i'm not exactly disagreeing with you, but i'm pretty sick of people jumping to conclusions about my or any americans stance simply because of the fact that i'm american. i suppose i jumped to conclusions about your posts.
i've had loads of people on this very board instantly assume i voted for bush or am an ignorant twat simply because i point out a flaw in a rather vehement argument they're making or even, god forbid, defend american interests. sorry i didn't pay full attention to the content of your post, which, for the most part, i'm not questioning.
and yeah, bush will win in november, and this country will burn because of it. realize though that that vast majority of people is located either in the poor south or rural central US and is being mislead to believe that bush is actually concerned about christian interests or fighting terror. both of which are irrelevant as far as i'm concerned anyway.
i'll try to actually not be a "fucking idiot" next time i respond to one of these threads, but i am tired of people informing to "think outside the box" when i say that their conspiracy theory might actually be precisely what it seems like: bullshit.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-09-08 12:51 [#01328636]
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no... not if my understanding that donkey = ass in both cultures, and that the derogatory term ass is derivative from that shared root.
in that case the american term 'asshole' would make sense, whereas 'arsehole' wouldn't.
of course, my entire understanding could (and probably is) flawed... hence my question. however, it wouldn't be the same question if it were reversed.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-09-08 12:51 [#01328637]
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You Americans are all the same!!!
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-08 19:24 [#01329009]
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"i dont really know, if this stupid way of thinking came from
west ( US ) where people think that they live in best democracy, while thats not a democracy at all, but surely its startin to grow on other countries. its like waving in front of these people face and screamin "FUCK YOU" and they all are like "i dont think it was offensive, lets wait till officials will get their report on
TV" "
im sorry,
but you want to takl about OFF FUCKING TOPIC,
......sheesh, man.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-08 19:27 [#01329011]
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Hyk.
No offense, but I trust your judgement on issues outside the ocuntry I live in simply because you have been living through them.
Now you try pushing the same "experience" into a conversation like this?
No, sorry...Not gonna happen here.
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