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Doom3 is actually pretty long. I've been playing it forever and just got outa hell recently. True, a lot of the levels look "the same" when you can hardly see anything :p but man, it's like each level has it's own little "theme". Which is pretty badass if you can experience it how it's supposed to be experienced. Granted we can't all run at 60fps solid cranked with 5.1, but I'm still chuggin' away on my 9800pro 1024x High. The audio, like i've said before, is almost more important than graphics in this game. Same with any "scary movie" ... the suspense buildup, the ambient music ... it plays so well together. |
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qrter, "small bits and pieces get leaked, be it accidental or on purpose, id still says nothing: you get a hype. you can damn well be sure of it that id was very happy with the hype - that's what sells games in the first instance. " True, but I think stayin silent is better than what Valve is doing right now. ID SOFTWARE has stayed silent because they have nothing to talk about. They showed a few demos (E3) on what the upcoming technology was going to be capable of. Simple as that. "This is what we have to work with for our next generation game." You think that the E3 doom3 leak was "positive" for id?! Dood, they were fucking ungodly pissed (we've all read internal memoes, etc.... that was ages ago) but yes it did add some hype. Do they give a shit? Eh, I guess. They've proved themselves and already ahve the community behind them. There is no need for them to go out of their way to "hype up" something like Valve is doing. Oh wait, Valve is just pissing people off with release date attemps. Sigh, I wish they would just STFU until they finished it. Oh well. Let's see Valve: a) got a large chunk of source code stolen b) script leak c) many other little "issues" Not to mention their "$6million dollar ties" with ATI. So basically they are paying Valve to make the game run better on ATI (speculative opinion, of course ;) >>>"But didn't NVIDIA do the same with ID SOFTWARE?!" The answer is NO. John Carmack stated years ago what his new engine would be requirering, the diferent render paths (ARBs, NV30, ETC). Is it NVIDIA's fault that they designed their HARDWARE aruond SOFTWARE / TECHNOLOGY that was going to be coming out in 3 years, and be used HEAVILY for the next 5 after that ?! Umm, no? I call it smart move, since JC is basically one of the (if not, THEE) most influencal person in computer gaming right now. He talks; everyone listens....that is if they can understand what he's saying ;) Now, |
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Now, ATI has had shitty OGL drivers, for how long? And usually NVIDIA has scaled quite well in OGL but fell back on DIRECT X (where ATI usually takes crown). So, remember when the preliminary benchmarks came out, and ATI was kinda int he lead (because of the ARB path vs NV30, where the nv30 couldn't run the same arb path) so you know ATI kinda had it coming, but NVIDIA got off their asses and STOLE IT BACK, and literally DEMOLISHED the benchmarks. Now, Valve software; who knows what's going on over there with that $6million hangin over their heads. Oh, what happened with all the 9800 owners; those who BOUGHT THE ATI CARD because they KNEW it was coming with a free copy of HL2. OH WAIT, IT GOT PUSHED BACK. OWNT BY VALVE. So now these people have cards that clearly won't be "top notch" for HL2, and a large portion of the reason they bought it was because a) free HL2 (valued, $50-55ish) and b) top of line card at time. GO GO GO MARKETING SUPERPOWERS |
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(i haven't played doom3 yet) but blast em games are fun, but i prefer lots of detail in my games. Kinda like Morrowind, which was extremely engrossing. I would like a Morrowind meets Aliens, type of game, that would be great. |
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the sound is amazingly well done. very unnerving. alltogether frightening at times. i've yet to get at all bored with the game so far. i'd give it a solid B+ so far. however, i can definately see how people could thirst for a more interactive plot. and i completely understand the complaints about the pervasive darkness... *I* personally see it as an intergral, and quite unique way to drive home the atmosphere of claustrophobia. and i think it really puts you into the main characters shoes. i love it. id did a facinatingly good job with the doom 3 engine. i can't wait to see what follows. and, that's all i have to say about that. |
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Put it this way. It makes me want to just quit the game and not play it anymore. Not because I don't like it....but because the fucking atmosphere. It's like watching a scary movie and trying to brace yerself for the scary parts. Kinda funny .... man, i'm gettin so close now. :) |
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everyone carrries on about plot for DOOM 3 get the facts - DOOM has never been about plotline. for fucks sake, DOOM is about: 1) Atmosphere 2) Getting to do what most people have wanted to do - be the hero if anyone needs a refresher on the whole "thing" behind the DOOM mythos, just play the games....all of them: Ultimate DOOM DOOM II: Hell On Earth Final DOOM: Evilution Final DOOM: The Plutonia Experiment DOOM 3 |
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i seem to not be able to play doom3, i think because of video card stuff or otherwise i fucked something up. |
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I played Doom 3 for about an hour yesterday. It ran oke with 640 x 480. It has quite an athmosphere. But some how I just didnt like the game, but it had some cool things. Graphically it rocked, the engine will be a great base for future games. |
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I don't understand how slow everything is running for you with your specs. There is seriously a driver conflict or another issue ..... i'm sorry, but no way you shouldn't be able to run 800x600 high settings. |
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call me insane, but I actually want a plotline. this is what can make a game engrossing for me, not beautiful graphics. |
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mostly you can skip those introductions, though. and if they take you 40 minutes it says more about you. |
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i played wolfenstein and spear of destiny but i cant play doom3 apparantly :( |
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most of your arguments are exactly that, subjective opinion. and you ARE an id-fanboy!! how can you deny that!? |
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my system is almost exactly like his, but with a slightly better processor. i can't run on high without some lag when the fighting gets hot and heavy. but, 800 x 600 runs fairly well. --- what's the code for showing FPS during the game?.. not the timedemo, but the actual FPS |
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qrter, re-read my posts then, maybe. If you want to argue graphics or something..... I was only bringing forward the "arguments" many "mis-informed" people have when compairing these two games....and I hope that I killed off a lot of those misconceptions. "call me insane, but I actually want a plotline. this is what can make a game engrossing for me, not beautiful graphics. " That's fine. Each game has a different perspective on what the designer(s) are trying to accomplish, no ??? Would you not agree? |
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"mostly you can skip those introductions, though. and if they take you 40 minutes it says more about you. Unnecessary comment. |
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qrter, "and you ARE an id-fanboy!! how can you deny that!?" You really need to start backing up your little "comments" - seriously. Calling me an id-fanboy? Please.. I will have a copy of HL2 before most people, that is for sho. Please explain to me how I'm an "id-fanboy" I'm DYING to know. Just because I know a little something about the graphics industry? Because they have produced games I like, does this make me a fan-boy? Eh, I guess my brain just tends to think that hey, I've liked all their releases in the past, chances are I will like the next one in the future. But that doesn't take away anything I've said on the state of graphics. |
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Will HL2 "scare" me ? Eh, probably not. Will I enjoy HL2? Eh, probably. As I've stated above, two different games....and it seems like people just CANNOT enjoy both games (even tho HL2 isn't out). OMG THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE WINNER!!!! (that's right, it's called..THE GAMERS!) |
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yes well if you want a plotline then you shouldn't touch any of the DOOM games with a bargepole, because from the very start DOOM has never been about plotline. |
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Yes, I totally don't share Qrter's view on storyline in Doom, or the lack thereof. If there was any more narrative in a game like that, fucking up the pure visceral experience, I'd be upset and bored, and I'd probably have to cringe a few times too. But that's the great thing about not being human, we can all disagree. But sometimes we can't agree to do that! I think I'll like Half Life more than Doom, the AI looks really interesting, and THAT'S the kind of game where I'll welcome a strong storyline. I'm in no hurry for Half Life to be released. I have to get a new computer anyway, and there's already a stack of games 10 feet high to play through in the next few months. Even if the game was set back to 2005, I'd be fine with that. Time to prepare, and time to beat the incoming flood of AAA console games. |
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HL2 = Great for those who want a plot line AND a good shooter with a cracking graphics and physics engine Doom 3 = Great for those who just want a blaster with cracking graphics. Two different types of people but both just as vehement on their choice of game as the other. |
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also, the sound on doom can't be overlooked. it's pretty fucking impressive. |
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I'll give you that. Well with the headphones on it was. I'll pass full judgement after HL2. I can't compare a finished game to an alpha leak..... :P |
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what kind of physics engine is hl2 going to sport? like moving things around realistically? interaction with the environment? realistic water (ooh, i hope so)? ...ripping people's arms off and beating them to death with the thing? |
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It'll use the Havok engine for starters. The physics look fantastic. You can pick a lot of things up and use them as weapons. There's a video somewhere, I think it's the one thqat pf linked before, that shows the manipulator gun using a spanner and throwing it at the headcrab. The water is realistic. In the CS:S there's a video stress test you can go into if you edit the map and put spawn points on. There's some wood there which actually floats on the water when broken. Everything has a weight attached to it etc. I can't really describe it very well but things basically react as they should. Using taht manipulator gun you can wrench a sign off a wall and use it as a shield. There's a video of that too. I've downloaded them from various sourced over the time. |
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I meant link. |
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the video that pf linked was just the character walking through a trainstation, then being taken in for interogation... then it ends. |
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video games are getting to be so cool. |
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Word. |
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i'm gonna get a new videocard one of these days. how loud are the new ones... like the BFG 6800, or whatever? keeping my machine relatively quite is important to me. |
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Videogames are getting so complex it is only taking longer and longer to develop. : / And cost millions and millions more dollars. Which in turn, means you won't see very many games that "break away from the norm" because 1 failed game can take a company under pretty easily. Therefore, management doesn't want designers to go do something "never done before" because they don't know if it will be successful or not. And the gaming industry just doesn't have that kind of tolerance for a company spending that much time, money, and resources, to develop a totally new game only to have it flop. On a different note, Acclaim just went under : / Doom3 on 5.1 is quite an experience. Farcry is the best game out (to this date) to implement physics and environmental interaction into a game. Doom3 lacked quite a bit of envir. inter.... I was displeased at some times ... Although it didn't stop me from pushing some explosive barrels towards a hallway, rolling it in then shooting it when something popped out at me :) hehe ^_^ |
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i wanna go home and kill hell beasts. |
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Did you not think that the physics were over the top in Far Cry? They were fun but... seemed a tad too comical at times. |
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I believe the 6800 is actually quite loud. It's also a beast of a card. It's very good but that comes at a cost. That cost being It takes up two slots in your machine. It needs its own power cable. Not straight from the mains but you get the point. That's if you get the best one of course. |
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i have the nVidia GeForce 6800 GT card in mine, the 256MB version and it's great. ok it does take up some space, and it does require it's own power straight from the PSU, but what do you expect? it's a powerful card :) |
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HELL KNIGHTS are fucking awesome. Jeezous YES! Giginger, every high powered card these days needs an extra power connector because the AGP spec. wasn't designed to allocate that kind of power over the bus. 6800 isn't THAT loud. The design is actually quite inefficient, and some 3rd party coolers are finally coming along to take care of the issue. (for overclocking, of course). I don't feel they were too over the top in Farcry, well I take that back. I kinda do, like pushing over all the tables and shit...that started turning my experience from "real" to "omg wow i can move a table .. WHO GIVES A SHIT" The barrels worked out great (rolling them down a hill and what not, but I do agree with you now that I think about it from yer perspective that they were over the top. Thanks! |
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i'd rather have a machine that doesn't sound like a harrier jet taking off in my bedroom than a top of the line videocard. but, that's just me. |
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Hahah, I was more talking about the body physics. Like shooting someone and they're like practically kicking them in the head :P |
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my pc isn't loud next you'll be buying soundproofing for your room |
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giginger, Doom3 is one of the first (*only) game to really offer per-pixel (opposed to per-polygon) hit detection. Also, with the physics engine woring on the bullets. You can mod the pistol yerself, make the bullets velocity and "weight" a little stronger. Then try shotting a monster with the pistol and watch him get KNOCKED back. Lol it's awesome!!! |
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Pre-Load Part 2 is actually happening right now yo! The game can only be a few weeks away! I'm hoping for a Sept 30th release. Exactly 1 year after the original release date :D |
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Actually, I think it was Sept. 28th :P But yes...i am sick of promised released dates. DNF! |
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is hl2 gonna be more hardware intesive than doom? have minumum system specs been released yet? |
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Actually, I think it was Sept. 28th :P But yes...i am sick of promised released dates. DNF! |
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according to planethalflife.com the game is designed to scale down to lower end machines......they say that it should run on a 700MHz system with graphics card capable of DX6. to be honest i think that information is rather old, but i still think that it would scale down to slower systems. i would guess that if you can run DOOM 3 at good frame rates at high quality and good res, then you should be able to do so with Half-Life 2 |
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Duke Nukem Forever has never had an offical release date, 3D Realms have always said that "it'll be done when it's done". I do agree with you though, it's a fucking joke! DNF has been in development since 1998 (as far as i am aware).....that's like 6 years! |
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will my TI-81 calculator run it? |
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