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this has probably been discussed here before.. but just in case it hasn't: Do you think that using drugs will increase your ability to make great music? I've never done drugs, but I've tried making music while drunk.. it turned out like shit... however, if you consider that most of the big artists probably were on drugs when creating their "classic" tracks that have inspired and influenced music ever since, I can't help but wonder if I would make better music if I used drugs... (btw: even thought I was CERTAIN I would make better music on drugs, I wouldn't do it... I want the music to be made by me!) |
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I always create music, paintings, etc, when I smoke Bud, it makes me creative but the results are worse when I compare them with things I've created sober. |
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"(btw: even thought I was CERTAIN I would make better music on drugs, I wouldn't do it... I want the music to be made by me!)" Hmm you could argue that it the drugs stimulate parts of your brain you wouldn't normally use to make music. Therefore it is still you making the music. I don't know really, when I'm drunk I make shitty music aswell :) I remember reading an interview with RDJ where he said that he makes rubbish music when on drugs. I guess for electronic music where technical accuracy is paramount you need to have a clear mind. More rocky/psycadelic/lyrical stuff I certainly think can be enhanced by drugs though. |
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not that you are best on drugs, just that u think its better while u create it, then u hear it sober and maybe it doesnt sound as well as when stoned. |
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Yeah, it might sound like the honeyed milk from god's own teat when you're making it, but it certainly doesn't later on. I was playing acoustic guitar on mushrooms once... i'd never heard such beautiful music. Then when i had come down a friend told me i'd been playing the same note over and over for nearly an hour. |
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drugs and alchohol r 2 completely different things! alchohol doesnt stimulate anything except yr honesty, which is not a good thing most of the times.. and drugs stimulate everything that is in yr head..thats a known fact, that all the big names in electronic music r doing some drugs.. that doesnt mean that if u r thick as fuck ur gonna be better musician when drugged i respect drugs |
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short term maybe long term it kills yer creativity stone dead |
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Oh God no, not this old arrgument again. |
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I wrote a fascinating little story thing when I think I must have been drunk and stoned because it was just there the next day and I don't really remember writing it, but it was very cool. I think stuff made while under the influence can be very good at times, but it always needs a sober mind to polish it up. |
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there is a famous musician in iceland that was really deep in drugs a few years back. i think he's getting close to 50 years now. he said that when he first tried hashish, cocaine, lsd and other drugs he thought "i'm always gonna be like this, high or stoned". then later on, getting high/stoned became the main objective, not making music. so although it was nice at the beginning, it really didn't help in the long run. i don't think you need drugs to make music unless you've got no ideas and your brain is shit, which might be the case with some. |
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i´m an advocate of controlled drug use, but to be honest i don´t think it improves your craft.. producing a great artifact (a track, or a song, or whatever) takes a lot of discipline and persistence, and this doesn´t seem to be something drugs inspire. on the other hand, sometimes people become claustrophobic, bored and bitter regarding everything related to art.. a profound drug experience can often jolt someone out of that mindset and dissolve a block.. but then we´re back again to the issue of discipline and effort. |
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oh, and i´ve posted it before -- but check out. i think it might be a fake, tho. |
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Hmm they're not different, there are drugs with very similar effects to alchohol - all the depressants. These have drastically different effects to things such as psychadelics or uppers (can't remember the proper name?) |
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Yea ultimately I think drugs can be good for the inpiration and creativity side but not the technical and judgemental side... |
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i dont see how he managed to draw this under the influence of acid just doesn't seem real to me. |
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Marijuana helps eliminate the cheese from my music. |
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you made an interesting point for discussion, happy. i would like to see such an experiment carried out on camera. so i can see for myself how it effects the way he perceives his environment and acts during his work. |
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I once watched some artworks from HR giger under the influence of LSD, I discovered his paintings were made under the influence of LSD; He's the greatest artist I've ever known cause he CAN paint under the influence of LSD for the LSD user, this guy is a genius |
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the other day I listened to lory d "sounds never seen" totally stoned it was incredible |
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next time listen to wevie stonder and you'll be LOL |
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I listened to some world saxophone quartet yesterday when i was smoking... un-be-lieeeeeeeev-able. Listening to music is the best thing about getting stoned for me. |
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listening to music while stoned = bliss making music while stoned = bliss while youre doing it, highly underwhemling afterwords. or at least thats what ive found. |
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"Nobody whose art was influenced by drug encounters has created a sensibility or a language that has been important to the development of culture, or the evolution of mankind." |
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i never take drugs when making tracks it important you know that |
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drugs are an experience, like any other. when you have experienced (or are experiencing) something you can feel inspired to be creative. seeing a part of the world you've never seen before, falling in love, taking drugs, having a near-death experience, having a great weekend with friends, having great sex, losing everyone and everything you care about.. it's all the same really. theyre just experiences. only, with drugs, you are more in control. you chose when you have the experience. in a way, its a soft option because it's more immediate than getting out there and living life in order to be inspired. but if you are too busy experiencing things, you will cease to be creative. whether it be drugs, great sex, depression, love, seeing the world, etc. |
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this is a presumptious, and patently incorrect assertion. there is a not insiginificant number of profoundly important intellectuals and artists who were habitual users of drugs. i don't have a list handy, but freud and baudelaire come to mind. baudelaire is often credited with being the first modernist in art, and was a heavy user of hashish, of which he wrote both an essay and several poems. freud frequently did cocaine, and wrote a treatise in its praise -- freud did precisely what you are claiming is impossible for drug users -- that is, he conceptualized a new "language" -- a new way of talking about being. |
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Drugs make you ugly and stupid like George W. Bush. Be handsome and smart like Bill Clinton and don't inhale. |
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but BOTH of them have sex with ugly women.. in the light of which, you could conclude that drugs have a neutral effect. |
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It seems like every classic creative was an freakin opium user/addict :) Whether or not their work was influenced directly is arguable... |
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Jus found Might be interesting to some |
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hey, this is pretty good: Simple situations may take on a symbolic, historical, religious, or mysterious nature. Life reaches [...] a unity that has no end. Siegal and West (1975) expand on this idea saying that there is an intensification of internal input, the inner self takes on outer qualities. More images are seen than can be processed. Unexpected and unplanned emerging ideas catch the person off guard. this is a fantastic, incredibly accurate (as far as my experience goes) description. |
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I wonder if that's how retarded people feel every day of their lives - blown away and staggered by the simplest ideas and situations. |
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drugs make you really stupid for a while.. that what make them so good. and stupid people think leess and do more withouth doubt.. so it's easier to make stuff. there's emotional and technical. technical can't be acomplished with drugs |
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All the best music I've ever heard, even that which is falsely attributed to be influenced heavily by drugs, has been made by people that were not stoned or tripping (though no doubt they got stoned after completing it). Drugs can make for some interesting music, for sure, some good music. Better, oh fuck no. |
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"however, if you consider that most of the big artists probably were on drugs when creating their "classic" tracks that have inspired and influenced music ever since" ..what? how did you come to that assumption? |
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yes, but did he do that while under the influence? that's what this discussion is about. (on a sidenote, Freud was pretty easy in feeding cocaine to his patients, which turned out rather nasty for a lot of them..) |
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If that's referring to The Beatles and other classic ''drug acts'', no Beatles song has any content whatsoever that was recorded under any type of influence. It's not like they dropped a hit and suddenly had Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, the only thing druggy about that was the stupid in-joke. And I'm sure the same goes for nearly all classic drug addled albums. They would have all existed with or without drugs. |
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ringo mustve been on drugs. no-one can be that bad a drummer normally. |
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the right drugs do, some just make you have a good time and not care what music's on. |
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its just a different experiance. maybe some people work better in this mind set. others dont. |
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if you can make great music, not on drugs, you can make great music while under the influence. your state of mind is independent of your ability to create great music. basically, you either have it or you dont. take the beatles for example, they made great music before and after the influence of drugs. |
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for a beatlemaniac you know very little |
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What exactly am I missing, can you explain? |
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i think its pretty obvious that the beatles used drugs. i dont thing that their music got better for it, but they used them none the less. it might have changed their sound, or changed what they wrote about. going from songs like i want to hold your hand, to lucy in the sky with diamonds, you can see drugs playing an influence. |
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1. he said they didnt RECORD under the influence. everyone knows they used drugs. 2. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds is a COINCIDENCE. Its based on a drawing lennons son made. its documented. |
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i dont think anyone would want to purposely record on drugs, all i am saying is drugs had a role on how they created music. |
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haha! next thing you'll be telling me syd barrett & captain beefheart never took drugs |
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Obviously, but that ''influence'' is blown way out of proportion, though, romanticized. It had just about everything to do with the artists and movements around them, not the substances they were experimenting with. A ''Yellow Submarine'' is a yellow pill, but that's not a drug song. ''She Said She Said'' is about a line John heard a tripping Peter Fonda say, but it's not a drug song, and the music on there is more Byrds than acid. Lucy in the Sky wasn't written or performed under any influence, though it has some nice druggy whimsy in there. It's Lewis Carroll, not lysergic. ''Love to turn you on''... that doesn't make anything a drug song. Everything they came up with on every druggy banned song was totally done perfectly sober. The only ''idea'' I can think of that MIGHT have been a direct result of drugs is the backwards clips. They discovered them during a trip. Then, when clear headed, they put it to good use. John was quoted as saying everything they recorded or came up with while high or tripping was shit, and thrown in the ''dust bin''. Any drug references in their songs is a product of the times, and just window dressing. I guess it's fair to say they might have been a bit inspired by it, but the lyrics and music itself was composed by perfectly clear heads, and the drugs didn't spur them on to any greater heights than they were scaling anyway. It was just funny and counter culture to slip in some stupid drug references here and there. |
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I don't think it had much a role in the actual compositions, but it definitely had a role in the SPIRIT of the music. Which I suppose you could lump in with composition, so I see your point. But crazy stuff like Mr. Kite and Within You Without You, those sounds shouldn't be credited to the influences of chemicals. All those trippy songs aren't very trippy at all, it was just a natural progression. The drugs colored their music, but they didn't alter directions. |
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well they were writing some songs from their experiences while on drugs, and i am not just talking about lyrics. i agree with you about how much people over emphasize the drug influence, but you cannot deny its presence. btw, i dont like their music, but i do love some artists who were influenced by them. |
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