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Albert Camus said the only real philosphical question was the question of suicide. Why continue to live an absurd existence, a life in which the world we are confronted with offers us no meaning? Why do we suffer and voluntarily continue to suffer? Wheras i don't necessarily accept Camus' premise of the absurdity of life wholeheartedly, I do find his attitude relavent to my situation. I suffer and continue to suffer; yet i cannot answer why it is that i do so accept perhaps because it is simply habitual, or i am merely afraid of what death may (or may not) entail. I cannot answer any question with certitude anymore. This is difficult. I am lost in a mysterious and strange existence which confronts me. |
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I was very much in your position not too long ago. My advice to you, meditation and deep thought. |
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i love "the myth of sysiphus"!!! |
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Yeah word, Jazembo is right. Buhdism! But yeah, life sucks, get over it : ) |
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not the myth itself obviously, but the essai talking about suicide and "the absurd"mainly.... |
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What a wanky topic...the meaning of life is simple. Be born, eat, drink, shit, piss, sleep, grow, get older, fuck, make babies, help them grow and then you die. Where's the big mystery? |
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maybe you just have a weak mind and need to take control of it. |
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and so the cycle continues, to what end? |
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well, im into some tough time as well...i can understand people who decide for suicide now...i always thought there's something mentally wrong with them, and a person thinking clearly, wouldn't go that far...i was wrong apperantly... "I suffer and continue to suffer; yet i cannot answer why it is that i do so accept perhaps because it is simply habitual, or i am merely afraid of what death may (or may not) entail. " probably a bit of both...i hope you sort things out... |
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What would david bowie do ? |
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To no end. You do your part to keep the human race in existance and die. To think there is a bigger plan for you as an individual or indeed as the human race is misguided. Sure we have advanced a lot as animals, but with that has came misplaced feelings of superiority and importance. Our life cycle is no different than the other mammels...or development just took a different path at some stage in the past. |
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you don't know this. just as much as you can know it. |
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Am I the only one who is utterly perplexed by myself and the world that surrounds me?? Fuck Buddism if all it offers is confort to those who buy the precepts it sells like so much consumeristic crap. Sure, the meaning of life is simple and obvious to anyone who initially buys into a system in the first place. Life may be utterly devoid of meaning for all I know. I am weak minded and weak fleshed. I am without power. Yes. |
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and even that advance is just a sequence of events - it wasn't planned. |
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I do know this. *FACT* Humans are stupid. We have been on the Earth a fraction of the time dinosaurs were, we are the dominant species in our time. When our time is over another species will take over. |
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i agree on the whole "jet set neo buddhism" lark.... |
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'the meaning of life' is a human concept. just like the concept that we need to brush our teeth twice a day. doesn't that say enough? |
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It's not about self importance. From the point that man became self aware even in the least the whole biological cycle has left a percentage of it's meaning. It was inevitable, it is a fact and we have to deal with it. Humans are not breeding factories and that is one of the things that differenciates them from animals. |
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nietsche rules! once you realise that god is in fact some evil christian bulshit only THEN do you realise the importance of life itself. without a god, life is everyting and anything. i am an "overman" how about you? |
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life is terminal. |
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This is not a philosophical argument to be resolved. This is life - this is NOW. Do I kill myself? Do I continue to perpetuate my misery in spite of no hope of resolution? Do i seek comfort in ready-made religious ideologies despite their internal argumentation and disagreements and petty bullshit? I am CONFRONTED by this issue - it is not an intellectual curiosity. |
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Sure, the meaning of life is simple and obvious to anyone who initially buys into a system in the first place. So what initially bought into system do I belong? You are demonstrating the whole "we are more important than it seems I just don't know in what way"...the same attitude has prevailed for generations and will continue to prevail. |
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Just pull the fucking trigger or whatever you self pitying moron.. |
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kind of like the people that say "I don't believe in god as in a biblical god, but I do believe that there is something there, I have no idea what" etc. etc. |
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I don't believe that I am more superior or important than any object living or non living. I do not follow your line of thinking that there is no purpose other than the procreation of our race either, this in itself must serve some purpose in time. "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded for no apparent reason" :) |
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This is not a philosophical argument to be resolved. then why pose it like it is exactly that. try to feel it, don't just rationalise. |
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in reply to: "Empiricus [#01260599] " yes you probably are, and join the club.... i dont find myself to comfortable talking about such things on here though... ecnadniarb has a point with "procreation" and "survival"... the rest is then "pretty vast and open"...... |
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actually, we could put this as next official poll... |
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Do not follow any religion, throw out what you have been taught, re-learn from scratch and you have a chance at resolve. If you are serious about killing yourself then I suggest you do this NOW. |
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How are you linking humans with the big bang? Whether the big bang occured or not, it bares no relation on the importance of human beings. qrter: About the God thing, it is exactly that...people beleive that if they don't beleive in something more than making babies that they are somehow inferior and stupid. |
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Exscuse me, perhaps I misrepresented my position, let me clarify: I don't know if i know jackshit. You seem to be pretty fucking sure about something. Am I misreading you? Are you really uncertain about EVERYTHING - including your own certainty/uncertainty? Why am I a moron? Because I question you? |
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Does Empiricus is dying in life? |
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someting like that... |
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You are a moron because you are considering suicide when you don't seem to have a valid arguement for considering it other than you are bored with your current existance. Why question my certainty? However in doing so, and typing, you have shown that you are incapable of accepting things at face value...a sad pit fall of modern life. |
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a great one i heard was that we could be a "biological error", using our allotted 100,000 years to destroy ourselves and everything else on the planet. the aliens mocking us as we wipe ourselves out completely.... hahahaha! |
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I was mainly thinking about the "apparent reason" part. You cannot claim your statements to be fact since there is no way you can know, just as I can not know if what I believe is true. All we can do is live life to the full and wait to see what happens at the finish line, I hope we can at least agree on this. All that will differ between your life and mine is what we see as a worthwhile existence right? |
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Why do you feel so threatened? Because I Iquestion you? You have certainty regarding this topic. good for you. Life must be easy knowing all of the shit that i don't. I congragulate you. You knowing stuff for a "Fact" does not, unfortunately, turn my uncertainty and ignorance into certitude or veracity. Oh well. |
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In conclusion, any further debate would be a waste of our time here on Earth. (also I need sleep!) Night all. |
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good night!! |
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If i am a "moron", so be it. I consider suicide on the same level that i consider continued existence. Both are OPTIONS avalible to me (and everyone). I don't understand your second point: please clarify. |
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thing with suicide that stops me is that i'm going to die anyway. takes part of the "fun" away..... |
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Type with all the big words you want, but please don't mistake what I have typed as me being threatened. It is actually the opposite. It is total disgust at your attitute to life. You want meaning in your life? Then help people who want to live but find daily life a struggle. Volunteer for charity work close to home or travel to Africa or somewhere. Just don't mope about all fucking "boohoo nobody understands me and I dont understand the meaning of life, I might as well be dead" It is the pathetic mindset of the over privileged. |
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surely you can find more reasons for continued existence!!?? come on...think of all the good things!! |
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To win or lose an argument: that will make my life happy and fullfilling. I just better win - right? To be the best is to be a conformist. I conform - and iIam the best at the activities that others engage in. Joy. I am the king of argumentation. Or I am nothing. |
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If you have nothing sensible to type then type nonsense. Good one. |
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It is the pathetic mindset of the over privileged. Pathetic maybe to you...but statistically certain. Obviously man has to find or create something anew when one has conquered one's previous problems. You have a really socially limited view on the thing. You use your own aesthetics judge your opinion on the subject. You hate rich boys and say they are mopping around but guess what: I don't think you can compare it to the state of the underpriviledged. It's something completely different and there is no indication it is less painfull. |
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Empiricus, Do you feel you have any responsabilities on this planet? (i am not talking about being a good worker/consumer btw) |
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its said that in the last few seconds before you kill yourself, you're in a state of total mental insanity, everything is in the middle, you're indifferent to everything. Camus' main point was that he couldn't do everything, everything being superfluous, because to be able to do everything, is to be able to do nothing "whats so bad about selfish indifference?" |
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I don't mind being "pathetic". Now ain't that a son of a bitch? It really doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks, now does it? I can mope if i have the ability to do so - now doesn't that just about really piss you off? Good. Are you going to fucking cry for me now? Well cry. Cry you little baby. Mommy is here to make it all better... |
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GOD SOME OF YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING CAN YOU!!!! |
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