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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:04 [#01253163]
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Cigarettes Cut About 10 Years Off Life, 50-Year Study
Shows

By Marc Kaufman

Fifty years after British researchers published the first
study firmly linking cigarette smoking to lung cancer, the
same scientist following the same group of British doctors
has reported the most detailed and long-term results ever of
the health effects of smoking. His stark conclusion: A life
of cigarette smoking will be, on average, 10 years shorter
than a life without it.

While the lethal effects of cigarette smoking have long
been known, the new study, published yesterday in the
British Medical Journal, is the first to quantify the damage
over the lifetime of a generation. The effects, the
researchers reported, were "much larger than had previously
been suspected."

In the 50-year study of a group of almost 35,000 British
doctors, the pioneering epidemiologist Richard Doll, who is
now 91, and his colleagues found that almost half of all
persistent cigarette smokers were killed by their habit, and
a quarter died before age 70.

The study also found, however, that kicking the cigarette
habit had equally dramatic effects. He found, for instance,
that someone who stops smoking by age 30 has the same
average life expectancy as a nonsmoker, and someone who
stops at 50 will lose four, rather than 10, years of life.

"What we now know is that consistent cigarette smoking
doubles mortality rates in both middle age and old age,"
said Richard Peto, Doll's 30-year associate in the ongoing
study. "But we also know that stopping smoking will
significantly limit the harm."

The consequence of the tobacco "epidemic" has been to
undercut great strides in public health that would otherwise
have kept millions more people alive, the researchers said.

"Over the past few decades, prevention and better treatment
of disease have halved nonsmoker death rates in Britain,"
said Doll, lead author on both the 1954 and current tobacco
studies. "But these improvements have been completely
nullified by the r


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-23 16:04 [#01253164]
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what


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:05 [#01253165]
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the rapidly increasing hazards of tobacco for those who
continue to smoke cigarettes."

Doll began studying smoking among British doctors in 1951,
and the research has continued every decade since, with the
final study begun in 2001. At that time, almost 6,000 of the
doctors first studied in 1951 were still alive.

The effects of smoking show up especially starkly after age
60. At 70, the study found, 88 percent of nonsmokers were
still alive, compared with 71 percent of smokers. And at age
80, 65 percent of nonsmokers were alive but only 32 percent
of smokers were.

To look at the data another way, a 70-year-old who never
smoked has a 33 percent probability of living to 90. For a
70-year old smoker, the probability of living 20 more years
is only 7 percent.

The researchers also found that a subset of British
doctors, born around 1920, died of tobacco-related illnesses
at a much higher rate than others -- accounting for almost
two-thirds of all deaths. The researchers report that the
men, who were young soldiers during World War II, smoked
more because they could buy low-cost cigarettes from the
government during the war and became more addicted to
tobacco.

Doll and Peto said that while the harm of smoking is
dramatic, so is the benefit from quitting. According to
their findings, a person who stops smoking at 60 will have a
life expectancy three years longer than someone who
continues; a 40-year-old will have a life expectancy nine
years longer; and a 30-year-old will have a life expectancy
no different from that of a nonsmoker.

Peto said that in 1951, about 77 percent of the doctors in
the study smoked -- a percentage just below the national
average of 80 percent of adults. Today, Peto said, the
United Kingdom has the lowest cigarette smoking rate in the
developed world, about 20 percent of adults. It was unknown,
however, how many of the doctors still smoked.

Yesterday's results were published in the same journal
exactly 50 years after the initial study appeared.

Also


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:05 [#01253166]
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yesterday, the Proceedings of the Natural Academy of
Sciences published a study done at the Boston University
School of Medicine that may explain why some but not all
former smokers remain at high risk for lung cancer. The
researchers found that cigarette smoking changes the pattern
of genes expressed in lung cells, and that the changes
return to normal in some people who stop smoking, but not in
others.

Avrum Spira and colleagues found that 97 bronchial cell
genes were expressed differently in smokers than in people
who had never smoked. Some of those changes increased the
expression of genes that can lead to cancer growth, and
other changes decreased the expression of suppressor genes
that keep cancers at bay.

Former smokers who had stopped at least two years before
the study generally had gene patterns similar to those seen
in nonsmokers, while those who quit more recently had gene
patterns that resembled those of current smokers.



 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-23 16:06 [#01253167]
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Do you think anyone will read / be shocked by this?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-06-23 16:06 [#01253168]
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thoughest.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:06 [#01253170]
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make a long story short... on average, if you stop smoking
before 30, its likely that your life expectancy will be the
same as a non-smoker.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:07 [#01253172]
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no, Im saying that its just good news for people who smoked,
but quit at an early age.


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 16:08 [#01253174]
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good i can start smoking for the next 8 years, since i'm
only 22 :)


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2004-06-23 16:08 [#01253176]
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i don't smoke... :P


 

offline tlink from sofla (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:11 [#01253184]
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i'll never stop smoking

so you made same thread on watmm


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-06-23 16:12 [#01253187]
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IT SAID 35 IN MY NEWSPAPER...MAYBE I'LL NOW SUE THEM FOR
TELLING LIES.


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:14 [#01253190]
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that's so not fair to those who don't smoke in college
thinking they're doing themselves good . . .


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:16 [#01253194]
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so you made the same reply on watmm


 

offline Fuckwagon from Dallas (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:16 [#01253196]
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what's watmm??


 

offline tlink from sofla (United States) on 2004-06-23 16:17 [#01253197]
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yeah, its a different message board. i'm not responsible ...
forgetaboutit



 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2004-06-23 16:18 [#01253201]
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Cool I gave up just in time....

phewweee


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 16:50 [#01253263]
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ha.


 

offline cie jiks mawp from motion to descend (Australia) on 2004-06-23 17:33 [#01253334]
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3 years to kick


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-06-23 17:42 [#01253342]
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what's fuckwagon?


 

offline J Swift from United Kingdom on 2004-06-23 17:42 [#01253343]
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Shit! That's actually not as bad as I thought.

I might just start again and quit when I'm 30..


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-06-23 17:42 [#01253344]
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i'm 28 and i am just starting smoking because it makes me
feel cool.


 

offline J Swift from United Kingdom on 2004-06-23 17:51 [#01253353]
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If I had to get my arse out of bed and work for a living I'd
definetly be smoking!

My distant memories of employment, I think the thought of a
cigarette every 3 hours was what kept me going - All those
weeks..


 

offline darkpromenade from Australia on 2004-06-23 17:57 [#01253365]
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This topic ROCKS! I gave up smoking 2 months ago and I'm
31...... so i get to live 10 years longer than I would have!
(give or take 12 months)............. now, what about
smoking the weed? Any stats on that?


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-06-23 18:00 [#01253370]
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Meh, my grandmother smoked from 14 until her death of lung
cancer at 83. Seems long enough.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-06-23 18:03 [#01253374]
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ive stopped at 25 :) heres hoping it was soon enough!


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-06-23 18:07 [#01253377]
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These "researches" are completely arbitrary. Just statistics
in a disclosed setting without having any scientifically
based axioms.


 

offline fungusman from Monster Island on 2004-06-23 18:10 [#01253381]
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Hippy


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-06-23 19:52 [#01253553]
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I have no idea how I quit. I was so fucking addicted. Loved
it.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 19:53 [#01253556]
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I've never smoked in my life.

so if I start at thirty, will that stop time?


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-06-23 19:58 [#01253563]
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this is old news which seems to have been revamped for the
media controlled governments wishes i suspect. you can have
the last 10 years of my life if you want, that diaper
wearing stuck in a home with nothing to do and no-one to
talk to years. ahh bliss. if you don't smoke i suggest you
start now before its too late and you get run over by a bus.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 20:04 [#01253566]
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..if I get run over by bus it doesn't matter either way.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 20:07 [#01253567]
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that's always a great argument anyway. I'd love to hear what
you say when you lie dying and wheezing on all kinds of
respiratory machines (with noone to talk to)..

"I'm going to die..!! RESULT!!"


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-06-23 20:20 [#01253570]
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It's more probable that you will instantly die from a stroke
or heart arrest. Lung cancer is way below in percentage.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-06-23 20:36 [#01253571]
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if im going to die anyway some pain on my deathbed will be
of little significance


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-06-23 20:41 [#01253572]
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i'm so good lookin'


 

offline Doomed Puppy from on and off and on and off and on 2004-06-23 20:53 [#01253576]
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Wish for a stroke then. No pain if it's massive.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-23 21:23 [#01253584]
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again, I wonder what you'll say when it's actually
happening.


 

offline mimi on 2004-06-23 21:25 [#01253587]
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just to be fair, i think for those of us who don't smoke
should get an extra ten years for quitting, let's say,
fingernail biting, by 30.


 

offline manifestevil from Australia on 2004-06-23 23:55 [#01253688]
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fck that, when they pluck my stinking rotting carcass from a
bloody mess i hope my organs look like pate, and if smokin
gets me a foot in the grave, well theres no place like
home...


 

offline rarndaraki from from from from (United States) on 2004-06-24 00:26 [#01253707]
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this just causes more and more fear
people value human life to much these days
what's living longer going to do for you anyways?
just get on with it.
i don't give a damn if smoking cuts off 10 years of my life
what the fuck man!
jesus christ
i really hate the latest trend with living longer



 

offline rarndaraki from from from from (United States) on 2004-06-24 00:29 [#01253708]
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the less we know about "facts of life"
the better.
get on with it.
i don't see to many people truly
enjoying their long and healthy life.



 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-06-24 00:41 [#01253711]
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what about when its a cold day? and you can see your
breath?

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.
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thats the only smoking i've ever been addicted too... I
guess that means I'm not 'cool' ey?


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2004-06-24 00:45 [#01253712]
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i never smoked and hope that i never will.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2004-06-24 12:16 [#01254592]
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"...the lattest trend at living longer"

hasn't it always be like that: humans trying to live
longer...?

does the word life rings a bell for you?


 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2004-06-24 12:31 [#01254623]
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You know that was my plan to stop smoking by 30 ....
w00t!!!

well I've layed off on smoking both ciggarettes, the
boyfriend isnt fond of the smoking...so whatever im slowing
down :D


 

offline Amnesiac from ERIE (United States) on 2004-06-24 12:43 [#01254633]
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i smoke very inconsitantly and i have for about 2 years (i'm
18). I've VERY rarely smoked more than a pack in a week and
gone many weeks without smoking at all. I quit for about
four months but now I've been smoking at least a pack or two
a week.

blah blah blah. I think I'll be o.k. if I quit before too
long.


 

offline b0nk from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2004-06-24 16:14 [#01254817]
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zeus: have you been succesful with quitting yet?


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-06-24 16:48 [#01254863]
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a long range of thinking which dismisses western religion.
and so say all of us. persistently we have had the case of a
challenge between the science of 'having' to live longer and
the fact that we all die at some point. at some crossroads
we need to understand that the two points of view are
mutually exlusive and cannot be resolved. it is up to us ans
a mass of individuals to come to some common consensus and
understand that a scientific and artistic view do not and
ever will not intervene with each other. 2 points of view,
both are valid, and both contradict each other absolutely.

doomed puppy, where are you? ;)


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-06-24 17:09 [#01254909]
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Bah, i like smoking too much to quit. Cigarettes after beer,
food or sex... mmmm.


 


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