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are they both after the same kind of thing, or are they actually the same people? discuss... |
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they are after the same thing but they're coming from completely different perspectives |
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they are nothing like each other. Kevin Shields is a sonic visionary whereas BoC are derivative boring shit. |
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agreed with morge, they have a similar amorphous wall-of-noise approach. and i bet bill hicks has never heard most BoC stuff, and i bet he loves drill'n'bass and other angsty teenager dylan klebold music, and i'd bet he has by far the smallest penis on this messageboard. come on bill, show me what you've got! :-) |
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*yawn* it'd be like swatting a fucking fly. |
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Haha. |
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bill you couldn't swat a fly with that tiny little thing. |
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ANGST! FROM BIULL! |
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lol bet he's a snares fan, eh? MAKE THEIR EARS BLEED DUDE! THEY CANNOT HANDLE THE MIGHT OF TEH GABBER BASSDRUMS!! lolololol Sorry I just know a lot of people like they and they just remind me too much of nerds trying to be metal heads for me to take them seriously. |
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I honestly don't think they're anything like each other, in sound, outlook, aims, anyhting. BOC's key sound is nostalgic, childlike, filmic. MBV is a combination of primal rock, blissful static, disolution of self. I think both groups are good, but in no way similar. |
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core > so, according to you: not liking b.o.c. obligatorily means you haven't listened to most of their stuff? so, everyone having listened to most b.o.c. must obligatorily like them? (of course, i guess if you have to eat dust all the time during years and years with nothing else to eat, you get used to the taste...) not listening to b.o.c. makes you have a small penis? (this has got to be the most stupid thing i've ever heard on this messageboard -_-) everyone who dislikes b.o.c. listens to teenage angst music? (no comment) drill'n'bass is teenage angst music? (no comment) saying things like that makes you (and b.o.c. fans in general?) look as pathetic as a typical angsty teenage goth praising marilyn manson as the new messiah and typing random hateful stupid anti-christian stuff. and even more pretentious. and before you go like "hahaha, uzim has got a small penis!!! :-D", i don't hate b.o.c., it's people overpraising something (and talking bullshit to defend their point even if it's totally ridiculous and doesn't make any sense) that are getting on my nerves, and it seems like you're the worst kind of them: those who think anyone should love and praise them, and despise all who don't. (and who will never try to consider another point of view than their own) i hope for you i'm wrong. now you'll probably think (but do you even think at all? i wonder, seeing how you can post bullshit like a possible b.o.c./penis size relation...) you're right because you're older, therefore wiser (of course), and i'm probably just a dumb angsty teenager because i don't think b.o.c. are the new messiahs. i don't even care. i did listen to you when you said something about b.o.c. once, that i needed to listen to them in another way than seeking for pure emotions, and it did help me to like them a little more. but here, you're losing all credibility... : / |
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this said, i conceed bill_hicks either wasn't very nice nor constructive saying b.o.c. was "derivative boring shit" - but at least it was just his opinion. |
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oooh, someone touched a nerve. |
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I see the connection, and understand it, but I don't hear it. Two distinctly different moods govern when I listen to BOC or MBV. |
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As i said yesterday, i think the influence on boc was in particular the way the my bloody valentines album loveless was mixed. I would also like to know how boc are derivative, who do they sound like in particular? |
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dog_belch > yeah... now that i read it (core's post) again i don't know what irritated me so much, it's just dumb... bah, i guess i'm too impulsive ^^ but still, i wish those two (bill_hicks and core) would consider (not necesssarily adopt, but at least consider!) another point of view than their own. they just look like two kids fighting. : ) back to the topic, i think i can see why some people find the moods carried by both bands to be similar and i can see why some people find them totally different - i guess it depends on your own sensibility... and on the mood you're in... to me both are sweet and can sound a little alike at first sight, but the more i look into it further, the more i think they're different. Boards of Canada are more like, well, "a beautiful place out in the country" like they say themselves - beautiful places reminding of childhood, sunny yet sometimes puzzling - never sure whether it's naive or carrying a real meaning/message , maybe irony, if it's all sun, nostalgia, fun and child games or if there is indeed something beneath...some will say that of course there is something beneath, but imo if you really want to see something in the music, you start seeing it no matter if it's really here or not... i'm not saying there is nothing under, but anyway that's not the point here: whether there is or not, they're definitely on earth (that's probably why i can't be a b.o.c. fan ^^) whereas My Bloody Valentine is not an "intellectual" band, and sounds (at least to me) totally tripped out / out of this world... it can sound "puzzling" too but not for the same reasons... i think My Bloody Valentine are much closer to Cocteau Twins, or Pluramon's album with Julee Cruise ("Dreams Top Rock") than Boards of Canada... |
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i agree with Uzim.i find it hard to see much of a link between Boards and MBV after repeated listening.i think Boards are closer sonically to Seefeel (who i imagine must have been a BIG influence on Boards).MBV's sound is claustrophic and dirty,compared to the unfeasably pristine sonics of Mark Clifford/Seefeel and Boards sits closer to Seefeel in this respect. well,just an opinion. |
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first i got Soon in my head, then i got Roygbivcore in my head... and i've come to the conclusion that they are not the same... they are both manifestations of a certain sensibility (a fascination with texture... drone elements being recomined with pop forms, etc.), but such a sensibility has birthed countless important bands and it doesn't really bear mentioning... rather than listing off all the bands that bear a closer resemblance to these bands (which would be very simple, and could take forever, because respectively they have influenced so much)... MBV is so murky i don't think there is any distinguishing anything from anything else... it's just a massive tidal wave that may not be homogeneous, but it certainly behaves as such... BoC has much more distinct forms that emerge... it's more like soft fuzzy fat colours bouncing about in a twilight haze... (i like the way it sounds like i'm so authoritative, and then i trail off about bouncing colours... :P) |
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I think that you do have a point there and i have noticed that sonically there isn't much of a similarity between boards and mbv. The only point of similarity that i can see is that which i have stated a couple of times and i feel that it should be noticed. They both have acheived what they set out to do which is make you listen harder and to question your listening experience as to what you are hearing. Both make me think which is good on all levels really. |
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Likewise. It has something to do with little elements being buried deep in the mix and the whole ethereal/detuned sounding thing they both have in places. But it's not something that's immediately apparent when you listen to them. |
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I have been saying that not only in this thread but in other ones and it is weird how no-one listens. |
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BOC feels more distinct and discrete to me, like a really good movie. It may be affecting you tremendously, but it's all there up on the screen. MBV feels like my speakers are leaking pink gas into my car, and like there are strobe lights going off in my brain. |
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there are some big parallels between geogaddi and loveless that i picked up on, like the vocals that are mixed so low you can't really make them out, very loop-based, loveless has lots of little interludes that last about a minute which is BoC's signature almost. If you look around for interviews and stuff you will find that BoC was very influenced by MBV and were actually going to be a similar type of band even at one point? there's one song that was kinda heading towards shoegaze direction by BoC, but it wasn't released.. i've only heard a sample of it that lasts a minute, i can't remember the name. |
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THANKYOU!!! At last somebody who can see what i mean! |
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I think Seefeel - Polyfusia is a lot lot more like Loveless than BoC. In fact, I'd say it's the electronica equivalent. |
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hua, i agree with bill hicks!! |
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core is my new hero! |
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SHUT UP AND LISTEN TO WHAT I AM SAYING! |
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'tiptoe down to the lonely places' 'little girls in their party dresses' i can see some similarity with boc, not very much tho. but loaderror's remark makes a lot of sense, its getting clearer now |
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I AM PLAYING THAT RIGHT NOW TO CHECK |
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i love how the vocals in plainsong can be anything you want 'real thin air' 'walking here' 'im over there' 'i walk thin air' does anyone know the actual meaning? |
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My Bloody Valentine > Boards Of Canada |
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To me it's always been: The one thing... Watching/approaching |
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Did you like the Quique version of Plainsong (you said you wanted drones....:P) |
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i find my funny valentine more "pristine" than boards of canada. no, seriously... i really do, it's not just because i like my funny valentine much more than boards of canada: how can a thing be really "pristine" when people see irony in it, when it has satanic and obscure references, when it pretends geek stuff like 'music is math'... and even the sound of it, there is just something... numb, plastic, a bit heavy etc. around all the childhood beautiful place in the country &tc. it's pastel-coloured music if you want, but i wouldn't call it pristine. |
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pretty great, you were right about the bass thing Hahahahahahahahahha funny valentine? pristine? |
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Good boy ;) |
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Listening to it again I'm thinking it could also be I'm up there (x2) Watching (x2) Stuff like this does fascinate me |
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KainiIndustries said what was in my mind. np: MBV - Loomer That detuned sound is sooo similar. |
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boc > you |
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