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fact of the matter is that they are selling a machine that they claim is super-sturdy and rock solid in terms of stability. well, i haven't even knocked the display, and it's making a worrying clicking noise, and i've had lots of kernel panics. as far as i'm concerned that's false advertising |
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oscillik > yes i almost always use headphones... i constantly plug them out of the computer to the cd player, out of the cd player to the computer, etc... but still this sound a little weird because it used to not do this at all, and even if i change the volume with the headphones on all the time without de-plugging them or plugging them it does this volume change..., well i don't know! pantalaimon > i'll surely use Safari when i'll reformat and install 10.3!! =) now.. mozilla? i don't remember if i tried it... i'll give it a try, thanks |
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Macs are good ,Pc's are good ,life is good, its all good. :) Dont worry yourself over it ,these things can be sorted . I stll love my mac and i would still recomend them even though i know about your problems and the fact that my mate bought a 1.25 17" imac and the screen would not power up . lets face it ,shit happens and the power book (when working) is super sexy ;) |
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man this is like marlowe giving up caffine! THE WORLD IS WRONG! |
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IT'S ALL GONE TITS-UP, MAN!! |
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1) Oscillik you are being immature to expect that every PowerBook out of the factory will be completely fault free. What sort of world do you live in? Kernal Panics can be caused by a number of things including 3rd party drivers. 2) Bad sectors can sometimes be fixed, however when they develop it is usually due to physical damage to the platter and in these cases they can't be fixed. 3) The PC nonsense is annoying...Windows XP is solid as a rock, sure the odd application will cause a problem (more often than not due to the bad coding of the software developers and not XP's fault), but so far I have not had a complete crash which has involved a reboot. 4) Atari were good in their time, but no longer. 5) Everyone who posted before me is gay. |
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Oh and the 4x writing thing is probably normal...the speed rating on drives refers the the burst speed...which means it would be capable of a burst rate of 4x on media optimised for the drive (sort of like manufacturer MPG figures on cars)...normal operating speed is often less than the value stated although <2x does sound as though it may be a little slow. |
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I'm not gay! |
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why are you protesting at being called one then? seems like you are trying to hide something...LIKE HAVING GAY. |
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..having gay? |
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yes. I redesignated it as a disease that can be caught be accidently feeling another mans bum or crotch area. |
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4) The BSOD doesn't exist in XP. i got the bsod several times in xp, then when i tried to reboot it said the os wasn't found. it was a hardware issue though, the cable to the hard drive was loose i think. |
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That's somethiung different to the normal BSOD! We're talking Mid work Blue Screen action here :D Well I was anyway :P |
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I´m using computers since the Comodore 64. All i can say to you: MOST PROMBLEMS ON COMPUTERS ARE BASED ON THEIR USERS!!! |
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That can still happen. It is just a lot rarer than it used to be due to more efficient memory management in XP and 2k. But the BSOD is till very present in XP. |
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Well I'll be. I was really under the impression they'd vanished it. I'm impressed I've not got it yet then :D! |
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I really did get the BSOD mid-work. It was after the BSOD that it wouldn't boot correctly. Just thought I'd better clear this up. :p Also, the BSOD did not have the "Fixedsys" font of, say, Windows 98. It looked like "Arial" of "Verdana" maybe at a very small screen resolution. (Sorry for bumping this topic.) |
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I thought I'd never see the day oscillik makes a thread with the title "Mac = Shit" hehe Macs are pretty solid but I'd only have one as a 2nd computer to a PC though. I don't understand all the XP bashing, I've had it going since 2001 and i've had no real dramas. All I've done is taken all the smooth edges/colour crap away. How in gods name are you going to make an Atari a practical computer?? Do you mean an Atari ST ??? I personally think you should go back to a PC with win 2000 or XP. theres just a tad more tech support going for PCs these days. and fuck they're DIRT CHEAP! |
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Perhaps a Linux system is in order |
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well to be honest, I never thought I'd see that day either, but I've it's happened. These past two weeks have been very bad for me also, so all of this coming to the fore at this point wasn't really the best time anyways. As I've mentioned before, this thread isn't about PC bashing, so i'm not gonna get into that aspect. Right now, as far as I'm concerned they're both as bad as each other. Yes, it would be an Atari ST system, or if i could get my hands on one an Atari Falcon |
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Always had PC's, never ever had an anti-virus program. The best protection against viruses is not being a dumbass. |
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I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but here's my two cents: The Mac has one great intrinsic flaw, you are relying on one single h/w (and to a degree, OS s/w) provider. There are a number of reasons this is so serious and it's almost akin to state capitalism for the people who use them: With a PC, there is a far greater choice of O/S. I know there are others aside from the "OSx series" on Macs, but almost everyone uses that. If Mac were highly unethical (they've not done this yet, to my knowledge, aside from perhaps the iPod battery fiasco) they could charge through the nose for parts/repairs on any single failing component, knowing full well that you can't say, sod it, I'll buy "Manufacturer X's one" instead. If the Mac company go under (unlikely, I know), you're scuppered. With PCs there are literally thousands of companies who make components. If your provider of HDs goes bust, no problem- buy you're next one from a different company. |
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apple will honour your warranty. you'll need to be patient. yes, sometimes they ship fucked machines. i work upstairs from an apple place so i know all about it. it's dissapointing, but it's also dissapointing it's caused you to lose faith in apple. they're only human. i think you'll find worse from most, if not, all brand name pc manafacturers. |
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btw, this is like turning into a geek forum. not that it bothers me, but hey :) |
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btw, apple support linux heavily. for example, right now, i'm producing a linux conference dvd, on apple loaned gear (raid xserve's rule), for a open source conference that apple sponsored. they're not capitalistic at all. |
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ahem, sorry, they're not *as* capitalistic as most the other large corporations out there. what the fuck was i thinking. you know what i mean. |
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the reason i kicked off so vehemently about this is because 1) i paid a lot for an expensive, top of the line machine, only to find pretty big flaws in it 2) it happened at a pretty stressful and bad time in my life - the past two weeks have been hell for me, so this was kinda like the diarrhea-icing on the shit-cake granted, some may think i'm being a bit too serious about this, but the point is that Apple supposedly pride themselves on the basis that they have machines that work, that are sturdy in terms of construction, stable in terms of reliability and such. |
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yeah, dude, i have the first series 15" albook. it took me 4 months to get it (huge fucking backorder) and it had faults, lcd with whitespots and the lid wouldn't stay down and it wouldn't take expansion memory. trust me, i know all about it; i've been through your pain. be patient. the apple place (note, they're NOT apple, just resellers, so they can be pains) may be able to lend you a loan machine while you wait for apple to replace the machine; the decent places do that. if they don't, scream and yell and stuff, that usually works too. |
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damn, that's shitty :( yeah, i remember that there were problems with people having to wait ages for their machines to be delivered because the demand was so high. i hope that your machine got sorted out :) i bought mine direct from Apple themselves, so i'll have to deal with them directly over this. I finally got through to the tech support about 30 mins ago, they said that they can't arrange to collect the machine until after Monday...I'll have to see if my sister can stay home one day, or get them to collect from my workplace. |
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yeah, i'm using it right now. great machine; prefer it over my desktops (debian) immensly. ah. ok, apple tend to be easier to deal with when you order it direct, but you won't get a laptop while they sort their stuff out. they can take ages doing warranty returns; they're not as bad as some suppliers though that can take 6-12 months :( stress that you really can't part for it for long though. i know losing your laptop for a while after first getting it sucks, but they're one of the better vendors to deal with in terms of actually giving a shit. |
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my mate raves over Debian.....i was thinking about installing it on here as a dual boot OS X and Debian system.....or i might try and get linux going on Virtual PC...tried installing SuSE but it seemed to take forever, so i cancelled. Yeah, it's gonna kill me not having a machine to use because I do everything with this machine. I listen to all my music on here. I make all my music on here, I watch DVD's on here, I play games on here, I talk to me girlfriend on here (to cut down on mobile phone bills), I use my computer to come on here. i already had to go a whole week without a machine when I had to take the iBook in for replacement keyboard - i barely survived. |
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LOL you gonna die LOL |
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heh, anything will take forever in virtual pc. it's s-l-o-w. linux runs pretty nicely on ppc architecture, but i'd prefer to run it on cheaper, better supported x86 hardware. you won't get airport extreme working under linux, either (retarded chipset). get yourself a cheap pc as a backup, install debian on that; use something like xfce instead of gnome or kde and you'll find it'll be a pretty usable machine. one of my machines here is a old toshiba laptop, pentium 133 with 64mb ram and 2gig hard drive. runs debian pretty nicely with xfce, firefox (browser), gaim (icq/irc/msn, don't use it myself anymore though), evolution (mail), etc. |
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State Capitalism (which is what I likened the Mac situation to) isn't capitalistic in the sense most people in western countries think of when they hear the word. I compared it to a situation where everything is nationalised. One make/model car, one make/model milk carton, etc. The weakness is that if that one product has a flaw, you're scuppered because there are no others you can change to. And, regardless of the fact there are linux distros for macs, there are still far fewer OSes available on Macs than PCs! |
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xf i was thinking about making up a mini-itx machine, and controlling it via Remote Desktop on my Mac. I could install linux on it and use ssh or something to control it :) Ceri CJ I think the main reason why there aren't as many OS's for Macintosh systems as there are for PCs is because PCs are cheaper and easier to get hold of. |
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remote desktop's only going to work with windows (the protocol is bloody fast, though). but indeed, good idea; i do the same. ceri: that's because x86 stuff is far more common. amiga are about to (or have) released os 4, which runs on ppc with g4 chips and such. don't know if it installs on apple hardware, but believe me, apple aren't as capitalistic as most people think they are. they market simple solutions, as that's what they're well known for. |
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yeh i know it only works with Windows....i tested it out at my girlfriends house, very nifty :) can't seem to get it to work over the net though :( as for Amiga's OS 4, i should think it'd run on Apple hardware. If it will run on PowerPC G4 chips, then it should run on the Apple machines :) |
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I disagree, I think Apple are a great deal more capitalist than people give them credit for. They play up the caring, sharing, side to appeal (and hence make sales) to people who balk at Microsofts' hand over fist money making. Lets be honest, a company would have to be fairly business-oriented in order to hold their ground against the dominating force that is Microsoft. NB: I own a Mac and a PC. |
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supposedly; i'd expect it would. remember there's much more to an architecture than the processor, though. you try installing windows xp onto an xbox :-) |
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steve jobs regulary lunches with well known open source figures. i'm not saying they're perfect and they care about every single person, but i'm convinced they're better than most the other companies out there wanting to dominate microsoft. given, they've done some pretty wierd things; the pricing on a bloody powerbook/ibook power adapter is ~AU$250 or something insane, and the whole ipod saga of replacing batteries; quite a few examples. they're doing a hell of a lot better than other companies in their position, though - many show they don't give a shit at all. |
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Buy an AmigaOne! I'm considering getting one |
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Troll. |
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ecnadniarb > troll =P |
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Mac design makes me crazy. I'm a graphic deisgner and anything that has thought put into it makes me interested. Form and function. One of the oldest design problems has been solved by apple. They are professionals. They make software and hardware which make my life easier. That is all I ask and all I want. |
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not only does Apple make shit portables at the moment, but their customer service is wank-guzzling also. I arranged for a Return Collection box to be delivered at my workplace. I called them last Tuesday. A whole week ago. They said it'd take 48 hours to get to my place of work. It's now the following Tuesday and no sign of the box. What's more is that I've called them twice about this. Once at 2pm yesterday, while in work where I was kept on hold for 20mins before being asked to hold even longer because the Customer Services dept were busy. My employer would find it unacceptable that I had even been on the phone for 5 mins, let alone 20! I had to hang up. Then I call today after work, and they told me that the Customer Services dept closes at 5pm. I am furious. |
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I use a Mac and will continue to do so for as far as I can see, I just like being able to get "under the hood" of my system and PCs aren't good for this, but I'm never gonna buy a new one ever again. Mac's after sales support often consisits of "buy a new computer", this was their soloution to a problem I was having with a (removable) CDrom drive, cheers Mac. I'm just gonna buy cheap second hand Macs from now on, brand new computers are a total waste of money anyway. |
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I have been a Mac user for 10years+ and I must agree Macs are indeed shit. My next machine will be a PC. If they were priced competitivly I would have a tough choice but I get twice the computer for half the price with a PC. |
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