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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:18 [#01214490]
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no, maybe you should read what i said

it was clear, and concise and to the point

most importantly it got across exactly what i meant


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:20 [#01214492]
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oscillik.. you must be in the middle of some kind of
academic computing (or more likely IT) course because you
seem to have allowed the condescending, over-explanative
style of writing that they encourge to spill over into
normal discussions. Try to make them like this instead:


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offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:21 [#01214493]
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If you meant it in the context of what you appear to be
inferring then it was a purile childish statement to make
because the same comment can be said of every person in the
world...everyone knows something that someone else of their
choosing doesn't know.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:23 [#01214494]
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puerile


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:24 [#01214495]
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I would also like to point out, as you like to think of
yourself as technically minded. that the result of the
question you asked me would change the normal expected
behaviour of a core component of the operating system
interface, which is completely frowned upon by any self
respecting developer.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:24 [#01214496]
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i am not currently taking an educational course which
contains the teachings required to make a student capable
with terms related to academic computing (or the more
likely, IT).

i am however a ball of meat swimming in gravy, enclosed in a
foil tin with a cardboard lid


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offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:25 [#01214497]
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OMG A TYPO. SHOoT ME.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214498]
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well actually no it wouldn't, you see because it doesn't
change any "core component of the operating system
interface" at all.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214499]
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am not currently taking an educational course which
contains the teachings required to make a student capable
with terms related to academic computing


:)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:26 [#01214500]
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i understood what you meant

i'm sure that being a gene-ass like yourself, people would
forgive you one spelling mistake


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-05-29 20:28 [#01214501]
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Q) Why did version 10.3.4 of the operating system cross the
road?

A) I don't know. Fuck off.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214502]
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thank you :)

you're highlighting the importance of Mac OS X to this
thread

it has nothing to do with the subject title of the thread,
which still, no-one has answered

:(

oh well

i guess i'll have to make do with explorer.exe


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214503]
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Can't you just use netscape or something?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:29 [#01214504]
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I said it changes the expected behaviour. If a user was to
sit down at a machine you were working on to find that the
icon wasn't showing in the dock would they, or would they
not, be potentially confused?


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:32 [#01214505]
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You have to ask why the fuck are you looking for shell
replacements for windows running on a virtual machine on a
mac? WHY?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:32 [#01214506]
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do you mean someone who is accustomed to using Mac OS X, or
a Windows user?

because some say that a Windows user would be "potentially
confused" just using the machine normally, wouldn't you
say?

and if it was a user accustomed to Mac OS X then they would
know that some programs that you can get for Mac OS X do NOT
show up in the dock, because they have this "tweak" enabled
by default


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:33 [#01214507]
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because LiteStep.exe back in 1998 used to be faster than
explorer.exe, and i wanna squeeze as much speed out of the
Virtual PC as possible for running things like floops


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:34 [#01214509]
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But surely they would be expecting...hmm, let's say System
Monitor to be showing in the dock?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:34 [#01214510]
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since LiteStep has since gone shit slow, i was hoping that
there would be shells out there that gave the equivalent (or
better) performance of LiteStep "back in the day"


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:35 [#01214511]
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Run windows 2000 instead?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:36 [#01214512]
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by "System Monitor" i am assuming that you are referring to
Activity Monitor.app

yes, the average user would be expecting that application to
be situated in the dock, displaying CPU usage as a bar
graph.

but there are other uses for making an application not
visible in the dock


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214513]
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I think you have to download the main access files and hack
the null interface node.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214514]
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Yeah, just get a PC.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:37 [#01214515]
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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:38 [#01214516]
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i am thinking about making a mini-itx machine, and using
Remote Desktop to control it via my Mac


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:38 [#01214517]
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Hang on. What's the problem now?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:39 [#01214518]
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by "System Monitor" i am assuming that you are referring
to Activity Monitor.app


Jesus, you are a prick. I bet you were bullied at school.
I was using your very own example in the terms you phrased
it earlier in the thread...to save you looking

1) because you may have an application that you don't wan
to appear in the dock, such as a system monitor that sits on
your desktop, that you don't want taking up spacein the
dock


Why do you insist on trying to type and phrase things like
you are the world greatest intellectual?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:40 [#01214520]
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i am running Windows 2000

but like i said, i wanna squeeze as much out of the system
as possible.

i'm the kind of guy who will sit there for five minutes
scraping every last bit out of the bottom of the yoghurt
tub. i will lick the inside of a chocolate wrapper to make
sure i haven't missed any chocolate. i will eat every last
crumb off the plate when i have some cake.



 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-05-29 20:40 [#01214521]
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Burn your evil glowing box and go outside.


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-05-29 20:41 [#01214522]
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Seriously, how did this thread get so big?

OMG WTF LOL


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:42 [#01214523]
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So replacement shells for explorer.exe exist?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:45 [#01214524]
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please note:

i said a system monitor, not System
Monitor
. the former refers to any system monitor
application available for Mac OS X, the latter referring to
a specific application called System Monitor.

why do i insist on trying to type like i'm the world's
greatest intelectual?

because it pisses you off.

why do you insist on totally changing the subject matter of
a perfectly innocent, and non Mac related subject into a Mac
bashing thread?

i didn't ask for your opinion on why i should get a pc
instead of using Virtual PC on my mac, i asked for shell
replacements for Windows XP


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 20:45 [#01214525]
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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:46 [#01214526]
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yep they do.

i only know of two though:

LiteStep (which is apparently quite shit now, but used to be
the proverbial bomb)

and

BlackBox (but i don't know anything about this one, i've
just heard of it)


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:50 [#01214529]
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You get sadder by the minute. I could have answered your
original question at any time, I just wanted to see how shit
would pan out in the thread.

i said a system monitor, not System
Monitor. the former refers to any system monitor
application available for Mac OS X, the latter referring to

a specific application called System Monitor.


haha fucking classic. Grasping at semantics is a wonderful
thing to observe.

Oh and you type like a wannabe intellectual all the time,
not just in topics I am involved with.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:50 [#01214530]
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hahaha :D!


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:52 [#01214531]
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Oh and just to answer your original question take a look at
Core and SharpE.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:54 [#01214532]
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no actually, you are the one who is sad.

you actually make a point of seeing how far you can spread
shit in a thread?

don't you have anything better to do than ruin a perfectly
reasonable request for help from fellow computer users?

i have no doubt that you would have been able to tell me the
best shell replacement that you have ever used...hell, you
probably could code your own and it'd be the bomb.

but no. you couldn't actually help someone, you had to go to
the extent of spreading muck. just for the "fun" of it.

no mate, you're the sad one.

saying that though, you do know your stuff when it comes to
PC's and Windows, and making tracks in Max/MSP


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:55 [#01214534]
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thank you for actually responding to the original request.

that's all i asked for.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:56 [#01214535]
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I gave you more help than anyone else did you cheeky fucker.
:P

I can't help amusing myself if I am bored and mentally
disturbed. :D!


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214536]
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whateva


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offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214537]
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Just to make sure I was right in my assumption of how to
hide the icons it is just altering the boolean value in the
pList xml file of the application isn't it?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 20:57 [#01214538]
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hahaha

man, you just made me laugh on a day that has been my worst
this month

thank you



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offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 20:58 [#01214539]
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Shut up before I hunt you down and slash your jugulars open
for a laugh.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 21:00 [#01214543]
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that is how you can make hidden applications appear in the
dock, but to make an application disappear from the dock:

find the application file (example: iPulse.app)

ctrl-click, then choose "Show Package Contents" (because
applications on Mac OS X are actually just folders with UNIX
executables contained in them)

open the Contents folder

open the info.plist file

and add this line:

LSUIElement

and and the string value of "1"


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 21:01 [#01214546]
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Ooh. Jugulars. Neat, did you hear that on the Discovery
Channel?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-29 21:01 [#01214547]
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typo:

and and the string value of "1"

should be

and add the string value of "1"


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 21:03 [#01214548]
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That's what I meant. It is a boolean value, you can have
the string value set to 0 or not present at all, both of
which leads to the icon being visible.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-29 21:04 [#01214550]
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oh you really should become a comedienne or something.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-29 21:06 [#01214554]
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I'm not the one talking about jugulars, like you think
you're "the world's greatest intellectual". Any normal
person would just say they would cut my throat.


 


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