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recently the xlt member known as "big" viewed a video on our site entitled "adventures in stupidy". during this video there's a 4 frame clip of a goth kid kicking a pigeon. big took it upon himself to spam my board with messages about how he's going to mail PETA so they can "take action" against the site. he stated his reason as "it gives across a negative message". first i'd just like to ask mr. big who exactly is that message going to? as far as I know, children that are at the age when they're gullible and imitate things, aren't exactly an IDM crowd, and i estimate approximately 0 people under the age of 18 browse the site. secondly, i'd like to state that anyone who bases their ideology off a WMV they download from an mp3 label needs to kill themself before they even finish reading this sentence. cut the back of your knees, not your wrists, that way the paramedics can't save you. :D the reason i'm upset is that this kind of mentality represents everything that's wrong with the world today. instead of just doing the unthinkable and CLOSING THE FUCKING WINDOW, he wants to make it so nobody else can view it as well. people like this are the same kind of people that got family guy and howard stern taken off the air. you know, that attitude "if i can't enjoy it, neither can anybody else". now, normally i'd pass this off as yet another faggot not liking my website because of their own insecurities, however this presents a problem. i hate ultra-liberals almost as much as i hate ultra-conservatives. there is NO way we're going to go through the shitloads of effort to decompress already compressed video just to edit out .5 seconds. ... |
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****THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART*** i do not run this site for any personal gain. i lose both alot of money and time by running it, and it usually brings me more frustration than anything else. running an idm mp3 label does not cause bitches to suck my cock, it does not give me a fast car, OR a nice house. i'm doing it simply because i like alot of the music i hear on xltronic. IF I AT ANY POINT FEEL THAT OWNING THIS WEBSITE CAN NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE INTERNET, I WILL NOT HESITATE TO TAKE DOWN THE ENTIRE SITE IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE! that's right, big. if you email PETA, and i get hassled with something like a lawsuit, the entire site goes bye-bye. it's easier for me to just get my money back for the months i haven't used (my server is an old friend and i've already explained the situation to him) than bend over backwards to edit some video footage to please an aging liberal hippie faggot. i like running this site, i like good free music, but i am NOT dealing with those hypocritical animal rights terrorists. in the event that this happens i will also leave a single page up, one explaining the situation containing a link to big's email address. we get 150,000 hits a month. think long and carefully before you do something you'll regret for a long time. |
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thats like telling the guy who did ogrish.com that he has a bad sense of humor |
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let's just play some citar music light up the nag champa |
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big, i hope you know that Volkert vd G was an animal-extremist-leftwing idiot... |
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oh and big's email address is schackmann@hotmail.com i suggest if you are a listening/artist of aud-stim you email him and encourage him to stop sucking so much. we'll take a vote, if you like aud-stim and want it to stay on the internet type "I HATE SMELLY HIPPIES!!!" if you want PETA to have a lawsuit against me post "I AM A SMELLY HIPPIE!!!" in this thread. |
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do you really think that the PETA cares about 4 frames? |
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i mean.. why not go after www.dolphinsex.org or something (dont ask me where i got that link) |
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big is OK...maybe he was just a little shocked. There is no need for this to blow up into yet another net war. Maybe if you were to add a disclaimer stating that there are images some people may find offensive or disturbing in the video then it would stop people veiwing it if they are that way inclined. Perhaps big acted in haste and didn't think through his actions. Cockear you provide a very good service to a number of music makers on this board and I know it is fully appreciated by all of them plus the vast number of visitors to your site. This sort of thing happens occassionally, the best thing to do is try to take it with good humour and not let it effect you too much...the support you receive will always be vastly greater than the opposition. |
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I am weighing up liking Big, not liking goths kicking animals, not liking internet labels...hmmm. I could probably edit your video in the time it takes to download it and reupload it if you want though, I don't think you can decompress the compressed, so you could just clip it out. If the music is that glitchy stuff kids like, no one will notice. |
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There's no need for anything like that. It is pointless starting trouble at that level. Just try to defuse the situation in a mature and adult way. |
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...or stick a massive "Censored by BIG" splodge over the offending scene. |
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PETA won't do shit. Pidgeons are recognised as a nuisance and you're well within your rights to off them, so long as you don't torture them. Not wishing to take sides, but I really don't think peta would do squat about it. |
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I don't think you can decompress the compressed, so you could just clip it out. If the music is that glitchy stuff kids like, no one will notice. hahah! |
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yes but i have a problem with that entire mentality. it's not enough to not like something yourself, you can't let anyone else see or hear it. this is a HUGE problem in the world and needs to be discouraged immediately. |
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Your disrespect for life bothers me. If you think it's ok to harm others for your own art - then you're egoistic and wrong. If you have broken the law it's up to anyone to report it, and you should take responsability for your actions. |
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Peter will shut the motherfucker DOWN. |
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I have to admit that I am a pigeon kicker. I'm not a goth but I do enjoy kicking flying rats really hard so they can never fly again and then stomping on their little heads. Their fragile skulls make a really satisfying crunch. |
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yeah the fact that ONE of the 18 million pigeons on EVERY FUCKING BLOCK of new york city had it's ass sting for 30 seconds. "If you think it's ok to harm others for your own art - then you're egoistic and wrong. " first off, the video is ENTITLED "adventures in stupidity" it's not some black & white film school movie about lost love. it's people being stupid. the fact that I should be held responsible for some kid i haven't spoken to for a year and a half kicking a pickeon is stupid, even if you think i have an inflated egois. "If you have broken the law it's up to anyone to report it, and you should take responsability for your actions." i HAVEN'T broken the law. that why this whole thing is ridiculous. i don't know what kind of crazy policies they have in sweden, but if kicking pigeons was illegal 1/3 of new york would be in jail. |
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in conclusion, i hate you all. |
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this is still the internet right? |
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People should finally realise that humans are inherently evil and shut the fuck up already... |
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Unless you film the goth being pecked in the eye by a pigeon i will ensure your pretend record label gets shut down. |
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This is the internet ver. 1.149 soon to be ver. 1.2 |
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sometimes i want to turn into an evil doctor and destroy the world, just because it would be so much easier |
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first off, the video is ENTITLED "adventures in stupidity" it's not some black & white film school movie about lost love. it's people being stupid. the fact that I should be held responsible for some kid i haven't spoken to for a year and a half kicking a pickeon is stupid, even if you think i have an inflated egois. I didn't say you were responsible for kicking the pigeon, but you are responsible of using the videoclip. And I might aswell add that it doesn't matter what title you give the movie - the fact that somebody kicks a pigeon is still there. And in my comment I wrote "If you think it's ok to harm others for your own art - then you're egoistic and wrong.", I didn't say that you actually did hurt anyone to create art - I am just saying that you should be responsible for your actions - which is using and distributing that videoclip. i HAVEN'T broken the law. that why this whole thing is ridiculous. i don't know what kind of crazy policies they have in sweden, but if kicking pigeons was illegal 1/3 of new york would be in jail. That's my point. why are you making such a fuss over all of this if it isn't illegal (and nobody is going to press charges against you)? |
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"first i'd just like to ask mr. big who exactly is that message going to? as far as I know, children that are at the age when they're gullible and imitate things, aren't exactly an IDM crowd." Tell that to all the artists on your site imitiating Autechre. |
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keys: youd better stop mate this is gonna go >100, and its all complete bollocks better not get yer ass burnt |
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lol |
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That arguement is rediculous...by that media companies should not have shown video clips or photographs of the US troops torturing Iraq POW's. |
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If you are attempting to refer to me there you should note that I am not part of aud-stim, and as far as I know they have no autechre imitators on their site. |
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what do you mean? (please quote me) |
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dog belch, i'd like to clarify that although the phrase "message board" gives the impression that it's a place for people to share messages, nobody cares what yours are. at all. |
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I didn't say you were responsible for kicking the pigeon, but you are responsible of using the videoclip. And I might aswell add that it doesn't matter what title you give the movie - the fact that somebody kicks a pigeon is still there. And in my comment I wrote "If you think it's ok to harm others for your own art - then you're egoistic and wrong.", I didn't say that you actually did hurt anyone to create art - I am just saying that you should be responsible for your actions - which is using and distributing that videoclip. There. |
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aud:stim should stay. Ermm, that's all I can say. |
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"i don't know what kind of crazy policies they have in sweden, but if kicking pigeons was illegal 1/3 of new york would be in jail." And unless it's a migratory one from Sweden (and given Swedish citizenship) I don't think they'll extradite you for it ;D That said, I'm not a pidgeon kicker myself. They don't really bother me. |
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That arguement is rediculous...by that media companies should not have shown video clips or photographs of the US troops torturing Iraq POW's. My argument was that he was responsible for using the videoclip which is the case with media companies and everything they show in the news... yes??? why, according to my argument, should the media companies not show the US troops torturing Iraw POW's? |
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I'll kick anything that's lower than me. Especially toddlers. |
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Fuck i know it's beyond belief, but just for once someone has made a post that wasn't refering to you, I apologise. Better start another one of your "Am i not the bad boy of the electronic music message board scene?" threads. |
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Nor yours, internet label mogul. |
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It was just a documentation of stupidity or whatever; not snuff or something similar. The western people are getting hysterical over bullshit. Everything is immitatable. |
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Which video is it? I want to see. |
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I want to wank onto this thread, |
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Because they are responsible for propogating imagery of inhumane actions. I haven't actually seen the video in question here, but as far as I have been able to assertain there is no implication that the video was used to either promote pigeon kicking or make light of the situation, so I can't see how there is an arguement for censorship. |
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why not just keep a cool head, let big have his imflammatory opinion, and not get so uptight about it? think about it, no one is going to attack you for that tiny snippet. not PETA, or anyone. so maybe you'll get a few emails in protest. as opposed as i am to animal abuse, including pigeons, i don't think you have anything to worry about. |
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NEWSFLASH: Giginger arrested over "Pidgeon Snuff" charges... |
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Well, as I mentioned, there aren't really any autechre like artists on aud-stim and given that you for personal reasons obviously dislike me (probably because I am better person than you) and have made a point of having a dig at me in previous topics making reference to my autechre sounding experiments I don't think it was too wide an assumption to make. Therefore I make no apologies other than one to people who have to interact with you on a daily basis who probably wish that dog_belch kicking was a more common occurance. |
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the hate in this thread is starting to stink like ass. |
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How's your hiphop elite going bythe way? |
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Because they are responsible for propogating imagery of inhumane actions. I haven't actually seen the video in question here, but as far as I have been able to assertain there is no implication that the video was used to either promote pigeon kicking or make light of the situation, so I can't see how there is an arguement for censorship. I am really not arguing for censorship... All I am saying is that he is responsible for his actions. If enjoys watching the pigeon geting kicked and wants other people to take part in the pigeonkicking - so be it. The pigeonkicking itself is a whole other thing and I don't support it in any way... I mean I know people can get pretty irritated if nature comes close to them (and that in a way shows how fragile humans are) and try to stop nature from getting close to them - but this just seem to be kicking 'for fun'... Summary : * I am against censorship (until it gets extreme) * I am against people hurting others without a reason (art; recording the event, is not a good reason [today]) |
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