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what are the advantages and disadvantages of taking the time to download/use linux? |
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disadvantage: no programs for making music hard to use constantly crashes when trying to playback a movie if you get an error, you most likely have to recompile the whole shit generally less quality software advantage: safer from hackers. good if you're running a server. |
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Ads: it's free! Dis: can be klunky |
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there are actually programs to make music for Linux, there's just no commercial ones they're freeware/shareware apps made by independent developers |
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ok. no QUALITY programs for making music. |
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disadvantage: no programs for making music Horseshit! There's lots of trackers, wave editors and multitrack recorders. I find the big weakness is there's no one really good midi sequencer, though there are several okay ones. hard to use Well, yes. :-) Mostly it's harder to set up and it can be a bitch to install new software if you're a newbie. constantly crashes when trying to playback a movie With what player? if you get an error, you most likely have to recompile the whole shit That's completely insane. Do you even know what "compile" means? generally less quality software Yeah, there's much less commercial software because most companies like Adobe don't think it's financially worthwhile creating software for Linux, there being much fewer users than with Windows. But there are usually decent alternatives - OpenOffice is in the same ballpark as Office, though it may take a few seconds more to load. Gimp is so good it's within spitting distance of Photoshop. Mozilla Firefox on Linux is just as good as Firefox on Windows. |
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"constantly crashes when trying to playback a movie With what player?" Xine, Media Player, XMMS, whathaveyou. Every fucking player. It's also impossible to install codecs, 'cause no-one can tell you where they should be installed or how. The one my brother has is also shit for turning off the computer. It crashes instead of turning it off. I have win98 on my computer, and it hasn't crashed ONE SINGLE TIME since 1998! |
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the only reason that someone would have a flakey Linux box is if they're using the bog-standard kernel that came with their installation obviously it's gonna be flakey, because the whole POINT of Linux is that you configure and tailor the system to YOUR SPECIFIC HARDWARE. yes, That means you have to do a lot to get it to work, you have to compile a custom kernel, which works for your hardware, not the standard hardware. As soon as you compile a tailor-made kernel for your system, there's no problems. And if you're not comfortable with doing advanced stuff in Windows and DOS, then you'd better not even think of using Linux. It's not so bad nowadays, because you have Graphical User Interfaces for the installation and initial set up, but when I installed on my PC, it took me three install attempts. And I had to code the driver for my sound card myself (but that was because I had an obscure card!) Simply put, if you are expecting Linux to work straight from the box, your expectations are too high. You want something to work brilliantly out of the box with UNIX stability, go by a Mac installed with Mac OS X. You want something that will stand on it's two feet for a while, but still being a bit flakey and is susceptible to viruses and hackers, install Windows. You wanna be able to ultimately customize your operating system, so that it runs faster than hot warm shit off of a shovel, spend the time setting up a Linux system. |
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sorry, i do NOT believe you Millions of others wouldn't believe you either mate :) |
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Advantage: You can look cool when you say to people "USE LEEEEEENUCKS" Disadvantage: (see picture) |
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heheh that's cool is it from a game? |
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No, it appeared in a google image search for "LINUX MAN" |
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well.. if you'd come to my house, I could try playing back a movie on the linux computer, and then on my computer, and you'll see which one goes first. |
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have you custom compiled your kernel? if so, then you might have made an error in the compile process you can't go and say that no-one tells you where to put codecs - that's totally against the whole Linux philosophy, there is always a HOWTO document either with the codec, on your system already, or on the net. |
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must be a viking thing or something then! lol |
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this one came up in a search for "windows man" |
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my brother knows linux, and he compiled it. I asked about where to put the codecs on a forum, and I said that I was a newbie at linux. The reply I got was: "AAArh! I hate linux n00bs!" that's it. There are no helpfiles with the codec. Only one file inside the archive, which was the codec itself. On the page for it, it didn't say where to install (it says: "Use mplayer ..... More to come soon ;-) !"), and the playback-programs helpfiles didn't cover this either. |
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I almost think I can be bothered installing linux,... is there some easy online guides and stuff for it? and I can download it for free somewhere right? and I imagine games don't work through linux.. is this true? |
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hahaha! |
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linux nerds = pretentious l33tists |
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The best solution is a Dual Boot system. Best of both worlds then. |
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Yes, you do get the impression some people us it because it's not so user friendly and they can appear techy and cool. I'm not massive fan of it, but I've used it a fair bit (doing a report on it this minute actually...) and I can see the advantages of it, especially for a programmer. It's the shiznitz for forensics work too. |
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oh, and hardware stup such as video cards and soundcards isn't TOO much of a bitch is it,.. would I have to do crazy shit like assign memory allocations,.. or just specific dma kinda crap, |
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i know, there are some advantages. very user customizable too id say if you know what youre doin but them nerdy idiots piss me off |
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You can't use the most up to date hardware and only very common stuff to ensure that it's supported. Unless you want to write your own drivers. I can't so I don't think I'll be using Linux properly. |
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I'll probably be doing that,.. I got 98 on a different drive at the moment,.. just so I can easily run old dos games |
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Sweet! |
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my brother made a windows partition on the hard-drive and made it dual-bootable (to be able to watch films and shit). then he went to africa, and left the computer with me, telling me I should install windows as normal. I installed windows, and now neither of them work. the computer just goes black when I start it. If I use boot-disk (from either OS), I get "I/O error. Replace disc." |
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Your brother is evil. The answer to your peril is beyond me. I do think Dual Boot systems are good though. I plan to set one up on my new computer. |
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it's HIS computer. Why would he want to ruin it? (he has lots of important documents there... for the organization he works in...) |
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Yes that's very true. It's a good way of getting some use out of an old machine though (eg, say you have an old P200, it would actually probably be useable for a small network fileserver with the right sort of HDs and a well configured linux installation) and of course, new distributions of linux will have drivers for the old machine's h/w. Part of the major attraction of linux being that it (and software for it) is free is only really and advantage if: a) You're a business, b) You're highly ethical, or, c) You don't have broadband/dirty pirate mates. |
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I don't know. But I can probably dream up some elaborate reasons. Ceri: I'm considering setting up my old P120 as a file server just for the fun of it and so that all my music can be streamed around the house. |
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Yeah that'd be ideal. I remember as recently as two years ago a mate had a 386 as a firewall on his home network. |
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It's got a whole 1GB hard-drive! |
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I've got four. That's why I REALLY need my brothers computer... storage. I tried putting the HD into my own computer to delete what was on it, but it is a 30gb hd, and only the 10gb that was allocated to the windows-segment showed up. How do I access the linux-part? |
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I honestly do know fuck all about that. I'll help where I can but that's beyond me! |
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jesus christ man you just repartition the whole drive using fdisk in DOS that'll get rid of the linux partition also use fdisk /mbr to get rid of any remnant of the linux bootloader |
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yeh that's the reason why it's fucked mate. he obviously doesn't know much about linux, because you have to install windows FIRST, before you install linux to be able to dual boot, you need to use the linux bootloader, which is installed during linux setup. If you install windows AFTER linux installation, Windows overwrites the linux bootloader and then you can't boot to linux. i dont know how the hell you've managed to fuck up the whole master boot record, because installing windows would just overwrite the linux bootloader, and load up windows instead |
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You'd best get whittling your music collection down then, boyo! :) |
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based on my limited knowledge on the subject (I havn't even used linux and probably couldn't make it work if I tried): advantages: users of linux cooperate mutually to produce software. As far as I know some or all of the software is not copyrighted and free for others to augment. Thus linux has the potential to undergo evolution to produce very interesting things. On the other hand is microsoft, who as far as I know, purposely release flawed software so they can provide a later update you have to purchase. The main thing windows has going for it is that, since it dominated the market in history, it's practical for everyone to continue the path of using it. |
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maybe linux is an example of something that sorta lets humans behave together as one "organism", without individuals behaving selfishly, everyone pooling their knowledge together because no individual is smarter than the combined knowledge of a large group. maybe i don't know what i'm talking about. |
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just look at slashdot. there's obviously a large group of brilliant minds that back linux. |
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a friend of mine made quite a good point about the mutual cooperation on Linux (taken from another forum I visit): "Ofcoure, MS has it's shortcomings, quite a few maybe, but Linux, Unix and all these so-called 'perfect' operating systems also have shortcomings. The difference is that the open source community just steps in and fills the gaps when they are located, which of course is a faster method than Microsoft has to use, because their code is undisclosed. Open source also has a drawback, if you talk about bad programming practises, this is way of developing is the prototype for that. People have their own ways of developing, if you bring all these people together in developing an open source application, you are bound to get software that has pieces of code that are set up completely different in contrast to a more regulated project. I've seen some open source projects being executed at school, and although open source did generate working products, in some cases the code quality was less than desireable." |
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i bought the book "the connection machine" by danny hillis since "the pattern on the stone" was so helpful and insightful for me. but while the former was for laymen, the latter described complicated difficult techy stuff about the creation of ,i think, the worlds first massively parrallel computer. i couldn't fully understand much, but they had to design their own.. uh programming language or operating system or something to fit the parrallel architecture. this is all probably irrelevant but i was bored, or perhaps lonely is the right word, enough to type it and you are, amazingly, bored enough to read it. even this sentence. if you're wondering why i have no capital letters, it's because i'm typing with my left hand only. my right hand, you see is covered in brownies. |
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Hi, I've been using linux for almost 10 years. I think it's extremely easy to use. You have extremely fine grained control over your computer, and always know what's going on. There are lots of distributions these days that keep things nice for the user, like mandrake and redhat. I use debian because package installation is by far the easiest I've seen on any system. I'm a programmer, and it's exceptionally nice for developers--lots and lots of free tools and libraries instantaneously accessible. |
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I guess I can see that being a problem, but not one that isn't able to be overcome. Truly elite programmers (not 1337 haxors probably) would probably be interested in the work of other elite programmers and form their subcommunities (sort of like schematic did with music maybe) which would produce great stuff. As far as I know things like operating systems have so many lines of code that it is not possible for one person to do it, so it's necessary to pool from more amateur programmers perhaps. Then again, if a knowledgable programmer works on something with badly written code, they could simply remove it and replace it, as far as I know.. unless it's really ingrained into the program and difficult to extract. I've never even written one program so I won't be much help discussing this. I finished my brownies. |
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You can communicate to the computer using the exact same programming languages with linux right? Like c++ etc? The answer is probably obviously yes, but I'm not sure if the operating system plays much role in this. another advantage that I've read about is the wide variety of different "kernals" (versions I think) for different purposes. There's so many versions because of the code is free for anyone to modify. |
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Hi w M w C++ is my favorite language, and there's great support on linux, both for standard facilities (iostreams, stl, templates, etc.) as well as a rich collection of free third part libraries (with liberal licenses--you can write commercial and free software with them). this wasn't always the case, but basically since ISO c++98 it's really been kicking ass, and gcc 3.4 is about to come out and c++ sports much better generation with it. Not that the present situation is bad in any way. Well the nice thing about linux is that since the code is open, people use the same linux kernel on lots of machines. What they do is submit patches or maintain their own, and that way support a large variety of systems easily. On PCs everyone uses almost identical kernels--the patches people apply change relatively little. At times I have used a heavy number of modifications to the kernel, but 2.6 is pretty damned nice and I don't really do many hotrod upgrades to it. |
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Hi, It's interesting that linux needs to "support" it for it to work. For all I knew the compiler would compile it into the same machine language no matter what the opperating system was. I have a lot to learn about programming/computers etc. Linux would probably be a great environment to learn in. I'm about to get a new computer (well a used one). I'll probably use windows though when I start programming because I'm not experienced enough to use linux. I don't even know how to obtain c++. I don't remember ever seeing it for sale in compusa or something... Oh I just remember reading something briefly about which includes php perl and python as the main linux programming languages or something. |
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Hi, I few comments 1) you're a little fuzzy on the 'supporting' a language issue. What I meant was specifically referring to what you can expect from tools in linux, so it didn't have to do with the linux kernel itself. Supporting all of c++ well is hard so that's why I gave it specific mention. yes both c and c++ generate executables of the same format for linux.. 2) Linux is fun to learn. I really don't like it when people say it is difficult 3) gcc is free, and supports c++ well (like I said); it's a great way to get into the language (rather than spending a lot on tools in windows) 4) LAMP is for generating dynamic web content, and php/perl/python are the scripted languages (and the P in the acronym). |
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