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by Laura Mansfield, analyst http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/ The terrorist attack that massacred 200 of your countrymen, and injured over a thousand, was a horrific act. The world grieves with you. We all know it could have happened to our people in our countries just as easily as it happened in Madrid last Thursday. But no matter how tragic and horrible that act was, it was not a victory for the terrorists. The victory for the terrorists in Spain came on Sunday. The professed goal of the attack, according to numerous Al Qaeda communiques, was to punish Spain for its support of the United States in the war against Iraq. Sunday, in your free elections, you voted to place the communist party in power. This morning your new leadership announced that it would withdraw the Spanish troops from Iraq, and in effect abandon the coalition. Your actions proved beyond the shadow of a doubt to Al Qaeda that if they kill enough people in a mass casualty attack that they can swing the popular vote. You've proved that they can influence elections. You have just guaranteed that the United States will sustain a mass casualty terrorist action on our soil before our November elections. After all, maybe we too can be frightened into a policy of isolationalism. You probably also doomed Tony Blair's government in England to the same fate. How many will die in terror attacks in the United States and England in order for the terrorists to try and intimidate us? In 1937, your countryman Pablo Picasso created a masterpiece depicting the horrors of wars in Guernica. That same year, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain made this statement: "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will." He entered into a policy of appeasement with Germany, instead of taking a stand and drawing a line in the sands of time. The end result was that Adolf Hitler had more time to strengthen his |
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hold on power and perpetrate a holocaust not just on the Jews of Germany, but on much of Europe. At the same time, your countrymen were giving their lives in a struggle for freedom in Spain. You were not afraid in 1937. Where is the courage of 1837? The message you sent to Al Qaeda yesterday was clear. "Please don't threaten us; please don't kill our people; we'll do what you want us to do." Why are you allowing the terrorists to intimidate you now? Why do you let them win? What happened? I leave you now with the words "Asta la Vista". Call us when you need us. You will be calling; your actions in response to the Madrid terrorism attack guaranteed it. And when you call us, we will come and help. Even if Al Qaeda threatens us and attacks us. We don't let fear cower us into appeasement or surrender. That's the kind of people we are. |
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Laura Mansfield? is this some moniker by george bush? |
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"That's the kind of people we are." yeah, primitive scum... even more violence won?t solve anything. |
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what a prime example of flamebait |
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this is really scarry btw, cuz there are plenty poeple thinking like this... |
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in all honesty, i don't see how this can't be taken as an affirmation that terrorist tactics do work. |
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must have been written by an American, For me it is a victory for the Spanish people, 90% of the Country opposed the war in Iraq and they should not suffer because of the Governments actions. |
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spanish people didn't vote as they did because they are affraid. they voted like this cuz they want peace. |
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Now Al Qaeda must be thinking they can bomb the US again to get rid of George Bush if they do it a few days before the election. (of course it will never work because Diebold has rigged all the voting machines, but...) |
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(of course it will never work because Diebold has rigged all the voting machines, but...) LOL |
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you're all going to get peace in a handbag by al qaeda sooner or later |
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haha |
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well back i go and study for my exam. since obviously thats the only thing that will benefit me in the long run. tudeloo |
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wise |
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the spanish people voted like this because they will not allow the lies and manipulation of an ignorant government dictate their foreign policy. and they believe that the decisions of their government have directly led to them being targetted by terrorists and the subsequent tragedy. they will not allow their government to go unchallenged for putting the people in the firing line, so that the fatcats can profit. I think we can all learn a lot from Spain right about now... |
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Yeah, the impression I get from the news is that the Spanish people rejected the PP because they believed they were involved in a cover up, not because the bombs were planted by Al Qaeda. |
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"Revolutions in the rich, presently imperialist countries like the US are necessary to open the door to real, worldwide socialism. Without a capitalist US to crush or smother other revolutions, they will explode everywhere, like fireworks on the Fourth of July. And they will be able to move forward into shared wealth instead of being stuck at trying to equalize poverty. When you consider that the wealth of the richest three individuals on earth is greater than the combined gross national product of the 48 least developed countries (with their 600 million people), this perspective is no utopian dream, but just logical fact." feminist author Megan Cornish . |
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fyi they recovered some tapes in a trash bin where al qaeda is taking full responsibility for the attack in madrid |
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The US made Al Qaeda. They are responsible on more than one count for the bombing in Spain. I would like to hear an apology issued by Bush for their part in the bombing. |
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well, spain made america... so, it's all their own fault. ...i'm really sorry for making light of this. i'll stop now. |
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yes and the Spanish government tried desperately to put the blame on ETA. not at all because elections were so close, oh god no. |
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??????????????????wtf?????????? have u been sniffing house hold products? i suppose your too busy watching porn to make any sense of the things you say. i suppose the thousands of deaths in israel were caused by bush while he was still in his mothers womb. go make a seperate thread one called "i'm a socialist pansy who supports others to take control of a nation" come 10 years down the line when spain gov't collapses, no one here will give a shit, they'll be too busy praising there own failing govt. |
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Al Qaeda claimed responsibility on the day it occured to an Arab media station who reported it. ETA "emphatically denied" having anything to do with it. The Spanish government chose to completely ignore both of these facts and still insisted ETA played some part in it. It was a sick reaction to sad situation, similar to the email that was sent within the UK goverment after 9/11 saying that "now would be a good time to release any bad news you want buried" |
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DAMN THOSE COMMIE BASTARDS!!! |
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Like Sharon is completely guilt free. Shut the fuck up. Al Qaeda only came into existance because the US turned their back on Afghanistans and Arabs who helped the US during the cold war. Also there is supposed to be proof that shows Mossad are responsible for setting up fake Al Qaeda cells within Palastinian areas to justify attacks. |
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Oh and I didn't realise that Bush was still in his mothers womb in the mid 1980's when Al Qaeda was formed. You are one ignorant fuck you know. |
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War on Terrorism. That line is so fucking stupid ! You can't fight a war on terrorism but you can attack problems from the ground up and create a society thru real dialoge where desperate actions are no longer necesary . Its like people think having more police officers will reduce crime , when the best (proven) way is real social reforms. Stupid fucking rightwing shit that people acept cause rightwing politics is sort of housebroken and the "norm". |
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ecnadniarb "Oh and I didn't realise that Bush was still in his mothers womb in the mid 1980's when Al Qaeda was formed." terrorism in spain has dated back to the 1930's you can call them al qaeda or Abu Nidal organization (ANO) Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) Aleph (AKA) Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade Arab Revolutionary Brigades (AKA) Abu Nidal organization (ANO) Armed Islamic Group (GIA) ‘Asbat al-Ansar Aum Shinrikyo (AKA) Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) Black September (AKA) Abu Nidal organization (ANO) Dev Sol (AKA) Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) Devrimci So (AKA) Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) Egyptian Islamic Jihad (AKA) Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna (AKA) Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) Fatah Revolutionary Council (AKA) Abu Nidal organization (ANO) Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG) HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) (Movement of Holy Warriors) Hizballah (Party of God) Islamic Jihad (AKA) Hizballah (Party of God) Islamic Jihad (AKA) Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) Islamic Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine (AKA) Hizballah (Party of God) Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed) Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) Jihad Group (AKA) Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad) Kahane Chai (Kach) Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous) Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK of MKO) Muslim Iranian Student’s Society (AKA) Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK of MKO) National Council of Resistance (NCR) (AKA) Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK of MKO) its all the same to me |
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it's true that al qaeda was in part trained by the us. that was a big mistake. however to blame the islamo facist movement on the us would be foolish if you have studied history. islam has been try to counqer the world since it's inception.. spain was conquered mostly by 756 Ad and the muslims ruled at least part of it until 1492. ever heard of the ottoman empire? another powerful muslim theocracy who ruled much of europe for centuries. the attacks sadden me and the fact that the socialist are in power is also very sad.. because socailism hurts everyone in involved from job creation down to take the motivation away to work. Why are birthrates the lowest in the world in Europe/? probably becuase the goverment will take care of you from birth to death. ah well i could go on but it would probably fall on death ears. |
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Al Qaeda were obviously wrong for doing what they did, but they are a very professional organisation with a decentralised structure and the US government is very right to be afraid of them...the only problem is that you can't fight against an army that doesn't really exist. The cells are free to operate relatively autonomously, they have been given a very broad objective and good training...it is a group of people working towards an ethos rather than a physical goal, you can't fight against that. |
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ecnadniarb why dont u just pull your pands down and ask osama to stick it to you |
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The Christians are hardly historically guilt free themselves, but history is written by the 'winners'. In fact Bush himself justified his "war on terror" as a "christian duty". Also it's funny how it has only been US citizens who have this strong anti socialist view point. |
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Friend, you are embarassing your respectable conservative peers. |
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Why don't you just accept you are argueing about an issue you have fuck all real knowledge of? |
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ohh xanatos took out the embarassing yourself card. wowwie. |
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yeah, but he sure can google, copy, and paste really good. and say dirty words. |
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Word Its impossible to FIGHT them. For example i myself could go to usa and make a bomb. how could anyone stop me ? |
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The whole Spain thing just makes me feel so sick. I'm just in real shock over it quite frankly. It real is a massive example of complete cowardness. In a way I don't even want to think about it. |
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And if you are willing to use yourself as a bomb there is even less chance of people stopping you. |
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No you just want to call Spanish people spineless cowards. |
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if everyone in the world thought like you ecnadniarb. we would all be wearing turbans by now and praying on the floor to some invincible figure. |
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Again back to the stupid US attitude of "if you're not with us 100% you are against us" |
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what do you think would happen to israel if we tore our fences and walls down? i mean does any of this seep in at all? |
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Thank Christ for the States! |
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A very polarised argument here. Americans see very different things on their news, compared to Europeans. Of course both sides have different explanations for this, but I'd go with Chomsky's, anyday. Cfern: >Why are birthrates the lowest in the world in Europe I don't get whats wrong with low birthrates?? 'Analyst' Laura Mansfield: >You have just guaranteed that the United States will sustain >a mass casualty terrorist action on our soil before our >November elections. A bit alarmist surely ... Is she trying to say that Al Qaeda would not even have had the idea of attacking the US again until they noticed the results of the spanish elections?? Does Laura Mansfield believe in democracy, or not? (A rhetorical question obviously....) |
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The Palistinians are being oppressed in land they have at least equal right to. The Isreali occupation of the West Bank is an illegal occupation, however the US are willing to overlook this. There is no cast iron way the current situation could be solved, but it is damn clear that the current situation has to end, and it won't end the way it is currently being dealt with. |
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i think she was just being forthcoming as to how spains decision for party official has created a damaging state of affairs between the two countries. as a result will only intensify (or slow down) the progression of the (intelligence) war against this or any terrorist group, this has obviously created an impact globally. |
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For sure they (Al-Losers) wouldn't have expected the result they achieved but now they've got it they'll be thinking 'hell we can do this lets give some other country a go'. They wont rest until they've got as many countries under their thumb as possible. |
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I like this idea of praying to an invicible figure! All hail InviciGod! Worry about the turbans later. |
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