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Then tell me, why do people like this kind of music? Does it make you feel better wanting to be black? Or buying into a culture to which you have no natural affiliation? Explaint to me. |
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i like it if it sounds good - if they have something smart to say it's a bonus ...since this thread is about mf doom - i didn't even know he was black untill i saw his pictures. |
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Since when to you need a natural affiliation with a particular culture to enjoy their music? |
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well said my nigga! |
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word up homie. *initiates a baroque handshake session with tolstoyed* |
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I appreciate hip-hop for the music and the culture. Labeling something as "black" and writing it off without taking any time to learn about what the hip-hop culture is seems very ignorant to me. No offense ecnadniarb, but I dont agree with what you said. Are you saying that noone should go out and enjoy Kabuki theatre simply because its Japanese? Draping the label "black" over an entire artform is unfair. Plain and simple. |
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first of all, i don't thinking i'm being presumptuous when i say that an awful lot of the people here who like doom and madlib ALSO like Doseone and El-P... by which i mean... hip hop simply isn't black anymore... it's about as multicultural as genres come... the blacks can be credited with it's creation, and many of the finest hip hop albums are by black people... but it is most certainly not a genre defined by race... (in fact it's waaaay less racially homogenous than say: experimental electronic music) and in any event, we like it because a) MF Doom is the most creative mc who can still flow reasonably well b) Madlib is the best hip hop producer in the game today, and will be remembered as one of the finest producers in hip hop history.... the sound they cultivate together is entertaining, soulful, eccentric, clever, beautiful, etc. just because you don't like it doesn't mean that our reasons for liking it are completely unfounded... maybe you don't like japanese noise, but do you tell people they want to be down with the japanese because they like Merzbow and watch anime? |
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whoa you made my last point already, i wasn't really paying attention... sorry about that |
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"Labeling something as "black" and writing it off without taking any time to learn about what the hip-hop culture is seems very ignorant to me." That's an ignorant comment to make, because you have assumed that purely because I said I disliked rap that I didn't know about the culture. I think maybe you are all racist towards normal white people as well. A gang of reverse Michael Jacksons...who probably enjoy his choice of hobbies as well. |
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im a racist! i don't like my uncle and his wife 8-) |
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wouldn't you say that your assumption that we like something because we want to equate ourselves with black culture (as opposed to just liking it because we think it's good)... is just as presumptuous? |
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btw, is doseone white? |
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very, very, very white (and yes i acknowledge the hypocrisy in the way i phrased that statement in the context of this conversation) by the way Tolstoyed, what did you think of Quasimoto? |
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hmm, i didn't like the tone of his voice that much to be honest :) |
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but it took me a while to get into madvillainy, so perhaps i'll start liking quasimoto after couple more goes... |
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Yeah but I was just doing it as a wind up :D I love Hiphop and have done since my momma pooped me out of her piss tunnel. |
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are you saying you weren't born the usual way? |
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yeah, you should definitely give it a while... at first the personality of quasimoto is a little odd... but as you grow accustomed to him, he becomes very very interesting, and the beats just sound better and better... |
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you snide bastard :D ...always making me look like an overserious idiot... i'm glad i didn't post the tangent i was going to go off on, on how in on some level there is a degree of "positive racism" in certain parts aspects of our society... |
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yeah, i'll definitely try more...i thought i will never get into madvillainy as much as i did. i liked that kmd stuff a lot before i've heard madvillainy and i thought i'd never get used to it...but now when i listen to kmd again, it's like i'd be listening to something completly different - it's still great but not close to how great madvillainy is. |
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Black/white......were all gay when it comes down to it. |
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madvillainy... goddamn |
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i got the original copy today...and it's still my favourite album at the moment...i can't get enough of this. |
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have you heard operation doomsday or the unseen? |
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im not sure...i got into doom just recently...i'll check tho...i got some albums horsefsctory recomended and i'll most likely check more,starting with those two you mentioned. |
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the unseen is quasimotos lp... amazing amazing, operation doomsday is just an earlier doom lp.. amazing amazing. if you like madvillainy, you should like these... |
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both artists are amazing x2, that's for sure. however madvillainy seems to have an aweful lot of filler for being such a short album. guess i should give it more airtime. |
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i checked some quasimoto, deadeight recomeneded...could be the same album (i'll check when i get home), but i kind of didn't like the tone of his voice, i'll listen to it more ofcourse...i didn't like madviliany instantly either... btw, that track on madvilliany where quasimoto does some vocals is excellent! |
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yeah, that's what was bothering me at first...i think it complets the album now, wouldn't be the same feeling witout that "filler". |
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46 minute album. Average tracklength is 2:05. |
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that's the one. |
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but out of 22 tracks, only 6 are skits or instrumental segues. |
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i'll give it another go'round or three. |
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just like all doom, when you pay attention to his flow and understand the things he's saying it knocks you on your ass and youre hooked. |
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you mean, english speaking people have problems understanding him as well? maybe there are lyrics written on the inlay of the cd...it'd be nice. |
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yeah well, it's a lot to take in, yes... |
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And so many of what he's saying is being pulled from such obscure americana references.. i imagine that would be the hardest thing to grasp for europeans.. english speaking and non. |
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many -> much |
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The stuff I do understand is great though :D |
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ok, so; vik vaughn: Never Dead - lil' schootime viktor and his pal get pissed off because some school chums steal his videogame, so they totally flip out an kill some students and a couple of teacherish folk. then they run away to chinatown and meet up with a voodoo guy who helps them rewind time back a day so that none of it really happend. is that basically it? |
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this is sure nice to hear...i thought i was the only one having problemes understanding :) i can understand quite a lot if i only focus on what he's saying, but i don't get as much enjoyment doing that as i get from listening normally :) ah well... |
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there's lyrics on the inlay!!! |
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and an excellent anime video! featuring doom himself (animated) |
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the video for all caps is awesome... i hope there is a follow up (as the ending seems to promise) |
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"put ya sister on the phone..." |
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i can't get enough of this album and im listening to it like every day...i like every single thing on the album...im one of those listeners who always skip tracks that bore me, but i listen to this album from start to finish and totally enjoy the whole thing! excellent!!! |
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I was gonna buy this yesterday but I didn't get to the store in time and it was too late to go to the store because the store was then closed. So I downloaded it. :: feels shame :: It's so good I'm gonna buy it anyways. Mad creative fun stuff. Don't know what else to say about it yet. |
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all caps is really brilliant...currently my favourite song on the album. im turning into a hip hop monster... |
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For those who may have downloaded Madvillainy from file-sharing networks before its actual release, keep in mind that those were demos and do not represent the final product. Go out and buy it. - care of allmusic.com |
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