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i think anything that has the possibily to change the "concrete" social "norms" and forcing people to deal with the realities within a film could be considered ground breaking... kids for instance. but then again, everyone has their own perception of what "ground-breaking" means. and i dont know what Sophia Coppola's intentions were with the creation of this film. so then i ask, what was she trying to convey? |
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THAT REVIEW JUST MADE ME SO PISSED AT HOW CLOSED MINDED PEOPLE ARE ABOUT FILMS. THERE'S MORE TO FILMS THEN THE TYPICAL MOVIE LINE. EVEN IF IT WERE A TYPICAL HOLLYWOOD MOVIE EVERYONE WOULD GET PISSED CAUSE WE'RE SEEN THOUSAND OF MOVIES LIKE THIS-LOST IN TRANSLATION IS A BEAUTIFUL AND DIFFERENT FILM AND DESERVES MORE THAN THIS SHITTY FUCKING REVIEW. |
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THIS FILM WAS BITTER SWEET---YES TWO PEOPLE MEETING IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN ONLY RELATE TO EACH OTHER. AND THATS IT, JUST YOUR EVERYDAY STORY TURNED INTO A FILM, SO YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE HUMOR AND BEAUTIFUL SCENERY OF THIS FILM. AS FOR HER LAST FILM VIRGIN SUICIDES, THERE WAS REALLY NO POINT BEHIND THAT EITHER. BUT IT WAS REAL AND MADE YOU LOOK AT MOVIES A DIFFERENT WAY. DONT BE SO CLOSED MINDED WITH WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BIG SCREEN. |
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your house, I guess. |
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Sofia Coppola wrote a lot of the film based on her life. The character of John was loosely based on her ex-husband Spike Jonze. Anna Faris' character, Kelly, was supposed to be Cameron Diaz with whom Spike Jonze worked with on Being John Malkovich |
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ohh...i see, i have to move out by saturday!? deltoid, i'll reply when i get home - tho i doubt i have something smart to answer :) |
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she was trying to convey how a friendship develops between two totally different people based entirely on the one thing they have in common: loneliness. I can't think of another cinematic romance handled as maturely as this ever in a film. i think that is ground-breaking. it gives a completley fresh new perspective on the "romantic comedy," a genre of film that has been stale for a long time. |
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it wasn't romance in a classic way tho, more like when you get a feeling you knew a person for all your life even tho you just met them...you're attracted to them (not necesarily in a sexual way), you get that feeling when you can share everything with them and be totally relaxed with. it was aslo about life and how some little events can make us happy...about what does it take for someone to be happy. what life is all about... just life in general i guess |
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yeah, i especially respect the way the characters understand eachother. how they are aware that they have nothing in common except Japan. so Murray doesn't end up grossing out the audience by boning her. |
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this movie told me one thing: Monogomy DOES become monotony :þ |
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personally, i empathised with the sensation of being lost which both character had. i found the subtlety of their reaction to small, amusing events very funny. some of the social situations they found themselves in looked pretty familiar.. it was funny to see that played out on the big screen. so many "romantic comedies" are churned out by hollywood which are neither funny, nor romantic. they rely on really basic, obvious jokes + they fail to capture any aspect of (what i consider to be) love+romance. they just cheapen human emotion + turn it into some vile toothpaste-ad style fairytale. this film was both funny and emotive simply because, as is so often the case, less is more. |
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very true. deltoid, it wasn't really monotonous - there were plenty of situations to break that monotony - another thing i love about it. it doesn't just say that life sucks in general, cuz that would make film too depressing, that is why murray's humour came so much in place...to lighten it up, to show there are nice moments in life as well... it was just totally emotional film, repetiously uplifting and depressing scenes - i always enjoy a film that shakes my emotions |
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oh i was just commenting on Bill's relationship with his wife and vise-versa with Scarlett's husband i thought this movie was insinuating that he was cheating on her. |
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i don't think the reviewer is asking for titanic here. maybe it is closed minded to like any old art film just for the sake of it being arty. anyhow i find it strangely satisfying that i wasn't the only one who thought this movie was crap, even though i don't agree with every point the reviewer makes. i do agreet that the movie could have had more of a style to it than it did, and a marc jacobs ad is a great way to describe it. |
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someone knows what bill whispered in the end yet? |
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Sure. |
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He whispers "I don't think Xltronic will ever be finished." |
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I liked it. It seemed refreshing for the time. I think that after hearing a lot of rave reviews, people expected a lot more, and it wasn't supposed to deliver lots in the first place. Glad I saw it at a press screening days before the hype got out. |
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im not bothered by it really, never was, but they showed it on our national tv last night and it made some people wonder..it doesn't affect the film either way.. |
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it's really silly people are so concerned with that..there's this beautiful scene of them embracing and showiing feelings, and people notice that he whispers something and make such a big deal out of it. murray must have known it would intrigue the silly people and he probably added that on his own, most likely saying something completly irrelevant :) |
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"Sofia Coppola is the privileged daughter of Hollywood. Riding on the coattails of her legendary father, Francis Ford Coppola, she has enjoyed an automatic credibility unknown to other filmmakers of her generation. " correct me if im wrong but isnt this a YALE student? im amazed their head was out of their own ass long enough to see whatever machine they used to create this piece on... fuck yale...connecticut is the dumbest state in america...!!! |
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ps - i liked that movie pps - sofia coppola is one UGLY person |
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i've been to tokyo and the film, besides its portrayal of middle american human condition, give the feeling of what tokyo is like really well..... theres a detachment there thats pretty weird and can be felt by anyone in any big alienating city, so thats a universal theme too. Some says the characters were racist but thats waht you find there.. a sort of middle class racisim. It also reminde dme of working abroad as a programmer and the strange state you find yourself in of living in a hotel for aweek, being on your own.... and all that. Great film and squarepusher is played so its even better |
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i would imagine that only stupid people found it racist americans are so attached to their american comfort they feel detached when they visit the other side of their country, let alone one that is that different it reminded me of when i visited germany, and not being able to communicate, noton a deep level, just lacking that freedom to approach people, express yourself, and relax fully... its uncomfortable |
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I thought going to Yale made them a Yale student.... |
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A line from the review sums it up if you're in any doubt about the film, "In the end there are no memorable lines or images in "Lost in Translation."" I agree completely, in a great film, nothing is wasted, everything that doesn't in some way add to/advance the story ends up on the cutting room floor. This is where Lost In Translation falls short. So much of the dialogue/so many scenes are superfluous. However, the film isn't overly long. It's just there's nothing in it. A few vapid, smug, self-knowing lines of dialogue, a crushingly slow pace, a boring story, mediocre acting, the list of what's wrong with the film goes on and on. As AFXnumb pointed out (in the few sentences I could bring myself to skim read before the paragraphs of SHOUTING put me off), there wasn't much of a "point" to The Virgin Suicides either. Yes, but that was well executed and a decent story (even if little of consequence really happened). Films where nothing happens are not neccessarily pointless, nor are the automatically bad films (the French are known for their very well done films about not a lot). It's just that when they're bad, they're awful. A few people have tried reasoning with me that I don't "get" it and that it's very subtle. Nope, there's nothing subtle about it and no deep meaning, you're just desperately reading more into it than is there in an attempt to fill the void left by the lack of story. People do the same with Donny Darko (which was a good film, but a few people took it a bit seriously and stroked their chins for too long contemplating it). I'd say they're the ones at fault: "It must have some meaning/reason to it, I'll just look harder and infer more and more loosely until I find something." I'd love the director to come clean and say to some arse-kissing interviewer, "Nah, that bit doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean anything really, we just left it in to pad the film out a bit. Let's be honest, if we cut out the meaningless rubbish the film woul |
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everyone, ceri is ice cold!! |
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You know you're in full-on rant mode when your post is cut off and you don't even notice. :) |
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Has anyone mentioned that awesome opening shot with a cracking view of Johanssons butt? |
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the butt shot with her on the bed was mentioned in the (positive) article in my paper, it could represent the lethargy of the main characters. the first mentioned article in this thread to me is bollox, everything the author says doesnt have anything to do with the movie imo. to me the only valid point for not liking this movie is thinking it's boring, or "it's not my thing" |
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It was totally gratuitous, added nothing to the story and is the only thing I can remember in the pub other than Murray still having the pegs on his suit in the pub. Still, that doesn't make it a bad thing. ;P |
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and here was i begining to think i was the only person who thought this film sucked. it was just so.......boring, it was lifeless and empty, the characters were 1 dimensional and completely uninteresting, the storyline was non existant and the visuals were 'seen that before a million times' and, well, just completely uninteresting. i felt i'd utterly wasted my time by watching this film, the only reason i watched it until the end was because i couldn't believe it wasn't going to get any better. an instantly forgetable film |
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Duh! And shalloooow. Really, this movie is not perfect, but I can't imagine how an intelligent person can honestly say it's bad or empty. That's a serious case of bias for me. A movie which tries to make the viewer think for his own by saying little, by not showing any ready solutions is good in my book. And a director who knows how to invoke certain feelings in the viewer is a master for me. Sofia Coppola at least mastered invoking melancholy. To be honest I cringe when I notice a conversation in a movie that contains a fixed idea for the viewer to notice. That's why I hate most of Spielberg's flicks (but they have their uses for other people and are perfectly crafted, so I won't call them bad movies). To give some examples, some of the directors I find most thoughful would be Tarkovsky, Sokurov, Antonioni, Bergman. They all made movies with few words and which made you come to new conclusions by using your personal experience. If you experienced solitude, it's unlikely you find Professione: reporter utterly boring. On the other hand we have movies like Waking Life which was really embarassing. It's full of meaningful dialogue, "deep" ideas and so on. But if you really thought about these things for yourself, such movies come across as the most crass. Of course, this is really a matter of taste, but LiT was obviously good and all you can say is that it wasn't your thing. PS: Yesterday I watched Demolition Man. Stallone seemed more stupid, the visual special effects looken more lame and then I learned that the budget was 70 million $, I laughed out loud. But I loved it, I have a great sentiment for that movie. |
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I, for myself, find it better than meny Wenders' flicks. |
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I think this movie was real well done. It was a bit difficult at times but i am used to comedys and cheesey action flicks. I like how slow it was and awkward it felt at times and really let you see into the characters a bit. Scarlett gave a nice preformance and i think Bill was great. The movie was a nice little meeting between the two characters. :) |
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I thought it was great. Beautifully shot, brilliant soundtrack, hilarious scenes, Bill Murray being funny and poignant, Scarlett Johannsen's arse. Fantastic. I think these PC Yale types would rather Sofia Coppola made a film about two anti-war demonstrators that help central american orphans build a well for their village, who then fall in love and have an (ugly) lesbian relationship while building a giant paper-mache effigy of GW Bush to burn. |
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i personaly watch very few films because i can't stand most of them (maybe 4 a year or so). i understand that coppola was trying to create the atmosphere of melancholy but in my opinion she failed...instead she created an atmosphere of boredom....melancholy and boredom are similar and certainly boredom can easily lead to melancholy, but she only managed boredom by not delving deeper in to the characters. call me shallow if it makes you feel better, i know i'm not (i did film studies as part of my BA), and i know when a film is done well and when it's not. can you truthfully say you think coppola made the best of this film idea? or at the very least did something original with it? you yourself mention other directors, might they have made this film better than coppola? |
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That bit at the beginning of my post was a nerdy Futurama joke. Maybe you'll agree with me that the atmosphere "Lost in Translation" somehow resembles "Beyond the Clouds" by Wenders/Antonioni. I found BtC much more pretentious and if it wasn't for this fact I would say that the script was perfect for Antonioni. Don't ask me why, it's just a feeling. Maybe I liked the movie so much, because I found the characters really plausible. If I was in a similar situation, I'm sure I would behave like Bill Murray's character. And boredom? I think that if a movie reaches a certain standard, than whether you find boredom or melancholy in it, depends only on your experiences and your state of mind at the moment. I can't watch slow movies if I have some worries. I end up snarling "Quick, what the fuck are you trying to say?" every 5 minutes. Feel free to disagree |
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i barely read any of this thread, but the correct answer is that it is a very good film. everyone else is wrong, i'm sorry to say... |
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life aquatic is far better (hard to compare tho i admit) |
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it0s basically what everyone agreed on..except for ceri. |
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well, then. those others can get a checkmark and ceri, well... another check minus for ceri. |
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i love you kid |
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After watching this movie many times over the last couple years, I still absolutely love it. I find it comforting, intriguing, visually stunning, hillarious. It has a great soundtrack. I love everything about it. It is easily one of my all time favorite movies. |
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There is an opinion of the end scene, and what he whispers in her ear, that i agree with. It is that we are not supposed to know what he whispers, it's not even scripted. This is meant to be a private moment between the characters shared away from the prying ears of the audience. It is meant to really highlight the closeness of their relationship. It is especially important to have a scene like this to show their connection to each other and to consummate their relationship for the audience without them boning. |
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I had a LIT experience. I met a wonderful girl from New Orleans on a train. We made out for the entire trip and I left for my stop. I only exchanged an email with her since. She was so hot and an amazing kisser. |
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OMG, I said the same thing a year ago. I'm such an ass. |
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Do you have a great pickup line that you have tried many times since then on other girls but it never works quite the same? |
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i like it a lot i like watching it when im alone and it's dark out chilling out with a beer or two calms me down and i guess only people who can relate to the characters can really enjoy the film it really reminds me of being on a trip for work in a hotel, just well, cant explain it, im sure some of you know what im talking about |
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yeah, i know what you're saying. japan would be such an alien place. different language, different people, different technology. it makes me think of what my dad must feel like going to visit japan with my mom. he is a 6'4" tall white guy, literally a giant over there. If my mom weren't there, he would feel very conspicuous and alone i imagine. when i was a kid, we would visit japan and people would constantly come up to us to get a picture standing next to my huge white dad. this happened all the time. |
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