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This man. Kamel Kadri aged 38, an illegal immigrant in the UK. |
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Killed this boy. Callum John Oakford aged 9. |
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...and? |
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You're next. |
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Diss! |
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By running him over while driving a car without having a license, insurance or road tax. The judge gave him 2 years in prison. 16 months for passport offenses. 8 months for driving offenses. The CPS have now reduced his sentence by two months because the judge wasn't allowed to give him more than 6 months for killing the boy with a car. Fucking cool justice isn't it. |
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sounds more like an accident than killing. put your self in drivers situation - isn't he punished enough by knowing what he did? it's terrible, but what good would it do to anyone if he was sentenced to more years in prison? |
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Driving WITHOUT A LICENSE, INSURANCE OR ROAD TAX. |
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erm no...he drove a car without being qualified to do so. If I run around the street holding a knife out in front of myself and run into someone and kill them I would be done for murder or manslaughter at the least. This fucker, who shouldn't have been in the country, should face the same. |
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what difference does that make? this things happen even to people with license and insurance...he should never drive again tho |
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how many people you see runing around with knifes? |
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The difference is, it may not of happened if he had a license... a license shows a certain level of skill/experience. I wouldn't be allowed to attempt to fly a plane and with good reason. If I stole a plane, got it airborn and then crashed into a house killing the occupants, but surviving myself, saying, "Well, qualified pilots sometimes crash..." wouldn't be any reasonable sort of defence would it? |
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If he had had any form of driving instruction this would have most likely not have happened. He was unfit to drive a car. |
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what? You mean you don't have knife runners where you live? The point I am making is that if i carelessly transport myself around in command of a potentially lethal weapon and I should accidently kill someone then I should be dealt with as a murderer. |
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license doesn't mean anything...there are plenty of people, especially old people who should never be allowed to drive and have license - now what difference would it make to anyone if one of these people ran over that boy? i don't understand this...they should maybe just forbid driving then. if he did it intentionally or if he was drunk that would be different...what possible good would it make to anyone if he got a higher sentence? |
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Because people who drive with a license have proven they have at least basic competency while driving. If I buy a plane and accidently crash it ,because I don't know how to fly it properly, into a school packed with kids and kill all the little fuckers but I managed to parachute out before impact and survive, we should just chalk it up to experience and I should be allowed to get away with it? |
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More to the point this was someone who wasn't even meant to be in the country, never mind behind the wheel of a car. |
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i agree, lee. the point is, if he'd been following the law, there'd never have been an oppurtunity for the accident to take occur |
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forget the "take" |
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"Because people who drive with a license have proven they have at least basic competency while driving." i disagree with this completly - but that may be due to different driving schools between countries, i don't know... the thing is, it wasn't intentional - im sure if it was he'd go to prison for a much longer time...i just try and imagine myself in such situation - i was driving a lot before i turned 18 and i didn't have insurance either...this things happen so quickly, especially when kids are concerned, they're not paying attention at traffic, they run on the street without making sure it's safe, this can and does happen even to drivers with license. imo driving around schools and other areas with children should be shut down for traffic. |
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A large part of the point of sentences is as a deterent to others and a civilised form of "revenge" for the injured party (in this case, the boy's family/friends). If the guy doesn't get a serious sentance for it three things are more likely to happen: 1) A member of the boy's family will engage in some form of vigilante activity (effectively making a criminal out of someone who believes they are merely practicing justice) 2) The guy himself may continue to drive illegally when he get sout of prison. 3) Other people in a similair position will see it as a green light (no pun intended) to drive without a license. "If he only got 6 months, I'll get off scot free if I'm just caught driving without a license." |
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*vigilante activity directed at the man responsible. |
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the only point i agree with is 3. 1)i don't know why his familly would get any satisfaction out of it if the guy'd get a erious sentance...they lost their child, thats horrible enough and nothing can change that. 2)they should forbid him to drive ever and forbid him to get a license at all. they should also forbid him to enter uk ever again. 3) if you get caught driving without license you should be forbidden to ever get one. |
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1) I've seen people on TV complaining about someone who has killed a member of their family and only received a light sentence. The fact that they're pissed off about it means they're more likely to take the law into their own hands. 2 & 3) Forbidding him to drive will mean nothing. He was not permitted to drive before the incident... what makes you think he wouldn't drive without a license. |
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1) i definitely know how it is to lose someone like that, and it doesn't make you pissed at anyone cuz you're sad enough as it is...the last thing you would wan't to think about is who was responsable. but yes, there are different people so i guess someone might be pissed about it...but as far as im concerned one can get no satisfaction (??) no matter what the sentence was... 2 and 3 - he wasn't, but im sure he'll be sorry to the rest of his life he was... and as far for the other people taking this as an example of how nothing can happen to you - no one would even know about it if it wasn't for media...it isn't like this is happening every day. if he was drunk then yes, he should get a more serious sentence. i know what you mean, but i won't change my mind on this. :) |
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yeah. i have a friend who ran over a girl in a parking-lot outside a school, unintentionally. even though she didn't get hurt (he was backing, and she only got a bump and a little bit shocked), he didn't want to drive for two months after that. he's started driving again, but he drives so carefully.. always 5 - 10 km/h below the limit. and he HATES backing his car. If someone does something like this unintentionally, you can be pretty sure they feel fucked up over it! |
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Hit & run offenders should have life in a deep dark hole |
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Yeah, coz like, people with a license and insurance and who are white are TOTALLY responsible. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3472567.s tm |
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Don't start that shit, the fact of the matter he shouldn't have a) Been in the country b) Been behind the wheel of a motor vehicle Had he been law abiding this death would not have occured. And lets not forget he has a sentence of just 6 months for his crime, where as the woman in your news article got 2 years. The whole judicial system is twatted...and if anything you are just proving my original point even if I get the feeling you where sarcastically trying to turn this into a race issue. |
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is there any article about how that accident occured? |
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The world's just so unfair! |
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unfortunatly until this problems on his doorstep - he'll still preach that the world is full of white racists and no arab or black or chinese person exhibits any racism themselves or that we shouldn't "shock horror" deport this child killing illegal fuckhead - the facts are thus - callums brother saw kadri mow him down without pausing or even attempting to swerve and the only reason he was caught is because his numberplate fell off his car and he did such a piss poor attempt at hiding the cars doumentation - for 3 days he denied running the boy down |
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The fact that he was an illegal immigrant is worth considering and no, it's not making it a matter of race, the issue would be the same if he was a white illegal immigrant, from france, say. The very fact he knew he could be deported if the police found out that he was here illegally probably contributed to his decision to hit and run, I imagine his thinking was along the lines, "If I get stopped by the police they'll want my papers and they may notice my passport is dodgy" |
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so this was hit and run thing then...this is different... btw, "had his application for asylum rejected in September, 2002" , what was he still doing in the uk then? don't they take them out of the country? |
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the point is a 9 yearr old kid is dead. fuck the idiot. |
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tolstoyed i don't fully underrstand yourr stance herre to be honest. |
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crriminals should not be punished just because they feel bad about it? |
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you're not the only one. i wasn't aware of how this accident happened...now, from that articel it's quite obvious that this guy way literaly looking for something like this to happen, so yes, in this case his sentence should be more severe. i initially though he accidently hit this kid and that was it... but as the article states; the boy's mother says sentence doesnt really matter as nothing is going to bring their son back. |
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you see, you got that right. |
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I could make you think I felt sorry for some of the stuff I have done in the past...truth is I don't really give a fuck. If you ever because president, prime minister or emperor let me come and live in your country I would love it. |
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i was being sarcastic?!? |
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isnt posting those pics a bit cheap, doesnt help rationality getting people sentimental with: ooh that guy looks bad and the boy so sweet: good thing for the legal system instead of the people or this mb speaking on it |
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What |
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man big, just rread on, therre arre the facts. |
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What happened to the car???.... Yesterday your Interior minister (or something like that) said that you need force labor, and UK will accept workers from new members of Europe Union...sso, say WELCOME IMMIGRANTS!!! |
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i had read half of the post and now all i stand by what i said: the judge should rationally sentence him and not let emotion get in the way. likewise we should judge over his discission. maybe 6 months isnt high enough an sentence, but i dont know if it could be higher for such a fellony, imo its not murder, but i dont know what could be done within the law to make the sentense higher. i dont know in what state that dude was in to run after his hit. i dont feel like judging that, nor the laws of great brittain. i did however feel the urge to speak up to those photo's, im not mad, i just had to say it because it makes me feel eerie: things like that are sometimes used badly. hi |
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It is manslaughter which carries a maximum sentence of life...he should be tried as such. As for the photo's I paid my ten dollar and I am getting my moneys worth :P |
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Actually I don't think he looks evil in that picture, just serious. |
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yeah, i was just jealous of your 10 bucks i do think manslaughter would be a bit too high a sentence. what is enough, 6 years?, thats just a waste of life, he wouldnt learn anything more from it, imo. life, yes, maybe, but again waste and not appopriate because i do think he somewhere feels guilt anyway |
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