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most of them just spin and mix other peoples music, how can they say they are musicians?.. they arent.... its so pathetic, some Djs i know make their own tunes and spin their own stuff, thats totally different, but for the last 10 years its been like a wave of Djs... who the fuck cares! move over for the real musicians. I remember being in high school, so many kids were boasting about being a DJ, theyd be like "oh wow, check out my mix on this moloko track, I sped it up.. and..."... GAY. |
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ahem. djs are musicians. being a musician isn't all about playing guitar (lots of people who play instruments think that people who make music without playing instruments aren't musicians, but that is WRONG!) I would say DJ Shadow, RJD2, Aim, RZA, Dj Premiere, Ralph Myerz and such are musicians. |
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most of those you named make their own music :) |
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yep. and they are DJs. |
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That's what he meant you silly old man |
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ok, why naming those then? here's what reflex's asking " most of them just spin and mix other peoples music, how can they say they are musicians?" im gonna shut it now... |
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There are a lot of un-inventive dj's out there. There isnt much skill involved in beatmatching, actually blending the tracks with eq, and filtering, knowing how to fit certain records together, is the challenge for most house/techno dj's. I would call turntablists musicians, they play the decks like an instrument. |
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DJs are essenstial for presenting the music to the people. what's so bad about that? |
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you mean club DJs? You actually need lots of skill to beatmix! Those guys in the corner of the club don't actually call themselves musicians when playing in the club. When they are playing in the club, they are DJs in the "record-player" sense of the word, but there is so much more to djing. |
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I tend to agree Ishkur's (www.ishkur.com) view of the subject. Turntablists are musicians, people who play one record after another aren't. Simple. Of course, it's not actually that clear cut, what about people like the chemical brothers who synch a drum machine to a track playing, sometimes even soloing the drum machine. It can also be argued that the use of back cutting and looping (even if done using a CD deck with CDs rather than manually with two records), especially when combined with FX units is at least as valid a musician as a remixer. Contrary to popular belief and sadly, common practice, there is a lot of room for creativity in DJing (House DJs who simply beat mix records, which are, for the most part, within 3% pitch range of each other are largely to blame IMO). Last night I was practicing beat juggling two copies of the same record. I let the melody kick in and as they were chords held for a bar each, it was possible to play a bar at a time, whilst re-cuing the other record. The end result was an ever changing loop of the 4 initial chords, but being played in a different order- creation of a new melody. Taken to extremes like Richie Hawktin's decks EFX and 909 alubm, where sections of records used are little more than brief samples, effected and re-pitched so much as to be unrecognisable, it's more like sample based music than DJing. As an aside, I started making electronic music from ready made samples in ACiD. Most peopl would consider the end result a greater display of musicality than simply DJing. I'd disagree- DJing is combining samples together, but there is the added element of beat mixing, which in a program like Live or Acid is taken care of for you. |
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Im a club dj. I only feel satisfied with my performance if im doing something more technical,involving more than two turntables. Thats just me though, ive seen some amazing sets performed with two decks and a bunch of 12's |
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Yes, it's hard to strike the balance between tinkering enough to feel like you're earning your keep and not messing up the good bits of records :) I like doing little tricks like mixing a well known track (a) into something else (b)fairly early on in the track, then mix a remix of (a) back in as the main track, then back to (b), before going back to the original, well known version of (a) for the rest of the track. It's great to see peoples response as you're presenting something they're familair with and dancing to and then suddenly it changes to a slightly different version. Heck, even holding the pause after "beastie boys know to let the beat..." (in Intergalactic)for a bar before letting "...drop" come in has a massive effect. |
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Has anyone heard Now, Listen by DJ Food + DK? I have a new found respect for DJ'ing after that... some awesome mixes going on there. |
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Yeah! the solid steel mixes are quality. I put a lot of preparation into my sets. I re-edit a lot of tracks to add a personal element to them and use an fx unit + a drummachine, to add extra beats and bleeps or improvise over records. |
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the REAL issue is "do techno 'djs' have the right to call themselves DJ even if they don't jockey disks? most of them are KJs (keyboard-jockeys)!" |
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example of good turntablism: |
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Invisbl sktrach piklz enough said |
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no.. say more, please! what is it? |
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turntablists. The worlds best! :) Download it or buy! |
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better than x-ecutioners? that would be quite an accomplishment. how many are they? |
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I think there were 5. They were original and bigtime as fuck (does that make sense) The CD i had there were 5 Q-bert, mix master mike and i forgot who else |
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Q-bert! he's fucking awesome! |
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Q-bert is the best turntablist in the world |
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I think theres a story in the CD book about how they needed a place to get together as Q-bert got banned from the DMC compitition in the mid 90's for being too intimadating. |
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Sadly a fair number of DJs have ego problems and will say that mixing this house track and this house track is a real talent and an art form, etc etc. and those 2 tracks will be exactly the same aswell BAH! I really like hip-hop djs and anyone with the ability to scratch. That stuff is awesome!! |
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you seen the documentary "scratch?" |
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i was going to buy it but i never got around to it. The only thing currently is i have a VHS copy of the 99 DMC compitiion |
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BAM! |
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ok. you should check it out! we saw it at the vorspiel for the common concert! GREAT follow-up! if common is ever holding a concert near you, GO! |
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Do you still use AIM? I deleted MSN. Drunken- I dont like a lot of hip hop anymore but common never gets old |
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there's lots of new hip-hop worth checking out! you just got to get under the surface! |
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Yeah i was into alot of underground and local stuff. Got bland after a while. I still like 7l and esoteric, akrobatik, skitsophreniks and that jazz |
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I have an AIM account, I was just using AIM/ICQ/Yahoo with Trillion which I havent found yet to install. I did a hard drive reformat recently. :/ |
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ok cool because i added you! |
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well there must be a difference between someone who creates their own stuff on the computer (ie: reason, acid, floops and what not) or the synths, drum machines and all that fun stuff... ...there must be a difference between them and people who just spin records... I mean ive been to lots of clubs all over and most of them just play other peoples music.... thats a talent, yes I can easily see that its not very easy to just go up and do, but its not MAKING music.... |
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J00 H4V3 B33|\| Add3D!!! |
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virginpusher: whats your AIM name? |
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virginpusher |
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should have guessed.... |
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i am quite creative!! ahha :p |
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yep |
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BTW... I didnt really mean bigger names that actually make their own stuff, I thought I had made that clear... im mostly talking about just ordinary people, no one famous..... every city and town has lots of people who call them sell DJs.... but they dont make their own stuff, so in my eyes they arent actually musicians, just really good at beatmatching and playing other poeples stuff. not music artists. |
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Beatmatching is simple. Fucking simple. Any DJ who thinks they're great because they can do it is a fool! I can beat match no problem and more or less beat match anything. I can't scratch however which means I'm not a proper DJ. I just can't scratch. I'm crap at it. I've tried and I've given up. Doing stilly mixes is where my talent lies. You want Betty Boo and >[]? You're on! I wish I could scratch though. Q-Bert is God! |
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qbert is amazing yes.. indeed... ateast hes somewhat playing the instrument, not beatmatching and not playing just other records all the time. djs really can stick it in and break it off, in regards to trying to make you think they are musicians. |
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giginger: as you have trouble scratching, others will say "scratching is fucking easy!" and as you say "beatmixing is easy," others will say "fuck! i can't fucking beatmix!" i'm buying my first turntable on monday, i hope! a technics SL1210MKII! Then, I will start the long process of teaching myself beatmixing, scratching, juggling and all the other techniques! |
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yeah but if one ONLY DJS and doesnt make their own music to DJ, then they are not a musician, they are a DJ, and there is a big difference. |
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your frustrated because they, and most people, think those dj's are musicians? |
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big: nope.. not frustrated. just wanted to discuss it thats all..... I mean they obvioulsy arent musicians if they are not actually creating the beats, noises.. vocals and all that... .if they are just playing someone elses records... then they are DJS.. not musicians.. a difference there is... and that was my point of discussion |
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i know, but it would be okay to be a bit pissed about it from time to time i like being pissed about something from time to time, some people dont understand that fully though, but it's healthy so i met this guy once that had been a dj in ibiza and stuff (they called him the spanish word for rings or something because he had those on) and he was telling about his adventures into making music. he knew this great cd with hundreds of good beats that he used to put strings over or something. i didnt have much to discuss with him after that remark |
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haha |
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