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So here's my point : When someone wants to take drugs - its his own decision, his money, his health. so why should drugs be "banned" ? its a great source of money for the goverment ! and, at the end of the day - if someone would like to take some drugs - he will do it instead of anything...right ? so why dont make ALL drugs legal ? with restrictions that noone under 18, blah, blah i mean, whats the big deal ? i dont give a shit if someone wants to end like junkie - its not my life.... am i right ? |
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and i had conversation with Pulsar about it - she's thinking the same, just like few of my friend ... so discuss |
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i guess i never really thought of it that way |
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yes, it shouldn't be illegal. but then again it's ok if you keep it at home...they should cancel the half kilo limit though. |
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when someone wants to kill himself - its his own decision, his life. so when someone wants to walk naked, all the time, everywhere - its his own decision, his life. |
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its his health that other people pay for when its fucked up |
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right , its true too. i wouldnt be offended by someone naked, would you ? |
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other people ? its his life and his money too |
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you can also say that youre paying to others because they were so stupid to walk without hat in winter |
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Because if people become addicts to things like heroin or crack cocaine, there's a strong chance they will lose their job (if they had one) and end up commiting criminal acts to fund their habit. (that's generally the government/law's standpoint). Not strictly true as long term heroin addicts can function more normally than say, a full blown alcoholic. |
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who pays for the doctor and the hospital treatment? |
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i dont agree. young people, teenagers, children are very impressionable... exposing them to a culture where drugs is legal is only going to ruin their lives before they have even begun. Ive seen what happens to kids who grow up around drugs, junky parents.. theyre fucked before they could think for themselves, and then its too late. the less chance of a child/teen thinking drugs are ok, is to outlaw them completely. |
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Not to mention rehab if they decide they want to quit... |
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sorry. that was mean. i agree with you totally. i don't believe it's the role of the gov't to protect me from myself. imo: drug abuse is a victimless crime. sure, you can get fucked up and get in a wreck... so make driving while impared a crime... oh wait, it is. or, you could get wacked out on goofballs and break into some store, so make B&E a crime... done. assault... crime, neglecting children... crime, murder... crime. the fact of the matter is, that the only crime most people who use drugs commit, is actually possessing the drugs. i don't see what the big deal is either. someone can get really addicted to sex, or food, or TV, or internet messageboard, and neglect more important areas of their life... but, i certainly don't think it's the government's responsibility to use the legal system to enforce personal behavior. |
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you, we all, but theres no point for counting who is paying ...its not the issue. CERI : thats what im talking, maybe if the drugs would be legal the whole thing about "youre fired coz your addict" will end too ? |
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cocaine and heroin in partucular consumes your life so its the only thing which you live for. you turn to crime as a result of it and neglect everything else. you fail to operate as part of a society and become a selfish individual, obsessed with the next hit. laws are there to protect and to serve the masses |
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a naked hairy old man? yes, i would. |
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that's why spending money on improving the educational system is important. i wonder how much money they spend on the war on drugs? i wonder what the school system could do with that money? |
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the point is that alcohol is legalo coz the goverment have money from it. but its addictive too. so whats the deal with the drugs ? if someone is so stupid to take drugs - its his own decision, he can have infos about reasons of this, theres no point for "bannong"drugs |
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Yes, whilst it (being illegal) certainly doesn't deter everyone, the fact that it's illegal does at least put some people off. Pretty much everyone tries alcohol (in this country) at least once, largely because it's legal. If you had to drive over to the seedy side of town and buy some impure (mixed with meths) vodka of some guy in a crack house most people wouldn't bother. Consider crack being legal... can you imagine what sort of percentage of kids would try it at least once? |
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theres no law, man, if an addict wants to take drugs - he wil take it no matter how/where.... it would be great source of money for goverment Erronus : well heres the diference between us, i would just not to look at him |
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obviously the would try it coz they wopuld want it. whats th epoint ? are you tryin to tell me that kids are not trying because there is law ? ... heh |
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The pro drug camp always argue that alcohol is as bad as heroin because people who are proper alcoholics are so messed up. However, real alcoholics are a minute percentage of all the people that drink. Compare that to almost any other drug and you'll find far more users are "heavy users". Sure, some people do the odd pill or the odd tab of acid, but what sort of percentage of crack cocaine users just have a puff once a week? |
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there are countries with legal soft drugs. i wouldnt dare to say that they became nest for a criminals |
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i disagree completely. if the gov't tried to make alcohol illegal people would most definately go to seedy areas to get it. and break the law. and kill people. and steal. look at america durring prohibition as a perfect example. that's where the mob came from. and moonshiners who made liquor in stills with an inch of rust in the bottom of a tin can became rich because there was a line of people waiting to get their nasty firewater. |
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thats not the issue , ceri. all what i want to say is that when someone wants to take drugs he wil do it, and its his own decision. you were given free will/mind for making decisions, how can you forbid that ? |
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dude i dont think your seeing this from a logical point of view, alcohol isnt lethal if you have it just once, everyone gets drunk for the first time, vomits, regrets it... say drugs are legal, bunch of kids get together have a party, do a bunch of bad drugs and wow, kidney failure, or maybe brain damage or something. things are fine the way they are, if someone wants to become a junkie they do, but children can not be brought up in an environment seeing prostitutes and collapsed junkies on the sidewalks. and thats another thing, young girl gets addicted, because she's young, naive, impressionable, cant keep a job, whats she going to do? oh but too bad, she wanted it, her problem. |
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exactly if hard drugs would be legal, whole crap about gangsters would end very soon. how many people die because of drug smuggling/selling ? |
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Yes- the law (and the subsequent: difficulty in obtaining; risk/consequences of being caught; high cost and impurity of the source) does deter at least some children who'd try it. I'm not talking about soft drugs. You made a sweeping generalisation that covered all drugs. I'm responding by answering your questions as they apply to hard drugs. |
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thats why she have me, i would help her then but you cant just walk with shoes into someone's life and say "Stop! dont take drugs ! " i didnt mean children, its obvious that they shouldnt see junkies, but after 18 it ahould be legal. !. youre over 18 2. you know what drugs can do to you 3 its up to you. simple |
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ok then the same thing can be said about murder. if someone wants to kill other people, it's his own decision, his own free will. shouldn't we make murder legal too? and traffic violations, raping people. i mean people should be able to do whatever they want to without a hassle, right? |
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one of the main reasons why illegal drugs are so expensive is because they are illegal, and it's risky to make and distribute. drug prices would drop dramatically. quality of the drugs would improve dramatically. if the gov't regulated them like they do booze in the us their income would improve. and drug related crime would drop dramaticaly because the black market would disappear. how many people do you know that sell swag tobacco in alleys? the elimination of the black market would clean up places that are infested with people who are forced to turn to crime to get access to drugs. it was way easier for me to get pot in highschool than it was alcohol... because the people who sold pot didn't check IDs. |
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"if hard drugs would be legal, whole crap about gangsters would end very soon. how many people die because of drug smuggling/selling ?" As harsh as it is to say, perhaps the government see this as an advantage of it being illegal- a culling of "undesirables"... Don't think if drugs weren't around the criminal element would disapear, they'd simply focus more on burglary, forgery, prostituion etc. in short, anything that's illegal. If you want to stop there being criminals, you have to legalise everything. |
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the law has more koles that good yellow cheese form Tom&Jerry cartoon. but the goverment says nothing about alcohol AND cigarettes, coz its source of money. so, why we shouldnt make hard drugs another source ? and look of junkies on the street isnt ok, but what about drunk people ? we have a lot. would anyone say that its bad for children ? nooooooooooooo |
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i cant believe im reading some of this i really cant, thank fuck some of you arent in charge of running countries, your opinions are completely selfish, maybe your finding it a little difficult to score your drugs this week. |
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misunderstood - when someone is taking drugs he hurts only himself. thats end opf this part, right ? |
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lots of the time the reason people die from taking 'hard' drugs is because they are buying them from some slimeball behind a rave someplace. they have no idea what kind of drugs they are actually getting, or the dossage. if they're used to buying from some guy who cuts the coke so much that they're basically getting nothing, then one day someone sells them some really good shit, then yeah, they will be more likely to take too much. this problem would be greatly reduced if the gov't regulated it, and you always knew how much you were getting. if you bought your liquor from some jackass on the street, and he always sold you smirnoff in a mason jar, then one day he gave you everclear without telling you, i'd bet you'd get pretty fucking smashed that night. but, you don't worry about that happening when you go to the abc store. |
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a little advice for future : its a good taste that is tellin us when you can say youre selfish and your opinions are selfish and i think that, as long as its MY opinion, i have full right to it, and if you dont agree just say |
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was this directed at me? i rarely ever smoke pot, and never have done any of these other drugs. and i never would if they were 100% legal. |
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For the reasons teapot and I have stated. Almost everyone tries alcohol/cigarettes, quite a few use them regularly. Only a minimal number of them become "addicts" and very few of those addicts turn to crime (IE bother other people) to fund their habits. When was the last time you heard about a cigarette addict breaking into someone's house to get some stuff to sell for cigarettes? How often do alcoholics nick car stereos to pay for some purple tins? |
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so0, if all this stuff should be forbidden for children, why we allow them to drink ? alcohol is messong head too if someone is strong/wise enough he will resist drugs/alcohol heh, funny, we could cut weak part of our society with that, like in the old times when we lived in caves, hehehe |
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that's because you don't have to pay $20 a cigarette. if the gov't raises prices too high you will. |
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...And in some cases his family. And in some cases his friend. And in some cases the tax payer. And in some cases the general public. |
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the reason of stealing/breaking to others places is simle - its illegal and its hhard to get it. cure : if it would be legal there would be less stealing acts i think just talk to holland goverment - are they complainin on coffe shops ? i dare say that after rising of coffe shops, incidents with marihuana were reduced by 90% |
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...and because it's a bit easier to kick cigarettes than heroin or crack cocaine. |
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does smoking, which is very addictive is hurting my dad ? mum ? society ? you ? |
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*lol* are you high? like.. as in right now???? |
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you did see people robbing, stealing, and killing for booze in 1920's america |
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You are not into drugs are you, young man? |
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I agree with you there, one thing finishes another thing starts. |
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