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there have been lots of studies that have concluded nicotine is just as addictive, if not moreso than heroin |
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People get fired as addicts not on principle, but because they become unreliable, don't turn up to work or do their work poorly because they're getting high at lunch time. Subsequently the economy grinds to a halt and we all starve. Myopia is a wonderful thing. |
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"when someone is taking drugs he hurts only himself." not really. his addiction effects everyone around him. not only is he hurting himself, he's also hurting his family, friends. |
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and i don't do enough work because i'm busy surfing internet messageboards. but, i don't think dubya should make them illegal. i should just be fired for not working. :) |
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no im not into drugs, im not high now, i smoke weed very very rarely, like 1/half year. and its shame that i dont know english to talk to you im MY way anyway, its just an opinion. there is many thing for/against legal drugs |
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lastly, it is morally wrong to profit from the sufferring of an individual, i know the government do it in less blatent cases but its just fucking wrong. |
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Ceri, Alberto : youre too smart to talk here. please leave my thread |
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the bottom line, and the point i'm trying to make is that the war on drugs is not reducing drug use at all. it is only making criminals out of the people who do use, and focusing the government's attention & money on the wrong things. |
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it is morally wrong to profit from the sufferring of an individual so why alcohol/fags are legal ? |
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the goverment is one big fucking hypocrite that's what it is |
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i know the government do it in less blatent cases |
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Is it the general opinion here, that the health service does enough for addicts? |
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hard drugs should be kept ilegall, but what's the point in keeping soft drugs ilegall? |
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my problem is more with the educational system. |
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I personally see no problems with some stuff being legalised. Cannabis and mushrooms are very good drugs and i can see that some people would benefit from them. But i don't think Heroin and crack should be made available to the masses. How many of you have tried either crack or heroin? |
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ill agree that pot should be legalised... its not at all dangerous and its a calming drug... |
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Where do you want to draw the line? You reckon just keep coke and H illegal, but legalise everything else? Maybe just legalise pills and grass? The government do recognise that weed isn't as serious as heroin, that's why the different categories of drug carry different legal implications. |
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i agree. i don't get why cannabis is illegal. alcahol fucks you up way more, and causes more violent and chaos than cannbis ever will. and don't get me started on cigarettes, the dumbest drug there is. |
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violent = violence |
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I agree with you there. |
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Yeah, the guy who invented ecstacy still maintains that when it is made correctly the risks are minute and the benefits are huge. I have to agree, pills are the one thing that if people are on them, them effects permeate through the crowd and improve the mood for everyone. You never see fights at raves. |
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if your walking down an alleyway and theres a bunch of guys coming in the opposite way, would you rather them be : a) drunkards b) stoned potheads |
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if your walking down an alleyway and theres a bunch of guys coming in the opposite way, would you rather them be : a) drunkards b) Crack heads or townies on amphetamines. ;) |
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i might have to disagree, although i may be wrong here, but there is a lot of drugs coming in and out of where i work especially on weekend nights, there is a lot of violence and just... very horrible behavior, and these people are on something and its not usually alcohol... |
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if your walking down an alleyway and theres a bunch of guys coming in the opposite way, would you rather them be : a) drunkards b) see picture |
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if your walking down an alleyway and theres a bunch of guys coming in the opposite way, would you rather them be : a) drunkards b) IDM fans [A] - definately I think |
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babies with man-bodies! |
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Hehehehhe |
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im not really an expert, so i can't say where's the line. all i know is cannabis derivates aren't addictive and that is good enough for me. i don't know about other drugs but surely there are people who could determin what drugs are considered not-dangerous/addictive. i don't think many "new" people would use it if it was legalized cuz there's so much of it now and it is so easilly accesible everyone can get it as it is. |
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It depends how good they are really but yes i think the same thing and it's true, when we at the warp party the only bit of trouble i saw was over somebody picking up the wrong beer. |
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some thoughts: the word "drugs" is a mostly meaningless abstraction used to prejudiciously label all illicit substances. all "drugs" are not created equal. the self-destructive behavior associated with some drug use, particularly alcohol, cocaine, crystal meth, heroin, certain painkillers, etc, is not caused by the drug. the drug is used to make manifest, to facilitate self-destructive impulses. for example, some individuals are attracted to tobacco use because the health risks are so frequently reinforced. i think unrefined substances in the form of plants and simple extracts should be legal for licensed adults; ephedra, coca leaves, cannabis, coffee beans, tobacco, psychoactive mushrooms. chemically refined and synthetic substances that are harmful to the mind and body and physically addictive should remain illegal, eg crystal meth, cocaine and crack, pcp, etc. manufacturers should be dealt with in the penal system; users should receive mandatory addiction treatment and counseling to address their self-destructive impulses. chemically refined and synthetic substances that are not physically addictive but when used in excess are harmful to the body and mind should be allowed to be distributed to licensed adults, with stiff penalties for distributing these substances to minors. examples would be lsd, dmt, ketamine. psychological dependence and addiction are an individual's responsibility. you can't make human beings safe and secure by making all risky behavior illegal. there is a price to be paid for your freedom, and part of that is abuse of freedom. making murder illegal hasn't stopped murder. you cannot save every body from their own beliefs and choices, and you cannot make yourself immune to the effects of their choices. |
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Agreed. |
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what i mean to say is that human law will never provide the solution to our problems. |
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Here is the problem, when people are on certain drugs, and they don't have money to get them, they will start robbing and or killing people to get the money they need for their drugs. How would you feel if you came home to find out that your mom or sister was killed by a crack head for 20 bucks in her purse? |
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I agree with that essentially but i still think (debatbly) that ecstasy should be legal. |
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mdma would fall into this category: "chemically refined and synthetic substances that are not physically addictive but when used in excess are harmful to the body and mind should be allowed to be distributed to licensed adults, with stiff penalties for distributing these substances to minors." there are a lot of complexities attached to this discussion that obviously can't be addressed fully in a forum like this... |
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I am a drug face |
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Shut up you pretentious artfag |
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can't be bothered. |
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I have the opinion that there are some drugs that should be legal, and others that never should be. Legal List: Weed Illegal List: Everything else The farthest I would go is to say that hard drugs should be legal in the privacy of the home, but I know that not everyone is going to stay home after hitting the crack pipe. People get bored/hungry and want to go out, and that's where the problems arise. Very rarely are people caught with drugs in the privacy of their own homes (except in the case of a raid, obviously).This is not to say that I have not drank before, or done shrooms or... wait that's the extent of my drug use. I have never tried any "hard" drugs like heroin, morphine, coke, crack, meth etc, and I never plan to. It seems to me that the only real reason weed isn't illegal in the states is because there's a chance it would put the tobacco companies out of business, and the government makes so much from the tobacco industry they wouldn't want their profits to slide any.. I guess the hardcore tobacco addicts probably wouldnt quit, but if I were addicted to cigs and they made weed legal, given that it is only psychologically addictive, I would say my chances are at least slightly better with weed. But that's probably just me, because I'm the type who doesn't like to feel like other things are in control of his life. I don't understand the whole "18 age limit" that hyakusen is suggesting, either. When i turned 18 (11 months ago), I felt no different than when I was 17, and no different than when I was 16. Maturity/adulthood comes at different times for everyone. I didn't wake up on my 18th birthday and think "well, there is no nothing that can harm me anymore because I'm an ADULT!" The choices one has to make in the environment they are in determines how fast one matures, IMO. In the end, there are probably just too many differing, unchangeable views on this subject for things to ever be any different than they are now, but who knows? |
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I agree with everything you said in this post. |
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"there is now* nothing" |
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laws that are put in place in order to prevent other unlawful conduct is redundant, unnecessary, and can become oppressive. such laws include aformentioned drug laws, a foray of murder laws (murder is murder, there is no need for a law against, e.g., killing of abortion clinic staff). |
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...and many more |
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I've tried crack - Never again though! Made me act like a total prick - Never had a drug change my personality like that before... A lot of my friends have done heroin - And quite a few are still addicts, or on/off users... Alcohol and cigarretts are actually responsible for infinitely more deaths and health problems though... Talking 100's of thousands a year in the UK alone... The problem with drinking & smoking is that it's so socially acceptable in the UK, that you never even think about the health consiquenses until it's too late. There's actually a whole tonne of legal drugs in the UK, many much more wierd & warped than marijuana & ecstasy, but no one bothers using them! Basically, I think it's a big waste of tax payers money for the police to go chasing after people who want to dance all night at a club, on e, or sit around and chill out smoking weed... Sending someone to prison for using heroin or crack doesn't make much sense either... It costs something like £30,000+/year to keep them there, and it's easier to score those drugs on the inside anyway! Doesn't work as a good deterent either cos most ppl assume they won't get caught. |
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